Time to reconsider realignment?

[Buckaineer]

ESPN: Why now is the time to reconsider college conference realignment

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...now-reconsider-college-conference-realignment

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Hey, here's a great idea during a pandemic: Let's have West Virginia fly 1,400 miles to play a Big 12 game at Texas Tech on Oct. 24, but let's not allow West Virginia to play Pittsburgh. After all, the Panthers, 75 miles away, are in the ACC.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Texas Tech is a conference game. Pitt and ACC are only doing 1 OOC game. You're not very bright are you. The regional realignment should have been done 20 plus years ago.

Mississippi's governor zings Big Ten, Pac-12 for postponing football seasons

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Nonsense
People looking for perfection where there is none.

 

[oceantide83]

What if corona virus cases are worse in Lubbock than Pittsburgh? It is such a farce to travel to play conference only games as if somehow they are more safe than traveling to play non-conference games.

 

[Buckaineer]

Agree with the premise of the article. If some schools are going to go ahead and play during a pandemic, then it doesn't make lots of sense to have teams flying all over the place and possibly creating more risk.

Makes alot of sense to have more regional play for everyone and forget about the conference monikers.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Goes against everything in college football.

Every school has a different idea of a perfect Conference. Some schools may want you but you don't want them.

Even within individual fanbases you have disagreement.

Always about who has more power. Conferences are established because of power.
So every conference im itself is perfect at that moment. Schools are going to determine what is best for them.


If they felt like it was travel like we see with G5 schools you could see this happen.
But it is about money. Not spending as much.

Larger schools for the most part don't have to worry about that..

Travel even across the country isn't a huge expense for them.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Agree with the premise of the article. If some schools are going to go ahead and play during a pandemic, then it doesn't make lots of sense to have teams flying all over the place and possibly creating more risk.

Makes alot of sense to have more regional play for everyone and forget about the conference monikers.

Flying doesnt create much of a risk. They charter a plane, and fly together...they arent on a commercial flight.

They will still fly in regional play...with the exception of Pitt.

If they played PSU, they would fly, ect.

So what's the real risk if WVU flys to Ames, two regions with low numbers, compared to WVU going somewhere regional, such Maryland which has higher numbers?

 

[WVUALLEN]

What if corona virus cases are worse in Lubbock than Pittsburgh? It is such a farce to travel to play conference only games as if somehow they are more safe than traveling to play non-conference games.

Because we are not in the ACC and never will be.

WVU is a Big 12 team. They must play conference games or don't

 

[oceantide83]

Because we are not in the ACC and never will be.

WVU is a Big 12 team. They must play conference games or don't

That's not what my argument is about. It could have been in reference to Alabama, Ohio State, or any other non-conference team. It's about the absurdity of canceling OOC games and thinking they somehow pose more of a risk than traveling to in-conference games. If in conference games are going to be played, OOC games should not have been cancelled. Playing half baked schedules and cancelling the national championship makes the season pretty meaningless. I guess if you enjoy watching live scrimmages, you'll be able to get some enjoyment out of it.

 

[tOSUGrad90]

Requiring conference only schedules is about control and perceived security, Oceantide. Conferences may establish testing and tracing protocols that are more stringent than those followed by other conferences. For example, the Big 12 may require that conference players be tested 2-3 times/week, but the Ohio Valley Conference may have no requirements, and a school like Eastern Kentucky may only test its players once/month for financial reasons.

 

[WVUALLEN]

That's not what my argument is about. It could have been in reference to Alabama, Ohio State, or any other non-conference team. It's about the absurdity of canceling OOC games and thinking they somehow pose more of a risk than traveling to in-conference games. If in conference games are going to be played, OOC games should not have been cancelled. Playing half baked schedules and cancelling the national championship makes the season pretty meaningless. I guess if you enjoy watching live scrimmages, you'll be able to get some enjoyment out of it.

WVU didn't cancel their OOC games. FSU and Maryland are the ones that backed out. Big 12 would be playing 12 games had the other conferences decided to play. Pitt chose Miami of Ohio and not WVU. The ACC chose a +1 format they chose Jacksonville State. SEC chose to play conference only or Florida would be playing FSU.

WVU will have 6 home games.

