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WVU now has a 2 game win streak over TCU and Texas Tech.

Last year beat TCU 104-96 (3OT)

Big 12 playoffs beat Texas Tech 79-74

The Tech win on March 14, 2019 gave us our 14th win of the season.

This year our 14th win came against TCU January 14th, 2020.

 
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Should be a good year for WVU on the court. The Big 12 is not what it used to be with a big drop off from team 4 to team 5 this year. Anything can happen, but WVU should be heavily favored in 4 games against KSU and ISU. Same, but to a lesser degree for home tilts against OSU, OU, and Texas. Very winnable games at UT, OU, and TCU. Tough games left include Baylor x2, home vs KU, and @TTU. I think WVU can reasonably get 10 more wins with that slate barring injury and less than 7 would be underperforming.
 
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The Bell Tolls for Thee said:
Should be a good year for WVU on the court. The Big 12 is not what it used to be with a big drop off from team 4 to team 5 this year. Anything can happen, but WVU should be heavily favored in 4 games against KSU and ISU. Same, but to a lesser degree for home tilts against OSU, OU, and Texas. Very winnable games at UT, OU, and TCU. Tough games left include Baylor x2, home vs KU, and @TTU. I think WVU can reasonably get 10 more wins with that slate barring injury and less than 7 would be underperforming.
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At the top it isn't.

Plus defensively the conference is much better than I have ever seen it.

Those Big East games weren't important and truthfully the Big 12 would love the Big East to be back where it should be.
No reason for the B1G or ACC to be a Northeast Conference.
 
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TownesVanZandt said:
Matters the bracket like I have always said.
That matters with pretty much any team. Just more important when you aren't a #1 or #2 seed.
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I could see Texas as a 1 or a 2. Home games till you go to New York. Could be a deep run for you guys in the NIT this year. Your OC is too weak for you to make the dance with less than 10 wins in the league this year. I just don't see Texas getting to 10 wins this year.
 
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TownesVanZandt said:
At the top it isn't.

Plus defensively the conference is much better than I have ever seen it.

Those Big East games weren't important and truthfully the Big 12 would love the Big East to be back where it should be.
No reason for the B1G or ACC to be a Northeast Conference.
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While the toxic structure of the Big east needed to be eliminated and a split made to form an All-Sports league, much as the American became, the old Big East was a good conference.

When it lost Miami, there was every reason to think it had lost something irreplaceable, but mention Miami now and everyone born after 1990 will ask, WHO?

But, as much as the neither the ACC or the Big Ten needed to be a northeast conference, the Big East had no reason to be a southeast conference. USF and Miami were not needed. All the ACC really wanted was Miami and we should have stemmed the raid at that point. Had we done so and added a few schools to offset what was believed to be a big loss back then:

Boston College
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Louisville
Pitt
Rutgers
Syracuse
VT
WVU

I dislike super conferences and think 9 is the perfect number. In football 4 home and 4 away every year. In basketball you get home and away with everyone for 16 games out of 24 leaving 8 for the warm up.

If you think the football marquee is weak, well you get 4 OOC games to beef up that SOS. It would have been no SEC but it would have been a fans league because we would have had history and the ability to travel to most of the games.
 
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The old Big East was a fantastic basketball league! And, with Miami, a good football conference.
But everything evolves. I'm just forever grateful to Oliver Luck for finding a safe haven for WVU in the Big 12 when the conference realignment hit. Big 12 football and basketball as a package is about as good as any other conference, maybe even with the Big 10. SEC good in football, not in basketball. Pac-12, bad in everything. ACC good in basketball, bad in football once you get past Clemson. Big 12 and probably Big 10 the best football-basketball pairings in the Power 5.
 
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Kansas is still a top 5 or 6 team when Dotson is healthy, Baylor and if we can remember how to shoot that's 3 teams that are easily of the 10 best in the country. Tech is a young but talented team. If THAT is not what you used to be, then how amazing were you before? There are a couple teams that record wise are weaker than the conference is used to seeing, usually 9 teams at least are legit tourney teams of 10, but WVU winning doesnt mean the conference is down. We're not winning games because the big 12 is suddenly weak, we're winning because we're dam good. How's the lame arsed overrated ACC look? Florida St. Ahead of us they couldnt even beat sPitt, Duke and Austin Pee, I can spend an hour going through all the ridiculous losses of some teams in the big 10, who suddenly look good once they hit conference play, hmmm. It gets old every time were a conference title contender the first responses are, well this would be a year we could try cause everybody else is down
 
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WVU becoming a basketball school.Truthfully think they have potential under Huggins to win a NC as one.
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We had a line on a football NC and basketball NC within 3 years of each other. We didn't get it done.

If you want to build a legacy program its opportunities like those that you cant let slip.

....our best players got hurt in both games, what are the odds.

Somewhere there is an alternative universe where WVU pulled through.
 
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We had a line on a football NC and basketball NC within 3 years of each other. We didn't get it done.

If you want to build a legacy program its opportunities like those that you cant let slip.

....our best players got hurt in both games, what are the odds.

Somewhere there is an alternative universe where WVU pulled through.
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While true, WVU was all but beat in the Final Four before Butler got hurt. I'd wager with how lights out Duke was that night and our suprising lack of efficiency on the glass, WVU still loses handily even if Butler doesn't get hurt.

The football team was an injury issue, but more of a management issue. Pat injured his thumb and Pitt sold out to stop the run. They put 9 in the box on 3 reciever sets against the Mountaineers, just giving us easy throws. Similar to how in basketball WVU sold out in the Elite 8 to take away Kentucky's strength. We knew they couldn't shoot 3's and just left that open all game to keep their dribble drive and low post game in check. Pitt did the same thing in 2007. Issue with the football team is if Pat could throw, RR was too stubborn or scared to let him. If he couldn't, RR was too scared or stubborn to put Jarrett Brown in to take advantage of the easy throws Pitt was giving up. Unlike the last 8 years where a starter with one arm, one leg and half dead was better than the back up, we actually had a competent backup that was easily good enough to beat Pitt that year.

