Thoughts on St.Laurence this year?

chitownace777

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They should make the playoffs and have another great team.Guess they will be moving to 6a.Thoughts on how the Vikings should do this year? Heard the new QB is impressive
 

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LOL ok they have a ton of offensive skills back love the RB's Smart and Williams and the QB Washington has a ton of promise....saw those kids at Bolingbrook Indy St camp and they both looked great. Not sure on OL/DL I didn't get a coaches survey from them but I'm working on it. Also schedule is no gimme either. Is that better? Chitown ask anyone who subscribes I very seldom don't try to provide as much details as possible.
 

chitownace777

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ICCP is Immaculate Conception I'm guessing.On another note sad to see Seton closed in South Holland.They made a run at football years ago and it just didn't pan out.I watched their only win 36-0 over SFDS in 07
 

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surprised ICCP would schedule a bigger contender like Lawrence.

Immaculate Conception tucked tail and bailed on the SCC - went to a much weaker conference. Of the seven schools that bailed, IC was the one school that surprised me by the move. Perhaps they realized they need some stiffer competition and more playoff points to maintain legitimacy.

I'm taking a shot at IC with my comments, but truth be told, I really miss the rivalry with Aurora Christian. Those were great games between two quality 3A schools.

2012 highlights
 

jwarigaku

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They will be ok to good just like they were last year...let's call it like it is, had they been in the ESCC their season record would have been either 5-4 or 4-5 waiting to see if they had the points to qualify. They were a good team last year but they still have a lot of growing to do.

They should make the playoffs and have another great team.Guess they will be moving to 6a.Thoughts on how the Vikings should do this year? Heard the new QB is impressive
 

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Immaculate Conception tucked tail and bailed on the SCC - went to a much weaker conference. Of the seven schools that bailed, IC was the one school that surprised me by the move. Perhaps they realized they need some stiffer competition and more playoff points to maintain legitimacy.

I'm taking a shot at IC with my comments, but truth be told, I really miss the rivalry with Aurora Christian. Those were great games between two quality 3A schools.

2012 highlights

Those games were great. 06-08 I think were all one score games. When IC won state in 08 I remember thinking they were not going to make the playoffs after that loss. 12-7 score I believe with Jordan Roberts completing a 4th and 15 on the final drive. The previous year IC had 4-5 fumbles in in what I think was also 12-7.

I also couldn't believe the switched conferences. Still seems very strange but I understand the move now.
 

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They will be ok to good just like they were last year...let's call it like it is, had they been in the ESCC their season record would have been either 5-4 or 4-5 waiting to see if they had the points to qualify. They were a good team last year but they still have a lot of growing to do.

Maybe.

The ESCC is a 10 team conference and schools only play 7 conference games. If Laurence had a regular season schedule last year like, say, Naz, for instance, the Vikings would have finished at 5-4 at WORST.
 

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The ESCC is a 10 team conference and schools only play 7 conference games. If Laurence had a regular season schedule last year like, say, Naz, for instance, the Vikings would have finished at 5-4 at WORST.
Ramblin getting an early start with the critical comments regarding Naz' schedule. I like it.
 
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They will be ok to good just like they were last year...let's call it like it is, had they been in the ESCC their season record would have been either 5-4 or 4-5 waiting to see if they had the points to qualify. They were a good team last year but they still have a lot of growing to do.

The juggernaut that the ESCC is, how true. Loyola 6-3 last year in the ESCC, likely.
 

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Maybe.

The ESCC is a 10 team conference and schools only play 7 conference games. If Laurence had a regular season schedule last year like, say, Naz, for instance, the Vikings would have finished at 5-4 at WORST.
That's pretty laughable. They were 0-2 against the ESCC last year and lost by 21 and 34 to the 3rd and 4th place teams in the conference and doesn't include the 8A finalist.
 

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That's pretty laughable. They were 0-2 against the ESCC last year and lost by 21 and 34 to the 3rd and 4th place teams in the conference and doesn't include the 8A finalist.


If the 2015 Vikings played the 2015 Naz schedule, the Vikes would go 4-1 in the first five weeks after beating Bloomington, Leo, St. Pat's and Marian Catholic. They would also beat Viator in week nine to go 5-4 for the year. Easy peasy.

