Thornton vs Hinsdale South
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HS size and speed will be a factor in this game especially if it's a cold night. Can the thornton smaller guys take the pounding the will get from trying to tackle Curry, can they cover HS big receiver and the HS defense swarming around. Needless to say we will have to wait and see.
Sounds like a ringing objective endorsement for hs.
What day is this game played on?
That running back from Thornton has serious top end speed, once he hits it no one is catching him. I think depth will be the eventual undoing of Thornton but I like them in Harvey on the grass.
From watching a few Thornton games on hudl, I agree they are a big play , explosive offense. Not sure how they respond when they have to sustain drives and move chains.
South has a very balanced attack. They can hurt you with the pass or run. They can move the chains with singles and doubles, or hit the home run. This may be most complete offense Thornton has seen all season.
So game likely to come down to who's defense does better against other team's offense.
IMO, slight edge to South.
Maxpreps has game listed at 7pm on Friday.
With the South offense garnering most of the attention this year, King has had a pretty good year. He is quietly doing all that you expect of a top DE. I suspect he will have a major impact on this game. He will be hard to handle. Particularly, since Thornton O-line does not appear to be very big.
Thornton's QB Taylor has an outstanding arm and has been throwing for a pretty high completion percentage.
Depending on the weather they may surprise people through the air.
Of course, then you need to worry about the HS pass rush, but Taylor is pretty mobile and can throw on the run.
Depending on the weather they may surprise people through the air.
Of course, then you need to worry about the HS pass rush, but Taylor is pretty mobile and can throw on the run.
Never been so excited to go to Harvey, IL before in my life.
This will be a game to go see, can't wait for it. I'm going with Hinsdale South 42-28 in this game. Thornton may have speed, but South can match that speed as well. Turnovers...whoever forces the most turnovers in this game wins.
This will be a game to go see, can't wait for it. I'm going with Hinsdale South 42-28 in this game. Thornton may have speed, but South can match that speed as well. Turnovers...whoever forces the most turnovers in this game wins.
Oh, I know. It's where I'm going to get my pregame meal and post game drinks. Nothing but class over here.
I'm pretty pumped. Nervous too, Thornton is a damn good team. It's a shame one of these teams has to get bounced in the 1st round.
This is the consequence of the loss to WB. Although HS ended up winning conference, I knew that game would result in a lower seed and a tough 1st round opponent.
Oh well, now just get it done.
Yeah, we're on the same page with that. If they get past Thornton, they'll play (and beat) Oak Forest. Then Lincoln Way North and then SHG. I want SHG. One game at a time though. Out of any of the teams I just named, Thornton scares me the most.
That loss to WB killed them but hey it's play ball or go home and I think they will be fine in this game.
Yes, one game at a time, Thornton can be scary if they get loose on you (particularly, outside). Our defense (i.e. LBs) has to play a disciplined game and don't over pursue on the run. Thornton likes to throw the screen to back leaking out on backside. Their back has hit a few home run off of this. Otherwise, they try to beat you on the edge.
Hornet,
As a person who has seen Thornton live 2x (against LWW and LWN), here is my take (which is worth nothing).
Obvious: as it has been said many times, the Thornton team speed is very good. The LWW D1 linebacker with great speed was outclassed. Branch from LWN who has serious speed was matched.
Not so Obvious: Thornton QB can throw as well as run. If you play the run, he will burn you and his receivers possess great speed as well. They are not a one dimensional team.
Also not so obvious: Thornton D-Line is big and Linebackers and D-backs have speed. Between the 20's they can be beat. Both LWW and LWN moved the ball on them but inside the Redzone they are really tough. The aforementioned combination is really tough near the end zone and both LWW and LWN had multiple first and goals inside the 10 and did not score. (So did Bradley)
Key stats: HS played better competition in GW and HC but failed to beat them. They also lost to Willowbrook. HS did not beat a team with a winning record. Thornton beat Bradley, LWW and Morgan Park.
Final Opinion. Don't know much about HS but the key to Thornton is do they self destruct. They almost lost to LWW because they had 4 TD's called back due to penalty which got LWW back in the game. Only a late interception saved them. Against LWN they had 4 turnovers, many giving LWN a shorter field to work with. Even then, they still had a chance to tie with a two point conversion with a minute left in the game. No penalties or turnovers in those games, Thornton wins both easily. Thornton does not self destruct, they win somewhat easily. Thornton does, advantage goes to HS.
Bad,
Good assessment. I did not mean to imply that Thornton was a one dimensional team. It is clear on the film they can throw the ball. Just appears they prefer to run it and use their short passing game as an extension of run game.
As for pass defense, in general I think we should be OK. This is where our size and speed should help us. Not only in pass defense, but also against the run as well. Both corners and safety are big and fast. Fast enough, we shall see.
As for SOS. Yes, no wins over a team with winning record as you pointed out. However, you can only play the scheudle you have. HS went into 4th quarter with leads over both GBW (one of favs in 7A) and HC. GBW game go away from HS after a 1 and goal fumble from well inside 5 yard line. GBW recovered and drove 99 yards for a TD and followed that with a pick 6. Lost in OT to HC. Despite not winning either of those games, these 2 games show the level South is capable of playing at. Make no mistake about it, GBW and HC are 2 of the most physical teams you will run into. South more than held their own.The WB game was a complete team let down after the lightening cancelled game previous night.