But I agree. If they are playing 10 why not 12. Is there a difference between 12 and 10 when it comes to a virus?

I'm still not sold the season will be played.

 

[Buckaineer]

Being in a closed space in very close proximity to others GREATLY increases the chances of contracting COVID. Flying on a plane is the definition of what you shouldn't be doing. People have to sit right next to one another for long periods of time.

For WVU that's going to be most of the time. At least on a bus you could open windows, may have stops to get out and so forth.

PSU might be a flight, but it would be about a half hour flight. Texas Tech might be two hours and two bus rides.

Also geographic areas are more likely to have similar responses to the disease. ie Texas due to politics is open wide up anything goes--people should be willing to die for the economy, where another area might take a more scientific, safe approach to protecting human life.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Being in a closed space in very close proximity to others GREATLY increases the chances of contracting COVID. Flying on a plane is the definition of what you shouldn't be doing. People have to sit right next to one another for long periods of time.

For WVU that's going to be most of the time. At least on a bus you could open windows, may have stops to get out and so forth.

PSU might be a flight, but it would be about a half hour flight. Texas Tech might be two hours and two bus rides.

Also geographic areas are more likely to have similar responses to the disease. ie Texas due to politics is open wide up anything goes--people should be willing to die for the economy, where another area might take a more scientific, safe approach to protecting human life.

Its been a long time since I've been on a charter bus. Do the windows even open? I kinda assume they don't for liability and consistent heating/ cooling of the vehicle.

They aren't taking a school bus.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Being in a closed space in very close proximity to others GREATLY increases the chances of contracting COVID. Flying on a plane is the definition of what you shouldn't be doing. People have to sit right next to one another for long periods of time.

For WVU that's going to be most of the time. At least on a bus you could open windows, may have stops to get out and so forth.

PSU might be a flight, but it would be about a half hour flight. Texas Tech might be two hours and two bus rides.

Also geographic areas are more likely to have similar responses to the disease. ie Texas due to politics is open wide up anything goes--people should be willing to die for the economy, where another area might take a more scientific, safe approach to protecting human life.

You live halfway between reality and fantasy all the time.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

You live halfway between reality and fantasy all the time.

He's has never had any responsibility in life...so eating cans of cream corn in his attic and pretending it gives him virtue, fills the emptiness of never being functional.

He believes his fear is his virtue.

 

[Buckaineer]

They have to get to events somehow, since some are trying to push play before its really safe to do so. Flying on a plane--not safe.

Would be better for lots of schools including WVU if they didn't have to travel across the country to Covid hotspots for play.

Some don't care? Shows how little you regard other peoples health and well being and nothing more.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

They have to get to events somehow, since some are trying to push play before its really safe to do so. Flying on a plane--not safe.

Would be better for lots of schools including WVU if they didn't have to travel across the country to Covid hotspots for play.

Some don't care? Shows how little you regard other peoples health and well being and nothing more.

The players and the parents of the players want to play football.

Are you saying you know what is best for them, more than themselves and parents?

Why do you hate our players parents?

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Battle of Attrition.

What schools are going to tap out. These football coaches are very practical. They understand problems and attempting to prevent them.

All of these programs are making sure that their players stay on the field

If you can't. You lose.

Kicked off to the side of the road.
Thunderdome Football

 

[WVUALLEN]

They have to get to events somehow, since some are trying to push play before its really safe to do so. Flying on a plane--not safe.

Would be better for lots of schools including WVU if they didn't have to travel across the country to Covid hotspots for play.

Some don't care? Shows how little you regard other peoples health and well being and nothing more.

Are not mask suppose to be the liberal left savior? Are these not the protector of the virus according to the left. Mask up and live!

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

I don't think mask are political in anyway


Ultimately comes down to personal responsibility.
Like with anything in life.

We all makes choices and things can change based on the choices we make.

We decide our lives and not anyone else.


The issue is that some want these things forced.
Government shouldn't be your Daddy.
People should be grown men and make these choice for themselves.


But having a football game and allowing people to watch who are social distancing and wearing proper protection isn't the worse of things. .

It is about taking a chance and not giving up on the season unless you are forced to.
Each of these schools and conferences have a certain point.
But they decide as players if they want to have a season or not. They are in total control of their lives


In regards to what people in Texas speak about.