What's laughable about that?
 

godfthr53

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So a CPS school and a CCL school also on your schedule.
I'd list the 4 teams that said No to a week 1 but that might offend some of the fan bases on here. A prominent CPS, and CCL Green, an Upstate 8, and another ESCC team. But I'm sure scheduling is as easy as you think.
And We've already been laughed at by a different CCL Green team that has a 2017-2018 opening.
 
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ramblinman_rivals165935

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So a CPS school and a CCL school also on your schedule.
I'd list the 4 teams that said No to a week 1 but that might offend some of the fan bases on here. A prominent CPS, and CCL Green, an Upstate 8, and another ESCC team. But I'm sure scheduling is as easy as you think.
And We've already been laughed at by a different CCL Green team that has a 2017-2018 opening.

What are you talking about in your fist sentence? Whose schedule are you referring to when you say "your schedule."

Never said or thought that scheduling is easy. However, SOME top tier teams don't find it all that difficult to schedule quality non-con opponents. Naz is not among those. Finding quality non-con opponents must be really really hard for Naz because they keep scheduling pushovers...year after year. At some point, the question must be asked if scheduling uncompetitive non-con opponents is really a last resort or a preference.

Again, what was laughable about my assertion that Laurence last season would go no worse than 5-4 playing the 2015 Naz schedule?
 

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Never said or thought that scheduling is easy. However, SOME top tier teams don't find it all that difficult to schedule quality non-con opponents. Naz is not among those. Finding quality non-con opponents must be really really hard for Naz because they keep scheduling pushovers...year after year. At some point, the question must be asked if scheduling uncompetitive non-con opponents is really a last resort or a preference.
It truly is a shame for IL HS football that a defending, two-time state champ would chose to consistently schedule such soft non-con games.
 

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PJJP,

Still feeling the burn of no titles for so many years? Can't help it that Simeon after demanding a home game then refused to play Naz unless they were also paid by Naz to play at home. Godfather is too nice to say it.

It truly is a shame for IL HS football that a defending, two-time state champ would chose to consistently schedule such soft non-con games.
 

godfthr53

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Simeon, St. Francis, Glenbard East, and MCC all turned Naz down for this year. Fenwick said no way for their 2017-2018. I would think after a while it gets annoying and you grab any game you can.
I'll be sure to let the board know what teams Naz reaches out to as soon as I know to get your approval. And then you can bash the other teams for not wanting to play.
 
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godfthr53

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PJJP,

Still feeling the burn of no titles for so many years? Can't help it that Simeon after demanding a home game then refused to play Naz unless they were also paid by Naz to play at home. Godfather is too nice to say it.
Paid and paid a lot. Like almost double or triple the CPS schools normally get to TRAVEL and play not to get a home game.
 

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"Tim Racki: People always seem to hammer us about our non conference schedule but when you look at the conference we really don't have what some would call a soft week in the ESCC." " On the other end, when your trying to just get to 5-4 and become a playoff team that 's when you wish the conference wasn't so tough and so physically demanding. "
https://edgytim.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1604921&PT=4&PR=2
 

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Simeon, St. Francis, Glenbard East, and MCC all turned Naz down for this year. Fenwick said no way for their 2017-2018. I would think after a while it gets annoying and you grab any game you can.
I'll be sure to let the board know what teams Naz reaches out to as soon as I know to get your approval. And then you can bash the other teams for not wanting to play.
Would Nazareth play Lyons?
 

godfthr53

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"Tim Racki: People always seem to hammer us about our non conference schedule but when you look at the conference we really don't have what some would call a soft week in the ESCC." " On the other end, when your trying to just get to 5-4 and become a playoff team that 's when you wish the conference wasn't so tough and so physically demanding. "
https://edgytim.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1604921&PT=4&PR=2
So you can go back before Naz even got out of a quarterfinals game. The talent level has changed a lot and the Athletic Director has tried to get different games. Say all you want about the schedule nobody cares who you play weeks 1 and 2 in weeks 10-14
 

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Would Nazareth play Lyons?
They've been through that before Lyons would never play and I agree with them. A total Lose-Lose for LT being less than a mile away and potential to lose a game and kids to Naz. The better matchup people in that area would like to see is Naz-Fenwick. Naz tried once but didn't happen.
 

