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Anything HK is more expensive than it needs to be.
ha, that's true. Maybe it's their name on the receiver that has improved the value of my Benelli M1?

VP9 is a busy looking striker pistol. But I will check one out soon. Attraction is to the Glock, but mainly to the Gen 5. They've got ambidextrous slide releases now. Precise reason I liked the FNS to begin with. I shoot left a lot. Right handed, more comfortable shooting right. Left eye dominant, much better results shooting left.
 
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When you buy with the blue label program, find the prices online first. Some stores that do it charge more than the listed blue label price by $20-40. So a little shopping around may save even more money.
 

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ha, that's true. Maybe it's their name on the receiver that has improved the value of my Benelli M1?

VP9 is a busy looking striker pistol. But I will check one out soon. Attraction is to the Glock, but mainly to the Gen 5. They've got ambidextrous slide releases now. Precise reason I liked the FNS to begin with. I shoot left a lot. Right handed, more comfortable shooting right. Left eye dominant, much better results shooting left.


Shoot, I know that feeling. I’m left eye dominant myself.
 

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Just to drum up some discussion....


With the new Ky law that allows constitutional carry going into effect now, what does everyone carry? How do you carry it? And why that location?
 

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Just to drum up some discussion....


With the new Ky law that allows constitutional carry going into effect now, what does everyone carry? How do you carry it? And why that location?
When is it effective? I'm curious how the law will be "enforced" or otherwise "allowed". Says KY citizens who may legally own may carry concealed.

Okay, that's great. But when a cop finds someone with a concealed weapon without a permit what is he going to do? Let him go on his merry way because of constitutional carry law? Or is he going to take his weapon away from him because he has no way of knowing if he is legally allowed to own?

And in the latter of those two conditions, which is likely, is the cop even going to bother to run a background check to find out? Is that even his job?

Okay . . . let's say you're going to carry proof of purchase around with you, to indicate you are the original buyer, sufficient evidence that a background check was conducted at time of purchase. But the cop can say that he has no way of knowing if you haven't committed a crime since then, particularly since he is a law enforcement officer in Kentucky, where background checks are repeated monthly for concealed permit holders for that very reason.
 

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July 1st is the start date.

Though, you always have been able to open carry.


I've had my CCW license for a long time, so it doesn't bother me.
 
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Plus, the ccdw class is/was a joke. It doesn't really train you or prepare you to conceal. Only makes sure you have a basic understanding of the law and can use a firearm in the most basic sense.
It's a fairly decent way to screen out the mentally dysfunctional, emotional misfits maybe. Meant to be a waste of time for the prepared and capable. Be happy about that.
 

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It's a fairly decent way to screen out the mentally dysfunctional, emotional misfits maybe. Meant to be a waste of time for the prepared and capable. Be happy about that.

Possibly, but what stops them the most is the background check/cost of the permit. Not the actual class. Either way, not having a permit isnt going to stop a crazy person from doing it anyway.


The new law is one of those changes I am conflicted about. I see both sides for and against it as having valid reasons for their beliefs. I'm also a ccdw holder and former ccdw instructor.

I still suggest people take the class just to bypass the background check when buying a firearm, other states reciprocity, etc...
 
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Plus, the ccdw class is/was a joke. It doesn't really train you or prepare you to conceal. Only makes sure you have a basic understanding of the law and can use a firearm in the most basic sense.


I think the class was great and did exactly what it was designed to do.....which is teach you the law and to discuss situations. It's a class to teach you licensure.

If you want to be trained, take a training course. In fact, take many.
 

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Possibly, but what stops them the most is the background check/cost of the permit. Not the actual class. Either way, not having a permit isnt going to stop a crazy person from doing it anyway.


The new law is one of those changes I am conflicted about. I see both sides for and against it as having valid reasons for their beliefs. I'm also a ccdw holder and former ccdw instructor.

I still suggest people take the class just to bypass the background check when buying a firearm, other states reciprocity, etc...


Here's how I feel about the new law:
1. Is it a step towards bolstering the 2nd amendment? Yup, great job.....more freedom.

2. Are more criminals going to conceal carry more under the new law? Nope. Criminals gonna do what they do....

3. Should you still get a CCW? Yup. It's good to know what the law is and to discuss situations.......plus reciprocity.

4. Also, I'm huge on states' rights. So, any time the state makes a decision that affects it's citizens positively, I love it.
 

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So while we’re on the subject what do you carry and how do you do it?


I’ll start

Ultra light - S&W 638 .38sp Galco kydex.

Light - Glock 43. +2 base plate. Ameriglo Spartans. Talon Grips. Trigger polished. Multiholster kydex. Sometimes throws in extra mag or 2.

Medium - either Glock 19 (custom from Mod 1) or Glock 23. The 19 is loaded. The 23 has Hackathorn sights, Talon Grips, and a trigger system from Glocktriggers. And mags if needed. Alien Gear holster fits both.

Large - I usually don’t conceal large frames but I have multiple to choose from if needed. 17, XDm, 1911


I usually always carry IWB at about the 400-4:30 position.