It is personal responsibility.

The #1 tenet of having small government.

Friedrich Hayek, a Nobel laureate in economics, explained in his 1960 work, The Constitution of Liberty, “a free society will not function or maintain itself unless its members regard it as right that each individual occupy the position that results from his action and accept it as due to his own action.”

https://www.libertarianism.org/topics/responsibility

 

[westsiderSJHS77]

The ACC put a stop to even the smallest chance that WVU and Pitt could play when they announced they would play in conference plus one out of conference but within the school’s state. It allows the Clemson USC game, etc.

 

[Buckaineer]

The problem with the mask theory of not wearing one if you don't want to?

Each time you speak, breath, you emit particles from your mouth--if you have the disease you spread it out from yourself. That is what masks are for--to prevent YOU from spreading it to other people.

You can infect other people with Coronavirus. That is how others are infected. Doesn't matter if you think you personally won't get it if you don't wear a mask--you can have the virus and may not even know it, but spread it to others. Whether you think you have symptoms or not doesn't prevent others from getting severe symptoms or even dying from this serious illness.

That's a big problem with playing football. You have people coming from various places, interacting daily with various unrelated people, then getting in close contact--touching, breathing, sweating, spitting--and inevitably some will have the virus.

Many will be lucky and just have mild symptoms, but others can develop severe medical issues from this and even die.

 

[WVUALLEN]

When mask are mandated then it becomes political.

 

[tOSUGrad90]

Battle of Attrition.

What schools are going to tap out. These football coaches are very practical. They understand problems and attempting to prevent them.

All of these programs are making sure that their players stay on the field

If you can't. You lose.

Kicked off to the side of the road.
Thunderdome Football

Google the words, "sentence fragment," Chrissy. Your Marshall "education" is downright embarrassing.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

The problem with the mask theory of not wearing one if you don't want to?

Each time you speak, breath, you emit particles from your mouth--if you have the disease you spread it out from yourself. That is what masks are for--to prevent YOU from spreading it to other people.

You can infect other people with Coronavirus. That is how others are infected. Doesn't matter if you think you personally won't get it if you don't wear a mask--you can have the virus and may not even know it, but spread it to others. Whether you think you have symptoms or not doesn't prevent others from getting severe symptoms or even dying from this serious illness.

That's a big problem with playing football. You have people coming from various places, interacting daily with various unrelated people, then getting in close contact--touching, breathing, sweating, spitting--and inevitably some will have the virus.

Many will be lucky and just have mild symptoms, but others can develop severe medical issues from this and even die.

Wow - thanks for that incredible information. Viruses spread from people to people, we never knew that before.

BTW, Masks do not prevent you from being infected or infecting someone else. They simply lower the transmission rate - so they certainly do help.

They lower risk, but not prevent or eliminate risk.

Everything else you stated is true for nearly any virus. What do you think happens to severely ill people in nursing homes when they get flu or pnuemonia?

 

[WVUALLEN]

The problem with the mask theory of not wearing one if you don't want to?

Each time you speak, breath, you emit particles from your mouth--if you have the disease you spread it out from yourself. That is what masks are for--to prevent YOU from spreading it to other people.

You can infect other people with Coronavirus. That is how others are infected. Doesn't matter if you think you personally won't get it if you don't wear a mask--you can have the virus and may not even know it, but spread it to others. Whether you think you have symptoms or not doesn't prevent others from getting severe symptoms or even dying from this serious illness.

That's a big problem with playing football. You have people coming from various places, interacting daily with various unrelated people, then getting in close contact--touching, breathing, sweating, spitting--and inevitably some will have the virus.

Many will be lucky and just have mild symptoms, but others can develop severe medical issues from this and even die.

In the United States, attributable deaths have been most common in adults aged 85 years or older (10%-27%), followed by adults aged 65-84 years (3%-11%), adults aged 55-64 years (1%-3%), and adults aged 20-54 years (< 1%).

 

[WVUALLEN]

Writer Patrick Conn of Longhorn wire wants WVU booted and replaced by SMU. Then add Nebraska and Houston for 12. Man I knew Texas hated getting their *** whipped in Austin but didn't know it was that bad.