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The last 8 posts have nothing to do with St. Laurence and everything to do with Naz. Yet another thread hijacked by Naz chatter.
 
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pjjp

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I'll be sure to let the board know what teams Naz reaches out to as soon as I know to get your approval. And then you can bash the other teams for not wanting to play.
Thanks, coach. We look forward to the information.

It sure is amazing how other quality programs seem to be able find quality non-con opponents. Then again, the direct quote from Racki posted by Bronco man sheds some light on the Naz scheduling philosophy.
 

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PJJP,

Still feeling the burn of no titles for so many years? Can't help it that Simeon after demanding a home game then refused to play Naz unless they were also paid by Naz to play at home. Godfather is too nice to say it.
St. Francis has issues with trying to work something out with Simeon last year, forget the particulars.
 

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In Naz's defense, a lot of so called top teams in Chicago land do not want to schedule tuff opponents. Teams like Montini are always willing but most are not. I know ESL has called all and offered to travel up. So far only Montini and PC have been willing to play. Both did a home and home. I can also attest to Simeon as the game last year was supposed to be part of the Soldier Field games.
 

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No need to run Naz' proposed opponents past me for approval. Thanks for offering.

Oh my gosh, four teams turned down Naz this year? FOUR teams? Better cut and run and get anyone you can. Getting five turn downs would be so deflating and exhausting! :rolleyes:

Still waiting for you to reply to my question about why you think it is laughable to presume that Laurence in 2015 would do no worse than 5-4 playing the 2015 Naz schedule. This is the third time I have asked.
 

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They've been through that before Lyons would never play and I agree with them. A total Lose-Lose for LT being less than a mile away and potential to lose a game and kids to Naz. The better matchup people in that area would like to see is Naz-Fenwick. Naz tried once but didn't happen.

Naz has maybe 400 boys in the whole school, many of whom come from OUTSIDE the LT district. LT has roughly five times that many boys. I doubt that LT gives a crap about whatever potential you think there might be to lose kids to Naz. I note that Naz and LT play each other in boys hoops. Why doesn't the same "logic" apply there?

Why do you think Naz-Fenwick would be a better matchup than LT-Naz? Naz and Fenwick are are relatively close by private school standards, You share much of the same traditional student recruitment areas. According to your logic, wouldn't the loser potentially still run the risk of losing kids to the winner?
 

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They've been through that before Lyons would never play and I agree with them. A total Lose-Lose for LT being less than a mile away and potential to lose a game and kids to Naz. The better matchup people in that area would like to see is Naz-Fenwick. Naz tried once but didn't happen.

Wouldn't the same logic apply to Naz?
 

godfthr53

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Wouldn't the same logic apply to Naz?
Maybe as it stands today yes. But when it was addressed maybe 5 years ago I'd say no. Naz wasn't that good. For LT if they lost to a smaller not good local team it wouldn't look good for them. If they were to play today there probably wouldn't be much difference.
 
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godfthr53

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Naz has maybe 400 boys in the whole school, many of whom come from OUTSIDE the LT district. LT has roughly five times that many boys. I doubt that LT gives a crap about whatever potential you think there might be to lose kids to Naz. I note that Naz and LT play each other in boys hoops. Why doesn't the same "logic" apply there?

Why do you think Naz-Fenwick would be a better matchup than LT-Naz? Naz and Fenwick are are relatively close by private school standards, You share much of the same traditional student recruitment areas. According to your logic, wouldn't the loser potentially still run the risk of losing kids to the winner?
That's entirely not true. The 2014 team had roughly 15-20% of the roster from LT district.
 

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That's entirely not true. The 2014 team had roughly 15-20% of the roster from LT district.

ENTIRELY not true? Or not entirely true?

If the former, are you saying that Naz and LT DIDN'T play each other in hoops this past year? Does Naz NOT have roughly 400 boys in the school? Do Naz and Fenwick NOT recruit a lot of the same junior high students? Did I say that Naz DIDN'T have kids from the LT district on their roster?

If the latter, which part of my post, specifically, is not entirely true?

I suggest you choose and place your words more carefully.