This map shows you all you need to know about why Europe is so mad we exited Paris Accord

WVPATX

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There is no chance they can compete with us in those industries that use lots of energy. No wonder the European quality of life is lower than the U.S. Imagine paying those electric bills.

These Maps Show Just How Much More Europeans Pay For Electricity Than Americans


ANDREW FOLLETT
Energy and Science Reporter

The various nations of the European Union pay a lot more for electricity than American states do, according to an analysis of data by The Daily Caller News Foundation.

The DCNF aggregated average annual power prices from the E.U. and U.S. in 2013, the last full year of data. The average European spent 26.9 cents per kilowatt-hour on electricity, while the average American only spent 10.4 cents.


Source: Data from Eurostat 2013

Denmark and Germany were the European nations with the most expensive power, with both countries paying roughly 39 cents per kilowatt-hour due to intense fiscal support for green energy.

Power prices are so absurdly high in both countries that cutbacks have already been made. Denmark’s new government pledged to reduce the amount of money it spends on “green” energy by 67 percent in December and Germany plans to abandon the construction of new wind power plants by 2019.

Europe’s lowest power prices were concentrated in the East. Serbia and Macedonia had Europe’s cheapest electricity, paying only 8.1 and 10 cents per kilowatt-hour respectively. Europe’s cheapest power is comparable to the average American electricity price.


Source: Data From Energy Information Administration 2013

The priciest power in America’s lower 48 was in Connecticut and New York, which pay a mere 15.7 and 15.4 cents per kilowatt-hour. Both states are members of a voluntary cap-and-trade program and offer financial support to wind and solar power. Washington state and Wyoming had America’s cheapest electricity, paying 7.1 and 7.55 center per kilowatt-hour respectively.

“For years, European countries have forced a transition from reliable, affordable electricity sources like nuclear and coal to unreliable, expensive sources like wind and solar,” Travis Fisher, an economist at the Institute for Energy Research, told The Daily Caller News Foundation. “The only thing they have to show for it is skyrocketing electricity prices and struggling economies. In fact, the average German pays three times more for electricity than the average American, due in large part to Germany’s top-down ‘Energiewende’ or ‘energy transition.'”

Green energy subsidies and mandates have greatly increased the price of electricity throughout Germany. The government has mandated that the nuclear reactors be replaced with wind or solar power, but the estimated cost of doing so is over $1.1 trillion.

“The U.S. risks heading down a similar path with policies like EPA’s carbon rule, which would further shut down dozens of gigawatts of coal-fired power plants — on top of previous EPA rules that have already started us on that path,” Fisher continued. “The terrible results from the European approach to electricity policy should serve as a warning for U.S. policymakers, but instead the Obama administration continues to use Europe as a blueprint for policy in the U.S. The impacts could not be clearer: the forced “greening” of our power grid will make electricity costs soar, and those higher costs will ripple throughout the economy as they have in Europe.”

Even European Union nations where power is relatively cheap pay a lot more for power than any U.S. state. Great Britain, for example, pays an average of 54 percent more for electricity than Americans paid last year. Much of the expense comes from expensive subsidies for green energy, which account for roughly 7 percent of British energy bills, according to government study released last July.

“Sadly, we know higher electricity costs have a disproportionate impact on the poor and middle class who spend a higher percentage of their income on energy,” Fisher concluded.” The last thing Americans need right now is a ‘second rent,’ as Germans have taken to calling their electricity bills.”

Most analysts agree rising residential electricity prices are also harmful to American households. Pricey power disproportionately hurts poorer families and other lower-income groups as the poor tend to spend a higher proportion of their incomes on “basic needs” like power, so any increase in prices hits them the hardest.

As essential goods like electricity becomes more expensive, the cost of producing goods and services that use electricity increases, effectively raising the price of almost everything. The higher prices are ultimately paid for by consumers, not industries.
 

TN EER

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There is no chance they can compete with us in those industries that use lots of energy. No wonder the European quality of life is lower than the U.S. Imagine paying those electric bills.

These Maps Show Just How Much More Europeans Pay For Electricity Than Americans


ANDREW FOLLETT
Energy and Science Reporter

The various nations of the European Union pay a lot more for electricity than American states do, according to an analysis of data by The Daily Caller News Foundation.

The DCNF aggregated average annual power prices from the E.U. and U.S. in 2013, the last full year of data. The average European spent 26.9 cents per kilowatt-hour on electricity, while the average American only spent 10.4 cents.


Source: Data from Eurostat 2013

Denmark and Germany were the European nations with the most expensive power, with both countries paying roughly 39 cents per kilowatt-hour due to intense fiscal support for green energy.

