That's not the argument. Of course K is open to criticism and explanation. But you don't have any idea with regards to Marshall and whether it helped his development or not.
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That's not the argument. Of course K is open to criticism and explanation. But you don't have any idea with regards to Marshall and whether it helped his development or not.
Someone answer this question, why is Plumlee playing better this year than he did last year and the year before when we had no true Center? If Plumlee would have played this well when we had Hood and Parker Duke doesn't lose to Mercer. You want to know my answer? I think Plumlee is playing better because he actually gets playing time. He knows that he can make a mistake or two and he doesn't have to look over his shoulder to see if Coack K is taking him out the game. When Jeter and Obi take the court they are under so much pressure because they know if they make one mistake they are coming right back to the bench. Show me a game were either played a 5 minute stretch. They have to play perfect ball to stay on the court.
I would love to see this lineup for a 5 minute stretch Plumlee, Jetter, Ingram, Allen, Kennard
I would love to see this lineup for a 5 minute stretch Plumlee, Jetter, Ingram, Allen, Kennard
I'm in the camp of being in favor of giving Jeter and Obi minutes here and there just to help Plumlee and Ingram with rest, but I'm not about to say either would flourish with more playing time. Obi is out of shape and looks lost on the court. Jeter is just straight struggling against ACC players. He either fouls on defense or turns it over on offense. Classic example of a big guy who has skills, but needs to gain muscle and reset his skills for the college game. He'll get there but its not happening this year.
Why are we so scared to say, yes, playing time and development go hand and hand! And yes, it gives kids confidence. Jimmy Butler, Ish Smith, Kennedy Meeks, Derek Willis, etc... these guys were given a chance, and now they are producing. And the chance came with an 'open' opportunity to make mistakes.
So what Williams was his first! Josh decided to 'showcase' Williams, K didn't. He did not have to! Josh got Williams to the league quicker than K. FACT!
williams would have had an increased role if he would have returned in 2010, but i like the results...at memphis he was the man and able to be showcased....here he would have had nolan/singler/jon to contend with....
IMHO, I think part of the reason kids chose DUKE, is to compete against the very best day in and day out (in practice), they push each other to be better. These practices are where coaches evaluate their talents and see where they fit in when it comes to game day. I think Coach K is doing what he feels is best for this team based of practice. I'm in the opinion that Coach K has evaluated each and every kid on this team and knows the strengths and weakness of each. And Yeah I'm talkin' bout practice.. LOL
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Meaningless info most likely but Duke's last 3 NC's had a transfer sitting on the bench only allowed to practice. What I'm saying is, we need to get a transfer for next year to help out with practice!
Pastner had no other choice to showcase Williams. Their team wasn't very good. That's why they missed the NCAA Tournament. And there's no way of knowing whether or not Elliot would have been showcased at Duke. He wasn't here. Besides....while Elliot was playing in the NIT with Memphis, Duke was making a march to their fourth national championship.
If Williams sole intent was to get to the league fast(est), get a guaranteed contract and then play basketball in the D league for a handful of years he was successful. Good job, Pastner.
And lots of guys given a "chance", as you like to say, are no further along now then they were prior. I get what you're saying....it's just not that easy as you think.
Elliot's concern was not a NT. It was the NBA. What he does when he's there is on him. And no, K does not showcase players like other coaches.
Jabari Parker, Justise Winslow, Jahlil Okafor, and soon Brandon Ingram, say hello. And that's in just the last three years.
K doesn't showcase players the way other coaches do. He does it better when that player is ready and/or has the capability to be showcased. Look at his track record with one and done talent, and seniors that wait their turn.
Williams obviously wanted to be in the nba fast. The talent in front of williams his freshmen and sophomore years may not have allowed that
The term 'showcase' alludes to the idea the player is getting ready to immediately leave, so he will be the focal point of the program. I've only seen that two times in the last 18 years, Elton Brand and Oak. Deng, Austin, Parker, Hood, Just, Kyrie, or any other who left after a year or two, was not given immediate priority at Duke, the closes way may J-Will after 2001. Just because you are a lottery pick or assumed first rounder, Coach K did not give you free reign. Again, only Elton and Oak had that opportunity.
Without a doubt, the folks at Memphis were going to showcase him and prepare him for the league.
Some may disagree with that statement. But I respect and agree with what you are saying, especially in the privilege and entitled society we live in.
That is what many have been saying for years. Duke did not afford Williams the opportunity to get to the league with first round money if he stayed one or two years. YES, his mom was sick, not up for debate.
No, no, no, no, NO!!1! There is not one single freakin' sane person of any credibility in the entire freakin' world who thinks success happens STRICTLY because of RANDOM privilege -- ie, 100% unadulterated luck. You are straight-up trolling just to hear yourself type with that kind of inanity.
EDIT: Considering how far off-base I have found you to be in every post I've noticed, I suspect you're talking about people of color receiving public assistance in that last bit, that "privilege and entitled" bit, as opposed to spoiled brats of my complexion, and holy mackerel, they don't make big enough font for me to rip into you about that.
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Uh, yeah, that last bit most definitely has been up for debate in two ways, one directly and one in a secondary way: First, when he briefly considered schools that were technically closer but still several hours away, some thought that indicated it was a sham reason, like he had to live at home within walking distance of his school or else. Secondly, and in a more around-about way, to think that "getting to the league" has any place next to "mom has cancer" is a complete insult to the latter. That's like saying that a person who saved a baby from a fire did so in part b/c it was a good way of getting attention. It's like questioning a mourner at a funeral about whether every single last tear they shed was sincere, or if they maybe kept it going for a few extra seconds.
The story of his transfer should begin and end w/ his mom's cancer. Anything beyond that starts to whittle away at the significance of that in a nearly sociopathic way.
There is no trolling here, just a difference of opinion which I stand on. I respect your position, but I disagree.
Getting to the 'league' would help the family financially. It was part of the reason he left.
When we're talking about facts, there can't be a difference of opinion. When you have an "opinion" that conflicts w/ fact, you're just wrong. When you dig your heels in over it, you're a troll, a fool, or both.
I repeat: No sane, credible person believes success is 100% random and arbitrary. To assert that you have an opinion that others have an opinion to the contrary, and to think that isn't condemned to the servants' folding card table in the Jim Crow pantry during Thanksgiving dinner is ludicrous. I have no respect for that disgusting level of ignorance.
I have to agree with Adm015, if we had made Okafor sit the bench all last year, Plumlee would be better this season. This thread, wow. Truth of the matter is , there will be slumps through the years, but if you look at the overall body of work K has done, it just amazes me how fans can second guess the man. Next season, when we are absolutely DESTROYING teams, you won't even remember this little slump. This season is not over. K is not done. Hang tough Blue Crew.
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Show I will be shocked if this VERY WELL RESTED team does not come out ready to play Tuesday nite!!