Thoughts about the game.

[archdog]

Before everyone goes off the deep end posting negative crap at players, I would like to start the discussion about our team. The problems with out team can be summed easily, it's all the offensive coordinator. We should have had 21 points in the first half but the soft *** play calling ruined any chance we had to succeed. Do we have as much talent as UM on offense, yes. Why can't we run a quick offense? I don't get it.

As I write this, Dak is moving the ball but I watched the first 3 quarters and that **** is terrible. Les needs to go after this year or get this going next week. I don't want to see that type of play calling ever again, but I bet I do. If you do nothing else, Les K, look at the 6 plays UM did and just do that. You will be able to move the ball.

Edited to add, all the players looked like they were giving great effort. The D was tired but they were still working hard. Way harder than Les.

 

[Drebin]

Before everyone goes off the deep end posting negative crap at players, I would like to start the discussion about our team. The problems with out team can be summed easily, it's all the offensive coordinator. We should have had 21 points in the first half but the soft *** play calling ruined any chance we had to succeed. Do we have as much talent as UM on offense, yes. Why can't we run a quick offense? I don't get it.

As I write this, Dak is moving the ball but I watched the first 3 quarters and that **** is terrible. Les needs to go after this year or get this going next week. I don't want to see that type of play calling ever again, but I bet I do.

I agree with you. As far as that type of play calling, you will see more of it this game. We could have Colin Kaepernick at QB...it would still be the same crap.

 

[Baddog11]

I agree. How many games will we continue to allow him to cost us the game? His true allegiance is Alabama. He sent his daughter to school there.He doesn't care at all in his heart about miss state.

 

[uptowndawg]

My thoughts = Jameson shots

 

[Drebin]

Also, Jameon Lewis sucks. he has no business returning punts or kicks, he can't catch the ball in traffic, and when he does have the ball, he dances too much and doesn't get upfield.

 

[messageboardsuperhero]

Also, Jameon Lewis sucks. he has no business returning punts or kicks, he can't catch the ball in traffic, and when he does have the ball, he dances too much and doesn't get upfield.

Are you joking? Lewis is a good returner. Based on what I saw today, I can't argue with the rest, but Lewis can return kicks.

 

[bgdog]

My thoughts = Jameson shots

Concise. Accurate. Drunj

 

[Drebin]

He had a really good kick return...and two really ****** ones that caused us to start on the 10. He made terrible decisions on punts. He thinks he's Percy Harvin.

 

[dirtydawg40]

Ok, I rarely post, always observe! Fact is, we have all the pieces, we just don't have a coordinator! Players do exactally what they are coached to do!

 

[Shamoan]

maybe we should have been working on how to defeat osu instead of circle-jerking each other at the bowling alley this late offseason.

 

[esplanade91]

I'll start by saying that this team is a national championship quality team... so am I really that upset? Not really, I expected to lose... just not in that fashion. That was embarrassing. But signing up to play them has made me even less excited about this season than what last season already made me.

Really the only thing I took away from the game was that everyone is as good as advertised and the only thing holding us back is play calling on offense.

Special teams minus a missed kick was above average, young receivers were productive, running backs were solid, linebackers were solid, and when the starters were in even the secondary was pretty good... but the DL never got consistent pressure and the o-line late in the game just let anyone have their way.

Not to be one of those guys who's shitting a brick on twitter right now about Les but I think he should be fired tomorrow. We have upperclassmen QB's so losing their position coach won't be a big deal, and that's the only way I can see fans giving this team a chance. Above everything I want to see Mullen's ability without the excuse of Les to see what we have, because if this is the best we're going to get I'm ready to give Hud a shot. If he wasn't such an MSU fan he'd be the guy at Ole Miss with 3 #1 recruits taking away every fair weather Mississippi sports fan from us.

Again, I'm decently happy with the team... extremely disappointed with coaching. It's 98% coaching.

 

[Shamoan]

Before everyone goes off the deep end posting negative crap at players, I would like to start the discussion about our team. The problems with out team can be summed easily, it's all the offensive coordinator. We should have had 21 points in the first half but the soft *** play calling ruined any chance we had to succeed. Do we have as much talent as UM on offense, yes. Why can't we run a quick offense? I don't get it.

As I write this, Dak is moving the ball but I watched the first 3 quarters and that **** is terrible. Les needs to go after this year or get this going next week. I don't want to see that type of play calling ever again, but I bet I do. If you do nothing else, Les K, look at the 6 plays UM did and just do that. You will be able to move the ball.