Power prices are so absurdly high in both countries that cutbacks have already been made. Denmark’s new government pledged to reduce the amount of money it spends on “green” energy by 67 percent in December and Germany plans to abandon the construction of new wind power plants by 2019.

Europe’s lowest power prices were concentrated in the East. Serbia and Macedonia had Europe’s cheapest electricity, paying only 8.1 and 10 cents per kilowatt-hour respectively. Europe’s cheapest power is comparable to the average American electricity price.


Source: Data From Energy Information Administration 2013

The priciest power in America’s lower 48 was in Connecticut and New York, which pay a mere 15.7 and 15.4 cents per kilowatt-hour. Both states are members of a voluntary cap-and-trade program and offer financial support to wind and solar power. Washington state and Wyoming had America’s cheapest electricity, paying 7.1 and 7.55 center per kilowatt-hour respectively.

“For years, European countries have forced a transition from reliable, affordable electricity sources like nuclear and coal to unreliable, expensive sources like wind and solar,” Travis Fisher, an economist at the Institute for Energy Research, told The Daily Caller News Foundation. “The only thing they have to show for it is skyrocketing electricity prices and struggling economies. In fact, the average German pays three times more for electricity than the average American, due in large part to Germany’s top-down ‘Energiewende’ or ‘energy transition.'”

Green energy subsidies and mandates have greatly increased the price of electricity throughout Germany. The government has mandated that the nuclear reactors be replaced with wind or solar power, but the estimated cost of doing so is over $1.1 trillion.

“The U.S. risks heading down a similar path with policies like EPA’s carbon rule, which would further shut down dozens of gigawatts of coal-fired power plants — on top of previous EPA rules that have already started us on that path,” Fisher continued. “The terrible results from the European approach to electricity policy should serve as a warning for U.S. policymakers, but instead the Obama administration continues to use Europe as a blueprint for policy in the U.S. The impacts could not be clearer: the forced “greening” of our power grid will make electricity costs soar, and those higher costs will ripple throughout the economy as they have in Europe.”

Even European Union nations where power is relatively cheap pay a lot more for power than any U.S. state. Great Britain, for example, pays an average of 54 percent more for electricity than Americans paid last year. Much of the expense comes from expensive subsidies for green energy, which account for roughly 7 percent of British energy bills, according to government study released last July.

“Sadly, we know higher electricity costs have a disproportionate impact on the poor and middle class who spend a higher percentage of their income on energy,” Fisher concluded.” The last thing Americans need right now is a ‘second rent,’ as Germans have taken to calling their electricity bills.”

Most analysts agree rising residential electricity prices are also harmful to American households. Pricey power disproportionately hurts poorer families and other lower-income groups as the poor tend to spend a higher proportion of their incomes on “basic needs” like power, so any increase in prices hits them the hardest.

As essential goods like electricity becomes more expensive, the cost of producing goods and services that use electricity increases, effectively raising the price of almost everything. The higher prices are ultimately paid for by consumers, not industries.
I track that for our plant. We have been under 7 cents per KWH all year.
 

WVPATX

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I track that for our plant. We have been under 7 cents per KWH all year.

What an enormous competitive advantage over Europe, Japan and other competitors. No wonder Markel is pissed. First, it hurts her economy. Secondly, since the U.S. won't be paying up, Germany will be expected to help pick up the slack. Double whammy.
 

torontoeers

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Go on and wax poetic some more about how 'European quality of life is lower than the US' Pax! I could use a good laugh...how many weeks holiday do you get per anum? The overwhelming majority of Americans have themselves some reliable healthcare in crisis....ie: All of them? Quality affordable daycare for children? Ah ****....provide some Con thinktank link now to support your statement in some backassward way...
 

WVPATX

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Go on and wax poetic some more about how 'European quality of life is lower than the US' Pax! I could use a good laugh...how many weeks holiday do you get per anum? The overwhelming majority of Americans have themselves some reliable healthcare in crisis....ie: All of them? Quality affordable daycare for children? Ah ****....provide some Con thinktank link now to support your statement in some backassward way...

Are you still mad because you live in a small, insignificant country? LOL. I love Canada but your businesses are going to become less and less competitive over time if they are high users of energy. I could easily see businesses moving south of your border to take advantage to taxes and energy costs. Good luck.
 

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Shocker, dominos soon to start falling. Huge win for those who feel American jobs, economy, and interests should supersede those of the rest of the world.
 

