You win as a team. I don't think I need to argue my case. Tommy is not why we have a losing record, it's a combination of things. At this point O,brien skills is not going to win us games next year.
Time for a QB change.
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you have the best posts on armstrong's play I have read…I still think he would have been pretty good as a option qb under DR.Tom though..I do think armstrong is trying…but to be a good passing qb I think you have to be born with it. you have to have feild vision and make correct split second decisions.
arm strong does have great skills making dlinemen miss.
If he had the ability, the Riley teaching would have had some affect by now, and it has not. It is a lost cause. He tries hard. I don't blame him.
I have only seen highlights of POB games and he has looked like Joe Montana. Clinical QB form. However, I watched most of his game last night and he threw off his back foot a fair amount, missed wide open receivers, took sacks and threw a pick 6 (it was called back on a penalty). Funny how he looked rather ordinary when he had Mission Viejo defenders in his face constantly, had his receivers contested, had them drop balls when they weren't covered, and their running game had evaporated. Tommy's bad steaks drive me crazy no doubt, but sometimes I wonder if other fundamentals were there (like blocking for screens, running to the open hole, etc.) if he wouldn't freak out and feel he had to win the game on his own.
Yet every game Tommy has either led us on the drive to win, or gave the defense the ball with the lead. Yeah, let's change QB. We would be 0-8 without Tommy. And yes, he needs to be used like he should or let go. Its stupid to watch these coaches do this to him and vice versa.
Ok brothas, its pretty dam simple. We have all seen teams start a freshman QB and do just fine and of course seen freshmans fail big time. If O'Brien has the football smarts, hes good to go from day one. We all know he has the arm and the cannon to threw every single pass we need, yes even now while hes in high school. If O'Brien can read defenses and make smart decisions and not turn it over he WILL beat out Tommy next year at SOME point. Tommy just doesn't have the football smarts, so if O'Brien does at all, he will be our guy sooner then later. And hell why not, if we our going to struggle next year, which we could guys, we might as well start building up our future Peyton Manning up from year one.
For Tommys sake, i do hope some how it all turns on for him in his head. With his dual threat ability, if he suddenly fixed his flaws he has, dude could be Hiesman material.
For Tommys sake, i do hope some how it all turns on for him in his head. With his dual threat ability, if he suddenly fixed his flaws he has, dude could be Hiesman material.
A lot of "If" factors in there. A lot of pieces have to fall into the puzzle and hard to predict the outcome before he even puts practice pads on for nebraska. Harrison beck, Cody green the list could keep growing. Its not fair to overhype the kid before we see him on the field. huge jump from high school ball to division 1.
The offense need to spend a full week JUST practicing screen plays. I'm serious. Our QB's inability to execute that simple throw is hamstringing our offense.
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We need a jc quarterback next year or we will extent Riley's win loss pattern to 3-9 after his 4-8 this year. Ta is not a d-1 quarterback and since we don't replace him that must mean we have no D-1 quarterbacks on the roster. Get a jc quarterback from somewhere.
Would you still be saying TA is not a d-1 quarterback if his wide outs didn't drop multiple catches today some would have been tds. If our Offensive line is average he performs much better. For you to say he is not a d-1 player you are out of your mind. Let's go down the roster and see how many others arnt d-1 players. Without Tommy making plays this team doesn't lose 5 close games, they lose by multiple touchdowns. Come on man
We will see. I will say he will start more games than Tommy. That is the shot I am calling.
Tommy has started for three years. If he cannot throw a simple screen pass by now, it aint happening. It is sad.
The receivers seemed to drop a couple passes today due to the simple fact that they were stunned that the passes were on target and that there was no need to dive for the ball.
POB will be the best qb at Nebraska the second he sets foot on campus. He absolutely will start at some point next year. Riley can't afford to fool around with TA anymore.