Edited to add, all the players looked like they were giving great effort. The D was tired but they were still working hard. Way harder than Les.

les koenning's *** should have been gone after last year. why is 52nd, 85th, and 61st acceptable here i have no idea...somehow, we let his dumbass fly under the radar again to produce similar results a year later. i hate our fans for accepting mediocrity. unfortunately, collins didnt keep his end of the bargain either, so by the time he proves himself to be in over his head, we will just have found a new offensive coordinator. it takes a mediocre coordinator to expose how insufficient our other side of the ball is. collins is ok....we need a great dc to compensate for our ****** playcalling. i would ALMOST rather run the high risk defense wilson ran against an osu type team as compared against the base safe defense we ran today. collins isnt the answer. he is serviceable but not the great hype we were hoping for. collins is meh.....where was the aggressiveness? where was the defensive intensity? nowhere. he is nothing more than a glorified position coordinator. we have a long way to go and the sooner joe-blow dumbass reading this right now realizes it, the better.

 

[Shamoan]

I'll start by saying that this team is a national championship quality team... so am I really that upset? Not really, I expected to lose... just not in that fashion. That was embarrassing. But signing up to play them has made me even less excited about this season than what last season already made me.

Really the only thing I took away from the game was that everyone is as good as advertised and the only thing holding us back is play calling on offense.

Special teams minus a missed kick was above average, young receivers were productive, running backs were solid, linebackers were solid, and when the starters were in even the secondary was pretty good... but the DL never got consistent pressure and the o-line late in the game just let anyone have their way.

Not to be one of those guys who's shitting a brick on twitter right now about Les but I think he should be fired tomorrow. We have upperclassmen QB's so losing their position coach won't be a big deal, and that's the only way I can see fans giving this team a chance. Above everything I want to see Mullen's ability without the excuse of Les to see what we have, because if this is the best we're going to get I'm ready to give Hud a shot. If he wasn't such an MSU fan he'd be the guy at Ole Miss with 3 #1 recruits taking away every fair weather Mississippi sports fan from us.

Again, I'm decently happy with the team... extremely disappointed with coaching. It's 98% coaching.

this is a 3 or 4 loss team. not national championshp quality. good, but not great.

 

[drummerdawg]

Why doesn't Mullen call the plays?

 

[SyonaraStanz]

Or maybe if our coaches spent more time game-planning and coaching, instead of calculating ******* juice points, we'd be a much better football team.

 

[archdog]

Juice points are good stuff. I just cannot sit here and watch our players do the stupid offensive scheme that they are being forced. I would rather Russell call all the plays. Lets get this thing going. UM is making us look like a bunch of grab asses. Their play calling is light years above ours. We have the better talent overall, yet if you watched today it looked like it was our first practice of the fall.

 

[Temple of the Dawg]

i would ALMOST rather run the high risk defense wilson ran against an osu type team as compared against the base safe defense we ran today. collins isnt the answer. he is serviceable but not the great hype we were hoping for. collins is meh.....where was the aggressiveness? where was the defensive intensity? nowhere. he is nothing more than a glorified position coordinator. we have a long way to go and the sooner joe-blow dumbass reading this right now realizes it, the better.

You just exposed yourself as a troll or an idiot. There was nothing high risk about the defense Wilson ran, at all, ever. Our defense play calling and scheme last year made vanilla look like ghost peppers. I will agree that there isn't any evidence that Collins is all world as a DC, but he is at least good and had potential.

 

[GANGBANGDOG]

National championship, really fool???

 

[GANGBANGDOG]

National championship quality, really fool??? This team would get run by UA, UGA, LSU, A&M, UF, USCE, vandy, OM, AU, mizzou, UT, Arky, and STATE AND UK WILL GET A BEAT DOWN.

 

[SkullCandy.sixpack]

This is crazy talk. If we fire Mullen--our first coach with a winning record since Daryl Royal in the 1950s-- we will get branded as a coaches graveyard. Even if Hud were willing to come, I'd bet he'd have a helluva time finding decent position coaches that would take the chance. 4 straight bowls and and he's gone? Really? My only beef with Dan--who I think is a very good coach-- is he just doesn't seem to recruit well.

We are one game into the season, and are already in full meltdown mode. This is going to be a long season.

 

[Duckdawg]

I'll start by saying that this team is a national championship quality team... so am I really that upset? Not really, I expected to lose... just not in that fashion. That was embarrassing. But signing up to play them has made me even less excited about this season than what last season already made me.

Really the only thing I took away from the game was that everyone is as good as advertised and the only thing holding us back is play calling on offense.

Special teams minus a missed kick was above average, young receivers were productive, running backs were solid, linebackers were solid, and when the starters were in even the secondary was pretty good... but the DL never got consistent pressure and the o-line late in the game just let anyone have their way.