Ultimately the football debacle was on the coach as it was clearly the superior team and was definitely superior to Ohio State or Missouri that year had WVU made the championship game. The basketball team was good, but an upstart. Duke was at least as good, but in my opinion a better, of a team compared to WVU. Hence even if coached and played to perfection, WVU could still lose to Duke. No way if WVU plays to its potential on the gridiron in 2007 in the Brawl and post season does WVU not take home the hardware
 
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The # of NC caliber football programs is getting smaller.

Some schools can jump into that group based on bringing in the right players.

For WVU they have to be the #1 school in the DMV.
Bringing in those top 300 players there.
Having a Top 15 class.to start.
 
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The Bell Tolls for Thee said:
Ultimately the football debacle was on the coach as it was clearly the superior team and was definitely superior to Ohio State or Missouri that year had WVU made the championship game. The basketball team was good, but an upstart. Duke was at least as good, but in my opinion a better, of a team compared to WVU. Hence even if coached and played to perfection, WVU could still lose to Duke. No way if WVU plays to its potential on the gridiron in 2007 in the Brawl and post season does WVU not take home the hardware
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Homer take with no facts to support it in bold above. I would have loved for tOSU to have played WVU instead of LSU, a great team when it finally got healthy, as WVU wouldn't have been able to stop Beanie Wells, just like it couldn't stop Shady McCoy, and Pat White, unlike Matt Flynn, was incapable of throwing the ball down the field with accuracy. Of course, this is all speculation, as we know what happened, and if ifs and buts were candy and nuts....
 
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After 4 games WVU 3-1 in Big 12

After 4 games last season in Big 12 WVU 0-4

Did not get 3rd conference win last season until Feb. 26th vs TCU
 
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Last year's season fell to pieces at K State.

K State is hungry and needs a win. They started conference play down last year and then made their comeback on WVU.
 
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They have to match your size.

Their guards can cause issues but to beat WVU you need to put athletic bigs on the court that can establish the paint.

Very few teams can.
But WVU isn't a complete team yet.
 
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TownesVanZandt said:
They have to match your size.

Their guards can cause issues but to beat WVU you need to put athletic bigs on the court that can establish the paint.

Very few teams can.
But WVU isn't a complete team yet.
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Not sure there are any complete teams this year. But being a top 10 or even a top 5 team in Mid January is not a bad place to be. A lot better than being a bubble team for NIT.
 
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Not sure there are any complete teams this year. But being a top 10 or even a top 5 team in Mid January is not a bad place to be. A lot better than being a bubble team for NIT.
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But only team you can say that about in the Big 12 is Baylor. They should be undefeated if they didn't have issues in Alaska.

The rest have things to figure out.
Ohio State really thought they were good before they played you.

Teams that can match up in the paint have the advantage because in most cases they are stronger on the perimeter.

Huggins is trying to build his team to match KU.
Matters how much Oscar and Culver develop by the end of the year. I don't think they can get better than the bigs for Kansas.

Plus Baylor looks better than both.
 
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But only team you can say that about in the Big 12 is Baylor. They should be undefeated if they didn't have issues in Alaska.

The rest have things to figure out.
Ohio State really thought they were good before they played you.

Teams that can match up in the paint have the advantage because in most cases they are stronger on the perimeter.

Huggins is trying to build his team to match KU.
Matters how much Oscar and Culver develop by the end of the year. I don't think they can get better than the bigs for Kansas.

Plus Baylor looks better than both.
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We will see.
 
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We will see.
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Tech is going to have a size issue with KU as well.
Chris Beard should have known and get their big ready.

I expect Tech to be prepared when they play you again.
Plus need to get Ramsey more in the role of creator instead of Chris Clarke.
Clarke doesn't shoot so he will never be great enough to beat great to elite teams most of the time.
 
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TownesVanZandt said:
But only team you can say that about in the Big 12 is Baylor. They should be undefeated if they didn't have issues in Alaska.

The rest have things to figure out.
Ohio State really thought they were good before they played you.

Teams that can match up in the paint have the advantage because in most cases they are stronger on the perimeter.

Huggins is trying to build his team to match KU.
Matters how much Oscar and Culver develop by the end of the year. I don't think they can get better than the bigs for Kansas.

Plus Baylor looks better than both.
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The difference is the improvements of each team. Baylor and Kansas started the year as elite teams. WVU has gotten a lot better week to week as these players meld into a cohesive unit. They are already the best defensive team in the country. Where will they be in March? Remember a couple of months ago you said Culver could not guard on the perimeter? He is guarding guards out there. You have established that you really do not know much about basketball. Enjoy Texas's deep run in the NIT if you make it in.
 
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Culver hasn't really been the difference.

Very simple to see who the difference is this year from last
There are three of them.

You are talking as if WVU is in the running for a 1 or 2 seed.

Baylor as of right now is the only one who should be confident.
No one else because everyone else has things they need to fix. Including Kansas a team who still beat you.
 
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The only ranking that matters is the NCAA and they have us in the top 8. Kenpom is #4 and RPI is #1. Almost everyone has WVU as a 1 or a 2. No one has UT in the dance.
 
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WVUALLEN said:
WVU now has a 2 game win streak over TCU and Texas Tech.

Last year beat TCU 104-96 (3OT)

Big 12 playoffs beat Texas Tech 79-74

The Tech win on March 14, 2019 gave us our 14th win of the season.

This year our 14th win came against TCU January 14th, 2020.

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