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Go on and wax poetic some more about how 'European quality of life is lower than the US' Pax! I could use a good laugh...how many weeks holiday do you get per anum? The overwhelming majority of Americans have themselves some reliable healthcare in crisis....ie: All of them? Quality affordable daycare for children? Ah ****....provide some Con thinktank link now to support your statement in some backassward way...

Quality of life is subjective, the caged and neutered Eurocucks don't know what freedom is so they don't know what they're missing.
 

torontoeers

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Are you still mad because you live in a small, insignificant country? LOL. I love Canada but your businesses are going to become less and less competitive over time if they are high users of energy. I could easily see businesses moving south of your border to take advantage to taxes and energy costs. Good luck.
Mad? Lol....good grief...
 

WVPATX

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Mad? Lol....good grief...

No, I was actually joking. I really do like Canada. But this deal will make Canada less competitive as your energy costs rise. As you know, Canadian taxes are already high. People and companies vote with their feet.
 

torontoeers

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No, I was actually joking. I really do like Canada. But this deal will make Canada less competitive as your energy costs rise. As you know, Canadian taxes are already high. People and companies vote with their feet.
And I will gladly pay them so long as those in power dont get too comfortable...I am unconcerned about companies coming or going...it ebbs and flows like the wind. This will be no different....
 

dave

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Both coal and gas stand to keep europe buying electric fuel from us for a long time.
 

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Go on and wax poetic some more about how 'European quality of life is lower than the US' Pax! I could use a good laugh...how many weeks holiday do you get per anum? The overwhelming majority of Americans have themselves some reliable healthcare in crisis....ie: All of them? Quality affordable daycare for children? Ah ****....provide some Con thinktank link now to support your statement in some backassward way...
I don't know what you'd be laughing about. It's a fact. I used to live in Germany.
 

atlkvb

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What an enormous competitive advantage over Europe, Japan and other competitors. No wonder Markel is pissed. First, it hurts her economy. Secondly, since the U.S. won't be paying up, Germany will be expected to help pick up the slack. Double whammy.

This is another reason the Left doesn't want us becoming energy independent. With our abundant supplies of cheap energy, we can lap Europe and even sell them our surplus suddenly making them energy "dependent" on us if they can ever hope to pay their staggering energy bills.
 

WVPATX

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This is another reason the Left doesn't want us becoming energy independent. With our abundant supplies of cheap energy, we can lap Europe and even sell them our surplus suddenly making them energy "dependent" on us if they can ever hope to pay their staggering energy bills.

Europe's second big problem is nat gas. They get most of it from Russia. Not good. To diversify, they need U.S. LNG. Huge opportunity for our LNG industry.
 

atlkvb

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Europe's second big problem is nat gas. They get most of it from Russia. Not good. To diversify, they need U.S. LNG. Huge opportunity for our LNG industry.

Remember most of those EU nations are run by a bunch of Leftist Socialist types anyway, so the thought of them having to come to the "evil Capitalist US" for something as basic as cheap energy makes most of them want to gag anyway.

I'm glad that map you posted shows how fvcked they are over energy, it's of their own making insisting on all of the environmental crap they've imposed on themselves trying to "go green" and prevent the planet from "warming" up.

Give me a break.
 

WVPATX

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Remember most of those EU nations are run by a bunch of Leftist Socialist types anyway, so the thought of them having to come to the "evil Capitalist US" for something as basic as cheap energy makes most of them want to gag anyway.

I'm glad that map you posted shows how fvcked they are over energy, it's of their own making insisting on all of the environmental crap they've imposed on themselves trying to "go green" and prevent the planet from "warming" up.

Give me a break.

The German auto industry is already complaining that they cannot remain competitive now that the U.S. has pulled out. Every country in the Paris Accord that have businesses that rely heavily on energy will be at a significant disadvantage. I hope and pray that the rest of the European and Asian countries stay in and comply. Jobs, jobs, jobs for the U.S.
 

atlkvb

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The German auto industry is already complaining that they cannot remain competitive now that the U.S. has pulled out. Every country in the Paris Accord that have businesses that rely heavily on energy will be at a significant disadvantage. I hope and pray that the rest of the European and Asian countries stay in and comply. Jobs, jobs, jobs for the U.S.

Agreed!

Let 'em choke on their own stifling regulations and STILL have so called "unacceptable" air quality while we're burning cheap coal cleanly and fracking them right the Hell out of business.
 

dave

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Europe's second big problem is nat gas. They get most of it from Russia. Not good. To diversify, they need U.S. LNG. Huge opportunity for our LNG industry.
Already a huge boom for the US. We can drill, pipeline, filter, liquefy and ship gas for 40% than they can get it elsewhere. There is a huge pipeline in process to move gas from pa to baltimore to convert to LNG and ship. We have a long term deal with Sweden.
 