Not to be one of those guys who's shitting a brick on twitter right now about Les but I think he should be fired tomorrow. We have upperclassmen QB's so losing their position coach won't be a big deal, and that's the only way I can see fans giving this team a chance. Above everything I want to see Mullen's ability without the excuse of Les to see what we have, because if this is the best we're going to get I'm ready to give Hud a shot. If he wasn't such an MSU fan he'd be the guy at Ole Miss with 3 #1 recruits taking away every fair weather Mississippi sports fan from us.

Again, I'm decently happy with the team... extremely disappointed with coaching. It's 98% coaching.

Running backs were solid? LDP had 50 yds on 16 carries which included a 22 yarder and a 19 yarder. He had 41 yds on 2 carries and 14 more that were crap.

 

[Realist.sixpack]

He had a really good kick return...and two really ****** ones that caused us to start on the 10. He made terrible decisions on punts. He thinks he's Percy Harvin.

The head coach thinks he's Harvin.

 

[Shamoan]

You just exposed yourself as a troll or an idiot. There was nothing high risk about the defense Wilson ran, at all, ever. Our defense play calling and scheme last year made vanilla look like ghost peppers. I will agree that there isn't any evidence that Collins is all world as a DC, but he is at least good and had potential.

wrong....zone is a baiting defense and that is all wilson would run. baiting a qb intro throwing something into an unseen zone defender. thats why wr's were running wide open all season last year. what makes you think he is good? what evidence do you have to bring to the table? just because he isnt wilson doesnt mean he has potential for our team. there was nearly zero pressure. the level of pressure i saw today was 100% comparable to what wilson ran a year ago. that is a hard and sad fact to accept. maybe things change against auburn...who knows, but if im mullen, i fire les koenning and give collins a clear line in the sand.

 

[esplanade91]

LDP wasn't the only RB that played and his contrabution wasn't only rushing, and I still think they as a group looked pretty good...

And OSU is most definitely a team that deserves to be in the title game discussion. They're going to roll through the B12, so unless a B1G team is better they could be the team facing Georgia/Alabama/LSU/South Carolina.

 

[Temple of the Dawg]

wrong....zone is a baiting defense and that is all wilson would run. baiting a qb intro throwing something into an unseen zone defender. thats why wr's were running wide open all season last year. what makes you think he is good? what evidence do you have to bring to the table? just because he isnt wilson doesnt mean he has potential for our team. there was nearly zero pressure. the level of pressure i saw today was 100% comparable to what wilson ran a year ago. that is a hard and sad fact to accept. maybe things change against auburn...who knows, but if im mullen, i fire les koenning and give collins a clear line in the sand.

Geez....how well did that "baiting" work last year? Wilson's D made hot garbage look appealing last season. What makes me think Collins is at least good is he took the same defense minus two CBs that will start as rookies in the NFL and held a team to 21 points that averaged 45.7 points last season. And he did it with essentially zero support from the offense after the 1st quarter. Our offense played 6 17ing snaps in the third quarter. OSU had 40+ plus snaps in the third quarter. Essentially, our defense held them to 21 points over a 19 minute stretch of game time (the D did struggle during this time). So, the third ranked offense last season in terms of points was held scoreless for around 41 minutes of game time. That is what tells me that Collins is a good DC. Yes, there is plenty of things he can improve on, namely teaching our DEs how to defend the zone read. However, he is already a vast improvement over Wilson. He has potential. There was pressure in the first half, both from blitzes and the DEs. It wasn't as much as I would have liked, but it was more than we got last year.

 

[sldrboy2002]

I prefer Wild Turkey Rare Breed, neat myself.

 

[sldrboy2002]

The True Offensive Coordinator

Have heard rumors, and just want to see what others think on here. I have heard that the offensive playcalling, comes from, or is approved by Dan, and that Koenning is just around to coach QB's. If this is true, then what do you think of Mullen now, if not and Les is definitely responsible for Offensive playcalling, his *** should have been gone last year. I really don't see how Dan could run an offense like this, with his experience and playcalling as an assistant.

Defense is improved in my opinion, concerned about our conditioning and all of the injuries we had today.

 

[Machiavelli]

Have heard rumors, and just want to see what others think on here. I have heard that the offensive playcalling, comes from, or is approved by Dan, and that Koenning is just around to coach QB's. If this is true, then what do you think of Mullen now, if not and Les is definitely responsible for Offensive playcalling, his *** should have been gone last year. I really don't see how Dan could run an offense like this, with his experience and playcalling as an assistant.