The North Division
Iowa State Cyclones
Kansas Jayhawks
Kansas State Wildcats
Nebraska Cornhuskers
Oklahoma Sooners
Oklahoma State Cowboys

The Texas Division:
Baylor Bears
Houston Cougars
Southern Methodist Mustangs
Texas Longhorns
Texas Christian Horned Frogs
Texas Tech Red Raiders


Crazy. I guess WVU would go independent.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

That was something put out there by ESPN

Still think it is on the NCAAF page on ESPN.

Not going to happen. G5 confefences are going to become more regional.
P5 conferences more national

Going to see a change in the CUSA and SunBelt.

LA Tech and UL Monroe are miles from each other
Same as UTSA and Texas State
No need for schools who are on the same level to be that close and in different conferences.
UL Lafayette pretty much said there is zero reason to travel to Boone, NC to get the same revenue as they can get for a TX, LA, MS and Arkansas conference.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

But you have this stupid arrogance
SunBelt is the same level. CUSA isn't anywhere close to the AAC

 

[WVUALLEN]

But you have this stupid arrogance
SunBelt is the same level. CUSA isn't anywhere close to the AAC

Talking to yourself again?

 

[WVUALLEN]

That was something put out there by ESPN

Still think it is on the NCAAF page on ESPN.

Not going to happen. G5 confefences are going to become more regional.
P5 conferences more national

Going to see a change in the CUSA and SunBelt.

LA Tech and UL Monroe are miles from each other
Same as UTSA and Texas State
No need for schools who are on the same level to be that close and in different conferences.
UL Lafayette pretty much said there is zero reason to travel to Boone, NC to get the same revenue as they can get for a TX, LA, MS and Arkansas conference.

Ivan Maisel never said a word about SMU.

["Hey, here’s a great idea during a pandemic: Let’s have West Virginia fly 1,400 miles to play a Big 12 game at Texas Tech on Oct. 24, but let’s not allow West Virginia to play Pittsburgh. After all, the Panthers, 75 miles away, are in the ACC.
Before the Pac-12 broke the emergency glass on its 2020 season, the conference approved of Colorado flying 1,300 miles to play at Washington but thought it too risky for the Buffaloes to drive 100 miles to play at Colorado State.
And there’s Nebraska, which a decade ago sued for divorce from the Big 12 (née Big Eight), dissolving a marriage consummated in 1928 to grab the money and security and money and money offered by the Big Ten. Last week the Big Ten told Nebraska it couldn’t play football this fall, which went over in the Cornhusker State like, oh, I don’t know, stalk rot."]

https://longhornswire.usatoday.com/...onference-college-football-playoff-expansion/

Patrick Conn
August 23, 2020 6:50 pm

For instance any Big 12 team traveling to Morgantown, West Virginia doesn’t seem like the best move. So in the interest of shaking things up, we look at how the Big 12 could expand.

The North Division
Iowa State Cyclones
Kansas Jayhawks
Kansas State Wildcats
Nebraska Cornhuskers
Oklahoma Sooners
Oklahoma State Cowboys

The Texas Division:
Baylor Bears
Houston Cougars
Southern Methodist Mustangs
Texas Longhorns
Texas Christian Horned Frogs
Texas Tech Red Raiders

The north division returns in the expansion of the Big 12 Conference with a bit of a twist. The Oklahoma Sooners move over to the new look north. Prior to Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and Texas A&M heading for greener pastures, Oklahoma was part of the six-team south. However, they move to the north along with Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Kansas and Kansas State. We add a new team to the mix in place of West Virginia.

The West Virginia Mountaineers are actually closer in proximity to the ACC so the Big 12 could look to add back to the north, Nebraska. The Cornhuskers obviously don’t seem content with the decisions of the Big Ten. Completely speculative on our part. However, a return to the Big 12 would help bring back the conference to 12 teams once again.

(seems the longhorn clown forgot the ACC said no to WVU)

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Your reading comprehension is horrible

I see how you are easily confused

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...now-reconsider-college-conference-realignment

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

All those places like SB Nation, Fanside, The Athletic or SI always have someone there to create content.

Never do any of those sites have anyone connected with the university
Just someone who piggybacks off of someone else's work or creates an article from something on Twitter.

I don't pay attention to any of those sites for information about any college team.