Snow Sled Baby

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There is no chance they can compete with us in those industries that use lots of energy. No wonder the European quality of life is lower than the U.S. Imagine paying those electric bills.

These Maps Show Just How Much More Europeans Pay For Electricity Than Americans


ANDREW FOLLETT
Energy and Science Reporter

The various nations of the European Union pay a lot more for electricity than American states do, according to an analysis of data by The Daily Caller News Foundation.

The DCNF aggregated average annual power prices from the E.U. and U.S. in 2013, the last full year of data. The average European spent 26.9 cents per kilowatt-hour on electricity, while the average American only spent 10.4 cents.


Source: Data from Eurostat 2013

Denmark and Germany were the European nations with the most expensive power, with both countries paying roughly 39 cents per kilowatt-hour due to intense fiscal support for green energy.

Power prices are so absurdly high in both countries that cutbacks have already been made. Denmark’s new government pledged to reduce the amount of money it spends on “green” energy by 67 percent in December and Germany plans to abandon the construction of new wind power plants by 2019.

Europe’s lowest power prices were concentrated in the East. Serbia and Macedonia had Europe’s cheapest electricity, paying only 8.1 and 10 cents per kilowatt-hour respectively. Europe’s cheapest power is comparable to the average American electricity price.


Source: Data From Energy Information Administration 2013

The priciest power in America’s lower 48 was in Connecticut and New York, which pay a mere 15.7 and 15.4 cents per kilowatt-hour. Both states are members of a voluntary cap-and-trade program and offer financial support to wind and solar power. Washington state and Wyoming had America’s cheapest electricity, paying 7.1 and 7.55 center per kilowatt-hour respectively.

“For years, European countries have forced a transition from reliable, affordable electricity sources like nuclear and coal to unreliable, expensive sources like wind and solar,” Travis Fisher, an economist at the Institute for Energy Research, told The Daily Caller News Foundation. “The only thing they have to show for it is skyrocketing electricity prices and struggling economies. In fact, the average German pays three times more for electricity than the average American, due in large part to Germany’s top-down ‘Energiewende’ or ‘energy transition.'”

Green energy subsidies and mandates have greatly increased the price of electricity throughout Germany. The government has mandated that the nuclear reactors be replaced with wind or solar power, but the estimated cost of doing so is over $1.1 trillion.

“The U.S. risks heading down a similar path with policies like EPA’s carbon rule, which would further shut down dozens of gigawatts of coal-fired power plants — on top of previous EPA rules that have already started us on that path,” Fisher continued. “The terrible results from the European approach to electricity policy should serve as a warning for U.S. policymakers, but instead the Obama administration continues to use Europe as a blueprint for policy in the U.S. The impacts could not be clearer: the forced “greening” of our power grid will make electricity costs soar, and those higher costs will ripple throughout the economy as they have in Europe.”

Even European Union nations where power is relatively cheap pay a lot more for power than any U.S. state. Great Britain, for example, pays an average of 54 percent more for electricity than Americans paid last year. Much of the expense comes from expensive subsidies for green energy, which account for roughly 7 percent of British energy bills, according to government study released last July.

“Sadly, we know higher electricity costs have a disproportionate impact on the poor and middle class who spend a higher percentage of their income on energy,” Fisher concluded.” The last thing Americans need right now is a ‘second rent,’ as Germans have taken to calling their electricity bills.”

Most analysts agree rising residential electricity prices are also harmful to American households. Pricey power disproportionately hurts poorer families and other lower-income groups as the poor tend to spend a higher proportion of their incomes on “basic needs” like power, so any increase in prices hits them the hardest.

As essential goods like electricity becomes more expensive, the cost of producing goods and services that use electricity increases, effectively raising the price of almost everything. The higher prices are ultimately paid for by consumers, not industries.
if you keep publishing the truth like this there will be massive suicides amongst the progressives.......publish on my brother
 

atlkvb

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Already a huge boom for the US. We can drill, pipeline, filter, liquefy and ship gas for 40% than they can get it elsewhere. There is a huge pipeline in process to move gas from pa to baltimore to convert to LNG and ship. We have a long term deal with Sweden.

Truth be told this is why they hate us so much. They're Socialists, we're opposite them on the free market Capitalist side and even after we "bury" them in Nikita Khrushchev fashion they will still insist we somehow cheated by exploiting poorer nations.

They'll say or do anything except admit that massive central planning and income & wealth redistribution through Government bureaucracies doesn't work.