This sums up the current state of college athletics….

[olblue]

And who makes up the NCAA? Administrators from the very schools that make up its membership. Very few know little more than how to schmooze in order to raise money. There is an old saying in the oil patch that if you want to find oil, drill where they’ve found it before. And that’s how most college administrators go about it.

Until the real business people get involved in the day-to-day (and you are seeing it at some schools), it will continue to be the wild-wild west. generating entertainment and revenue despite itself.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

This is something I strongly agree with. I have posted it multiple times those same sentiments. However it is something that I don't see a path to change. As long as it's every man for himself, there won't be any significant changes made to right the ship.

 

[BTCMoonBoy]

Yep the same nuts that say men can compete with women are trying to kill toxic masculine sports

 

[Dawgzilla2]

Mars just throws out "non employee collective bargaining" as though that is some type of instant solution and not just a magic wish.

Non employee collective bargaining has no legal status right now. It could be accomplished with a lot of work, but would still likely require Congressional action to avoid anti trust violations.

And right now, why would the athletes be interested? Maybe athletes in the lower profile sports, but the football and basketball players are makingva ton of money in the current system.

 

[paindonthurt]

And who makes up the NCAA? Administrators from the very schools that make up its membership. Very few know little more than how to schmooze in order to raise money. There is an old saying in the oil patch that if you want to find oil, drill where they’ve found it before. And that’s how most college administrators go about it.

Until the real business people get involved in the day-to-day (and you are seeing it at some schools), it will continue to be the wild-wild west. generating entertainment and revenue despite itself.

I’m not an attorney but I blame it on greed. AND EVERYONE IS GUILTY. EVERYONE 17ING ONE.

players
Coaches
Schools
Fans

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Just make Saban the commissioner of the P4 for football.

 

[Ranchdawg]

Just make Saban the commissioner of the P4 for football.

Put the greediest of them all in charge????

 

[thekimmer]

Quote: "I know one way to keep lawyers out of the picture: don’t have college sports overseen by an organization whose business model depends on engaging in continuous illegal conduct."

This comment misses the point. The issue isn't who's in charge. The issue is a multi-billion dollar business that rose up out of an amateur sports league and trying to maintain the farce of amateurism. That naturally leads to rampant illegality and corruption. The only way to 'fix it' at this point is to fully embrace making at least some sports into professional leagues with rules around compensation and a mechanism to level the playing field such as an amateur draft.

 

[onewoof]

The system is indeed broken when the single most egotistical narcissist maniac leaves the game and gets on TV to continue to feed his ego

 

[mstateglfr]

Quote: "I know one way to keep lawyers out of the picture: don’t have college sports overseen by an organization whose business model depends on engaging in continuous illegal conduct."

This comment misses the point. The issue isn't who's in charge. The issue is a multi-billion dollar business that rose up out of an amateur sports league and trying to maintain the farce of amateurism. That naturally leads to rampant illegality and corruption. The only way to 'fix it' at this point is to fully embrace making at least some sports into professional leagues with rules around compensation and a mechanism to level the playing field such as an amateur draft.

The point he was making in his tweet was that lawyers aren't to blame for where we are right now.
And you may dislike or disagree with his suggested solution, but I also don't think his suggested solution misses the point.

- Mars' quote that you cite says the issue is that the current business model is faulty because it requires illegal conduct for it to operate.
- You criticize him, state that the current business model needs to change because it is faulty and doesn't work, and suggest changes to the business model that would in part address the illegal conduct Mars mentions.


Seems like you are on the same page as Mars, just not the same paragraph. You both recognize the current system is broken and you both recognize the NCAA wont(cant) fix what is broken.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

This comment misses the point. The issue isn't who's in charge. The issue is a multi-billion dollar business that rose up out of an amateur sports league and trying to maintain the farce of amateurism. That naturally leads to rampant illegality and corruption. The only way to 'fix it' at this point is to fully embrace making at least some sports into professional leagues with rules around compensation and a mechanism to level the playing field such as an amateur draft.

I see so many want to kill amateurism. Why? It doesn't have to be a professional league unless you make it one. Amateurism is the only thing that still makes it tolerable.

As long as the NCAA maintains its ability to enforce eligibility limits (and I do think that will ultimately stand, except maybe JUCO), and fans/donors continue to want to fund it, I don't really see an issue. It's not what I want but I do not want another pro football league, and neither do you.

Collective bargaining is not the way. I thought this whole rev share deal was supposed to end all the worry anyway? Now you're starting to see that the big schools with go to even deeper depths than imagined. There's literally no way to stop that.

Most of the angst, from our fanbase, comes from the idea that we can't compete.

 

[mstateglfr]

Yep the same nuts that say men can compete with women are trying to kill toxic masculine sports

What now?...who exactly is trying to kill 'masculine sports'? Like list actual names instead of posting a general claim.
Its worth saying that whoever you name(if you even try), they are doing a terrible job. College football and college basketball are both still wildly popular and profitable, and there is no justifiable reason to think masculine sports are being killed off.

Also, Mars isnt discussing the current state of college sports as it relates to trans-athletes.
He is obviously referring to the current state of college sports as it relates to the BUSINESS MODEL- payment to athletes, years eligible, collective bargaining, NIL, restricting earnings, etc etc etc.


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[BTCMoonBoy]

What now?...who exactly is trying to kill 'masculine sports'? Like list actual names instead of posting a general claim.
Its worth saying that whoever you name(if you even try), they are doing a terrible job. College football and college basketball are both still wildly popular and profitable, and there is no justifiable reason to think masculine sports are being killed off.

Also, Mars isnt discussing the current state of college sports as it relates to trans-athletes.
He is obviously referring to the current state of college sports as it relates to the BUSINESS MODEL- payment to athletes, years eligible, collective bargaining, NIL, restricting earnings, etc etc etc.


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DYO17R!!! You can start with the knight commission

 

[mstateglfr]

DYO17R!!! You can start with the knight commission

So an organization that has no ability to create rules for college athletics and exists to help ensure academic standards are emphasized in college athletics, is one of the groups that is trying to kill masculine sports?

You provided no support to your claim. It isn't my responsibility to find info to support your claim.

This is dumb. Next time, just make a less insane claim.