Our quarterback play is far from our worst problem. Even for people who think O'brien is going to be a freshman all-American the second he steps on campus. I wish you were right but In all reality it's not going to happen. Been down this road before
Unfortunately, the first three years TA was not getting coaching on technique and footwork. Bad habits are hard to break. Remember when Taylor looked good for two games with his motion? Then went back to that god awful delivery. The kid and hopefully kids we are getting now do the 7 on 7 and Elite 11 camps. That gets them the upper hand right away when they hit a campus. Previous QB's for Nebraska have never done that. Langs has a tough job first year, he needs to coach everybody how to run the offense, can't just focus on QB like he may be able to in a year or two.
TA will be #2 on Nebraska's all time passing yards at the end of the season and will be less than 1000 yards (by the end of the season) from taking over the #1 spot on that list.
TA is what he has always been. Nebraska's offense for most of the year has scored enough points to win. Not sure why people are beating him up so much today. With the exception of the pick 6, he played fine today. He will likely be the starter next year.
TA is what he has always been. Nebraska's offense for most of the year has scored enough points to win. Not sure why people are beating him up so much today. With the exception of the pick 6, he played fine today. He will likely be the starter next year.
you cannot make those mistakes as a QB .. his pick 6 was entirely mental and a result of the same crap he has been doing for 3 years ... piss poor decision making in times of crisis
He got bailed out by Brown when he took an absolutely avoidable sack to almost take us out of FG range
QBs cannot make game defining mental mistakes time and time again
he has a 47% completion rate in conference
I would rather take my chances with POB or someone else with at least the hope that they might learn from their mistakes over time
I don't understand this train of thought. If we had a running game, don't you think a run play would have been called? How many 3 and out did we have yesterday because we couldn't run the ball? Our Oline got beat yesterday.
Tommy is the best QB on the roster. He's our starter.
I wouldn't mind if he got a series off to collect himself if he gets rattled but he's the QB of this team.
I wouldn't mind if he got a series off to collect himself if he gets rattled but he's the QB of this team.
No he's not, but I'll argue right now with a competent qb Nebraska is undefeated or has one loss at most. The most important piece of the team just doesn't get it mentally or physically
I wish some reporter or who ever gets a chance to with Riley or Langsdorf does Darlington have an actual shot to play or is he indeed a practice body. Where the coaches don't pull his scholly because they feel bad for his luck or something. I honestly think the kid could be very good. He was tearing it up in Florida his junior and senior seasons.
Heres what i think would happen if O'Brien did get the nod over Tommy next year. We wont get elite QB skills right away, he will make a few slow choises or bad choises. But the advantage we'd gain is hed be on with more passes threwn, his accuracy would be better then Tommys. He may be off on a few passes, probably deep balls, but i bet he nails all his short and medium passes that get away from Tommy. This alone is worth the little struggles O'Brien would have starting for us. Hitting at a higher percetage of his medium and under passes then Tommy would.
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All QB's at every level make bad decisions and throw picks. Even Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, yet some of crush Armstrong for doing the same thing. I have said it often, TA's biggest problem is going through progressions. Always has been his problem. When his guy is open, TA is very good. The last staff was very poor at developing QB's in to making progressions. See T Mart and Armstrong. Both locked on to their receivers. So far this staff has not been able to correct the issue.
As it is, TA is still a plenty good college QB. Many times he is able to find the guy that should be open based on pre-snap reads. He probably isn't going to get any better at this point. At the same time, the offense is scoring enough points to win these games. Players around the QB need to play better on both sides of the ball.
1. TA makes game killing decisions in almost every game
2. You cited Tom Brady and Peyton Manning as justification for TAs play
2. You cited Tom Brady and Peyton Manning as justification for TAs play
I bet there were at least four offensive series in the first half where we threw on first down for little or no gain, ran on second down for 6 or 7 yards and then tried to complete a 30 yard pass on 3rd and 3 or 4. In one series in the first half we made a first down on a 6-8 yard run. After the run I texted a friend stating Langsdorf will now call 3 straight passes. He did and we went 0-3 on the passes forcing yet another punt. Nebraska may be 3-5 but we have become all -world punt team. With Riley and staff there is never any sense of urgency. Another punt. Oh, OK. .