Defense is improved in my opinion, concerned about our conditioning and all of the injuries we had today.

This offensive is all Mullen. He keeps Les around because he is one of the few OC that is willing to do this " install my offense without question bs." We were duked by Mullen's offensive greatness. Hell he just was a installer for Urban and he resents it, trying to pave his own way.

 

[Shamoan]

Geez....how well did that "baiting" work last year? Wilson's D made hot garbage look appealing last season. What makes me think Collins is at least good is he took the same defense minus two CBs that will start as rookies in the NFL and held a team to 21 points that averaged 45.7 points last season. And he did it with essentially zero support from the offense after the 1st quarter. Our offense played 6 17ing snaps in the third quarter. OSU had 40+ plus snaps in the third quarter. Essentially, our defense held them to 21 points over a 19 minute stretch of game time (the D did struggle during this time). So, the third ranked offense last season in terms of points was held scoreless for around 41 minutes of game time. That is what tells me that Collins is a good DC. Yes, there is plenty of things he can improve on, namely teaching our DEs how to defend the zone read. However, he is already a vast improvement over Wilson. He has potential. There was pressure in the first half, both from blitzes and the DEs. It wasn't as much as I would have liked, but it was more than we got last year.

lets get something straight....wilsons d was ****....but at least he produced some turnovers. if you remember, we were atop the turnover margin for most of the year. we ended the season with 19...........19 interceptions. 19. one nine. that doesnt take into account fumbles. zone leads to turnovers....but it also frustrates fans because guys are being left open all the time. and if you recall, most of those werent on skill, its because they were thrown right at banks or slay because zone affords us that opportunity.

am i saying wilson > collins? absolutely not. but when we get zero pressure, we might as well go ahead and try to get some takeaways. we got zero push against that reworked offensive line. that should be EXTREMELY troubling to us all. that was not some experienced big 12 offensive line. its a reworked o line that had to reshuffel and replace their starting lt from a group that was largely comprised of inexperienced lineman. we simply should have eaten them for lunch. thats what we were saying before the game right? they were inexperienced and vulnerable up front....right? we said it, the media said it, yet, we were totally unable to capitalize. why?

my theory is that all our preaseason talk about pressure and aggression was utter horseshit and that we are largely the same team we were last season but in a different defensive scheme.

look, im not that frustrated by the score. im mostly frustrated because we saw nearly nothing that we were promised this offseason. thats the disgusting truth about the whole thing. we were NOT aggressive....we were NOT physical....we were NOT disruptive. its the same ole **** and the ones that truly concentrate on my last 3 points will agree with me. thats why im pissed with the defense and collins. for us to be successful, we have to take some chances....we took none to very few against osu. we paid the price for it.

 

[sldrboy2002]

If this is true, Dan needs to stop 17'ing with the offense and leave it to Les, because it's going to get both of them fired instead of just one of them.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

Why doesn't Mullen call the plays?

Mullen does call the plays. Or at least approves them all. Les is the scapegoat here. If there was a problem there, that **** would have been fixed. It's the exact same ****** offense we had last year. Hell, we had a better offense with QBs who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. It's Dan's offense, so there was nothing to "fix". Les is just the scapegoat, and he will continue to be this entire year.

Does anyone really think it was Koenning that decided to go for it on 4th and 15 from our 40 with 55 seconds left and OSU having 2 TOs? 17, OSU even called a TO to give us a chance to not be complete 17ing morons. Everyone watching on TV thought the exact same thing: "WTF are these retards doing?" What did we do? Yep, continue to be ****** at coaching. I've been one of Dan's biggest supporters for his entire tenure, but the coaching decisions I saw today simply baffled me. I am 100% happy with what he has done at MSU in the past several years, but he needs to find some coaches who know what they are doing and let them do their job, manage the overall and quit this 17ing ******** we have going on now.

For the record, our defense of the read-option was just as laughable as it was last year. The defense played great otherwise, but can we seriously not prepare for that offense? Damn near half of our schedule runs it, which gives me no confidence.

 

[aerodawg.sixpack]

You realize teams are allotted a specific number of practices, the bowling did not count as a practice. They practiced another day to make up for it.

We better burn the helmets too because we lost in them.**

 

[Bully78]

If the offense is "all Mullen", then he should fire himself.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Yeah that

bowling trip really cost us yesterday *****

 

[idog]

we succeeded with Relf under center bc his running ability opened up the passing

but he was terribly erratic. Dak has a better, more accurate arm. I'd like to see the offense go to Dak and we do what we do best, which is run the ball. i'm all in for the read option with some passing sprinkled in to our young talented WR's. Perk would be a great option back as well.