I also rotate knives from Kershaw and Spyderco. I also have a tiger stripe ZT so that I can pretend to be Gibbs from NCIS.
 
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Possibly, but what stops them the most is the background check/cost of the permit. Not the actual class. Either way, not having a permit isnt going to stop a crazy person from doing it anyway.


The new law is one of those changes I am conflicted about. I see both sides for and against it as having valid reasons for their beliefs. I'm also a ccdw holder and former ccdw instructor.

I still suggest people take the class just to bypass the background check when buying a firearm, other states reciprocity, etc...
Interesting . . . I'm completely opposed to the law. I'm completely opposed to CCP. I'm completely opposed to the previous laws which gave rise to CCP. I'm only in favor of citizens being able to arm themselves however.
 

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Interesting . . . I'm completely opposed to the law. I'm completely opposed to CCP. I'm completely opposed to the previous laws which gave rise to CCP. I'm only in favor of citizens being able to arm themselves however.


Good point.
 

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Good point.
It troubles me when I read a reply such a Stupid's, or hear comments like that from people . . . sentiments indicating people expect some form of administered process, an additional layer of bureaucracy, to eliminate or wean away all possible forms of potential error, all potential threats to safety, when in fact beneath those additional processes and layerings was, all along, yet now resultantly restricted, a process to provide that safety, a process to eliminate those threats.

If a crazy person gets a gun in his hand the natural corrective action is (was) supposed to be a well armed public.
 

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I think you inferred a little too much in my post.

Just to be clear, my belief is less government/regulations is best. Especially when it comes to a person's rights. Freedom of speech, gun rights, etc.. If everyone(who can legally own one) in KY had a gun on them it would stop a whole lot of crimes. My posts above is just that if there is a law(ccdw program new open carry law) i believe that should actually work/be effective.

Btw, @BlueRaider22 Ruger Lc9s, galco iwb about 4 o'clock . I have an IWB holster that was given to me for my Beretta 92a1, but I have never tried using it. I really need to start carrying a knife. Need to invest in a good one and make a habit of packing it.
 

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I think you inferred a little too much in my post.

Just to be clear, my belief is less government/regulations is best. Especially when it comes to a person's rights. Freedom of speech, gun rights, etc.. If everyone(who can legally own one) in KY had a gun on them it would stop a whole lot of crimes. My posts above is just that if there is a law(ccdw program new open carry law) i believe that should actually work/be effective.

Btw, @BlueRaider22 Ruger Lc9s, galco iwb about 4 o'clock . I have an IWB holster that was given to me for my Beretta 92a1, but I have never tried using it. I really need to start carrying a knife. Need to invest in a good one and make a habit of packing it.



My brother is a Ruger fan boy. He’s had wonderful success with them.

I don’t know if I can function without a good locking folder. I think I use what I carry once a day.
 

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Im normally a S&W or glock person. I just picked up the ruger for an amazing price at the time and it does everything flawless so far. Otherwise, I would likely have a g43 like you.

The best shooting small gun I have ever shot is the Sig P938. However, its price and looks makes people want to baby it and not actually pack it.
 
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I think you inferred a little too much in my post.

Just to be clear, my belief is less government/regulations is best. Especially when it comes to a person's rights. Freedom of speech, gun rights, etc.. If everyone(who can legally own one) in KY had a gun on them it would stop a whole lot of crimes. My posts above is just that if there is a law(ccdw program new open carry law) i believe that should actually work/be effective.

Btw, @BlueRaider22 Ruger Lc9s, galco iwb about 4 o'clock . I have an IWB holster that was given to me for my Beretta 92a1, but I have never tried using it. I really need to start carrying a knife. Need to invest in a good one and make a habit of packing it.

I may have, yes (read too much into your reply). I'm guilty of doing that. Too often. I think we all have a tendency to look further into one's meaning, even when several of us are being sincere about a topic of reasonable importance. This is one of them. We're discussing one of our core rights now, while dabbling into that sketchy habit of legislative / policy tweaking of those rights.

You mention a law's effectiveness. The discussion being about the CCP process with emphasis on the classroom requirement. That effectiveness. is it or isn't is? I would challenge that effectiveness is like beauty. It is in the eye of the beholder. Like that 65 mph speed limit sign. Or the "tax bracket" system.

I don't know how or when, but at some point in time the "law" decided it was illegal to conceal a handgun.

Eventually came the CCW permit, and has even been used in some states as a means to gain permission to carry out in the open. A huge database. Permanent. For the government to know who the "users" are. It should come as no surprise that as this list grows and grows, the talk of a tyrannical government's ability to take away out rights, perhaps even to take away those firearms, grows louder and louder. We've told them who we are, where we are. It would be wise to not ask for associated process to be more robust. People who have never applied for this permit and who may now enjoy "constitutional carry" . . . smart people. Hopefully more states will do as Kentucky. And maybe one day there will be a reciprocation among states in this way. That is probably being very hopeful.

I've been carrying a gerber EZ out clip-on, right hip pocket since the mid 90s. mine is a full blade (non skeleton, no openings that is, no serrations). Original design. Very hard to find anymore. black polymer handle. sharpens pretty good using medium stone. Finish it off using a ceramic heater out of a high pressure sodium bulb.
 