If you gonna lose games, I think these 3 games will ultimately help HS more than they hurt in the playoffs. Furthermore, I think HS destroys MP and BB (based on film), and probably beat LWW in a close game. I suspect Thornton would lose to GBW and HC, and beat WB. So if 2 teams changed schedules, they probably get similar results and are still possibly looking at each other in 1st round.
Hornet,
If you feel my assessment of the HS matchup with Thornton was good, why do you have to get defensive and throw out hypotheticals as a response. My statement that HS did not beat a winning team is a fact. My statement that Thornton beat (3) playoff teams is a fact. This was not an attack at you or HS, it was part of my analysis. I even stated the HS schedule included better competition such as GBW and HC (though their last loss was ugly). Did you have get defensive and go to HS would destroy MP, BB and beat LWW if they played Thornton's schedule - can't be proven. To say that Thornton would have at best the same results on the HS schedule - can't be proven. If you had simply stated HS played two very good teams like HC and GBW very competitively and the team can use that experience to prepare for Thornton and they will not be intimidated, I can certainly accept that but to demean Thornton and the conference they play in with hypotheticals does not bring useful analysis to the debate. HS has enough positives to stand up on their own without throwing out hypotheticals (fake situations that can't be proven). Leave that to the hypothetical experts like Ramblin!
On a more positive note, I may join you in Harvey on Friday (I assume you are going) as LWW is playing on Saturday. This game will go a long way in giving the SWSR credibility which they don't seem to get on this board.
If you feel my assessment of the HS matchup with Thornton was good, why do you have to get defensive and throw out hypotheticals as a response. My statement that HS did not beat a winning team is a fact. My statement that Thornton beat (3) playoff teams is a fact. This was not an attack at you or HS, it was part of my analysis. I even stated the HS schedule included better competition such as GBW and HC (though their last loss was ugly). Did you have get defensive and go to HS would destroy MP, BB and beat LWW if they played Thornton's schedule - can't be proven. To say that Thornton would have at best the same results on the HS schedule - can't be proven. If you had simply stated HS played two very good teams like HC and GBW very competitively and the team can use that experience to prepare for Thornton and they will not be intimidated, I can certainly accept that but to demean Thornton and the conference they play in with hypotheticals does not bring useful analysis to the debate. HS has enough positives to stand up on their own without throwing out hypotheticals (fake situations that can't be proven). Leave that to the hypothetical experts like Ramblin!
On a more positive note, I may join you in Harvey on Friday (I assume you are going) as LWW is playing on Saturday. This game will go a long way in giving the SWSR credibility which they don't seem to get on this board.
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Bad,
I gave my assessment as additional thoughts to your comments. Not sure how you conclude that I disrespected Thornton or your conference with my hypotheticals. They were intended to illustrate my view that these 2 teams are evenly matched. In other words, if they switched schedules we probably end up right where we are. If you think that IMO GBW and HC would have probably beat Thornton is disrespect, not seeing that. These are 2 highly ranked 7a/8a teams (non conference opponents). I think you are reading too much into my post. You seem to disregard all comments on the challenges I see Thornton presenting HS. Trust, I know they are a very good team.
I could analyze this game until the cows come home (that's what fans do on message boards), but I'll leave it there.
Wow, talk about reading into something to much. Settle down, you took his post completely the wrong way.
Be careful what you wish for. If HSHS had a hard time with Willowbrook's spread offense, imagine what SHG's offense could do. I think, unfortunately, HSHS has a brutal path with Thornton, LWN, and SHG. Kudos to them though for being the only team to represent the Gold in the playoffs.
Oh I know, trust me, SHG is a beast. That wasn't a dig at all, have to be careful on message boards. I just "want them" because they are the best, that's all I really meant. Should have clarified. Nice little shot at the end to, well played my friend, well played.
To be honest, I'm more afraid of Thornton than SHG, a lot more afraid. They are scary good, very scary good. Just to get by them would be great. Friday is gonna be a game to see, pumped about it.
IMO, this is the toughest game to pick in the 1st round. Plus, whoever wins this game would be favored against probably Oak Forest. Either of these teams could make a long run, which makes picking it correctly all the more important. If I'm LWN, I would not want to face Thronton a second time, but HS is the type of team that can beat anyone in 6A. Then again, LWN may not get by Richards in the second round. This quad is by far the toughest road to the semis in 6A. And then the survivor probably gets to face SHG.
Is Morgan Park any good? They kept it relatively close week one against Thornton but have they played anyone else that's good?
I see they got smoked by MC, who is not up to the typical MC standard. I don't think MP is near the caliber of LWN, Richards, Thornton or HS.
Dean, if you look at the Maxpreps site for Lemont you will see they already show a game scheduled for 11/13 against LWN.
I hope this information makes your decision easier.
After careful analysis (while drinking coffee at Starbucks), if HS stays focused for all 4 quarters, they win by 14. I'll spare everyone all the analysis.
Not sure where Maxpreps got that, but Lemont would not meet LWN (assuming they both make it that far) until the semifinals, scheduled for 11/21/15.
The only thing I know for sure regarding the southern 6A bracket is that Centennial, Chatham Glenwood, Rock Island, Quincy and SHG will NOT make it to the semis. The other teams are still in play as of this date.