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The best shooting small gun I have ever shot is the Sig P938. However, its price and looks makes people want to baby it and not actually pack it.

mine has the blackwood grips. Really wanted the rosewood grips at the time. Yes, a little pricey, but the rural king had a great deal on it, low 500s a few years ago. Couldn't resist. Carry locked and cocked. Locked. And. Cocked.
 

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Just to drum up some discussion....


With the new Ky law that allows constitutional carry going into effect now, what does everyone carry? How do you carry it? And why that location?
S&W Shield 9mm. Kidney or small of the back usually, depending activity or where I’m at. It’s small enough I can carry in my pocket if I choose. Just depends on whatever is most comfortable or hidden with the outfit I’m wearing. Hopefully it always stays tucked there and I never have to use it.
 
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I may have, yes (read too much into your reply). I'm guilty of doing that. Too often. I think we all have a tendency to look further into one's meaning, even when several of us are being sincere about a topic of reasonable importance. This is one of them. We're discussing one of our core rights now, while dabbling into that sketchy habit of legislative / policy tweaking of those rights.

You mention a law's effectiveness. The discussion being about the CCP process with emphasis on the classroom requirement. That effectiveness. is it or isn't is? I would challenge that effectiveness is like beauty. It is in the eye of the beholder. Like that 65 mph speed limit sign. Or the "tax bracket" system.

I don't know how or when, but at some point in time the "law" decided it was illegal to conceal a handgun.

Eventually came the CCW permit, and has even been used in some states as a means to gain permission to carry out in the open. A huge database. Permanent. For the government to know who the "users" are. It should come as no surprise that as this list grows and grows, the talk of a tyrannical government's ability to take away out rights, perhaps even to take away those firearms, grows louder and louder. We've told them who we are, where we are. It would be wise to not ask for associated process to be more robust. People who have never applied for this permit and who may now enjoy "constitutional carry" . . . smart people. Hopefully more states will do as Kentucky. And maybe one day there will be a reciprocation among states in this way. That is probably being very hopeful.

I've been carrying a gerber EZ out clip-on, right hip pocket since the mid 90s. mine is a full blade (non skeleton, no openings that is, no serrations). Original design. Very hard to find anymore. black polymer handle. sharpens pretty good using medium stone. Finish it off using a ceramic heater out of a high pressure sodium bulb.



I think people get a little too overboard with the whole “I’m not giving out my information” thing. I don’t think it matters......the gub’ment knows anyway. And if they came crashing down looking for our guns, they’d come at every man, woman, child......not just people on a list.

Now that being said, you don’t want to flaunt personal information either. It’s kinda like money. If you have it, you don’t to wander around town flashing the world’s biggest money clip. You wanna be discreet about it. But, in general, people are gonna know you have some money anyway.
 

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Got my shipping papers from FN today. Web based customer service entry was not exactly the most user friendly. Otherwise, they seem prompt about dealing with the issue.
 
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I really need to get in the habit of carrying all the time, I have CCL but don't always carry. Usually it depends on where I'm going and what I'm doing. Just a little Ruger LCP .380 in a pocket holster. As a side note, picked up the Sig M-17 a few weeks ago and have only been to the range once but it ran like a top.
 
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Why do you need to conceal carry when open carry would make us all safer?


If everyone opened carry, then you'd be right. I used to spend a lot of time with family in Texas where everyone used to open carry......and people behaved themselves.

But now, if a bad guys walks into a Walmart looking to shoot up the place who is he gonna shoot at first? I'd rather hold whatever cards I have back......
 
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It's a fairly decent way to screen out the mentally dysfunctional, emotional misfits maybe. Meant to be a waste of time for the prepared and capable. Be happy about that.
Yeah, but I got my CCP 5 years ago and then became crazy. :)
 

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If 4 guys come kicking in your door, it would be nice to have an AR ready.

I read more about that story. The homeowner recognized at least one of the attackers because he sold something on Craigslist, and they came to the house to pick it up. The day of the attack, the 4 guys came to the house asking for help “with car trouble”....the house is 300 yards back down the driveway. The homeowner did not come to the front door, eventually someone came around to his back door and started beating on it, that’s when he told them he couldn’t help with the car because he was disabled. After all that nonsense, the homeowner went to sleep for some reason. Then the door was kicked, and the fight started. Also the house smelled like weed.

Seems kind of bizarre, and the homeowner could’ve have handled things better before the attack, but good that he was able to live and hit 2 guys. The other two guys in the car fled before the fight, or that was their story at least.
 
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Got a Public Defender with the first three loaded with Federal #4 buckshot and Hydra Shoks in the last two. Told my wife to aim for the neck. Not much bone and if you hit bone there the fight is over anyway.
 

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Got a Public Defender with the first three loaded with Federal #4 buckshot and Hydra Shoks in the last two. Told my wife to aim for the neck. Not much bone and if you hit bone there the fight is over anyway.


I’d probably tell her heart. Much larger margin for error.