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<blockquote data-quote="Buckaineer" data-source="post: 131488491" data-attributes="member: 1428007"><p><strong>Did NB "KNOW" his Def would hold UT to 17?</strong></p><p></p><p>No, but as head coach who has a defense playing well, he sure shouldn't be guessing that they would not. When points are available you score what you can when you can. You don't throw away a win because maybe the other team might score again when the play in the game wasn't showing that to be likely.</p><p></p><p><strong>People are upset we are competing, and not appreciative NB has us competing. </strong></p><p></p><p>Hogwash. WVU isn't "competing" now better than they were with the previous staff. Take last year--so far Neal Browns worst. The running game was 3rd worst in ALL of college football. WVU scored 14 or less pts in 5 games they lost, and just 17 in another loss. They managed just 20 pts in 2 more games--1 a 7 point win against an fcs team at home. Brown tied the longest losing streak in WVU history and nearly broke it.</p><p></p><p>Compare that to the worst year DH ever had--2 games scoring under 14 points. 2 games scoring under 17.</p><p>They lost to Oklahoma at OK by a score of 7-16. Brown lost to Oklahoma last year 52-14.</p><p>The running game for WVU in 2013 wasn't 3rd last in the NCAA div 1. Charles Sims was one of the top 100 rushers in the country that year. They were around 80th in the nation rushing. Dh's final year the team was literally 4 pts from playing in the BIG 12 championship game.</p><p></p><p><strong>Considering what he inherited, its miraculous NB has this team in a position to win. </strong></p><p></p><p>More nonsense. WVU returned many starters. WVU was coming off a BIG 12 finish where they were within POINTS of playing for the BIG 12 championship. Many players with experience returned and NEAL BROWN pushed them out. 20 plus players--some of those were talented starters. He inherited a program that had won 7 or more games in EVERY year since joining the BIG 12 except one. And promptly won only 5 games with a team coming off year with a top 10 offense and mere points from a BIG 12 championship. And many of the players Brown played HE brought in.</p><p></p><p><strong>FACT: Even if Dabo & Staff started last year, it would still take them 5 years+ to get the results we seek.</strong></p><p></p><p>Here's the problem, you just laid out a hypothetical situation above, and called it a fact. This illustrates that you do not even understand what a fact is. Your sentence above you MADE UP, with 0 corroborating evidence. It doesn't resemble a fact, it is in fact a BASELESS OPINION.</p><p></p><p><strong>Doege, no matter what people say about his 300 yards, is BARELY serviceable at QB. </strong></p><p></p><p>Let me ask--(and I know the answer)--WHO brought in Doege? And why has Doege and his receivers appeared to decline from last year to this year?</p><p></p><p><strong>Recruiting</strong></p><p></p><p>Brown is recruiting around the same pace or lower than the previous staff. ESPN shows WVU currently at #37 in the nation for 2021. 5th in the 10 team BIG 12 at the moment. WVU's last class under Holgorsen was ranked 35th in the nation by ESPN and 6th in the BIG 12.</p><p></p><p> <strong>If by the 5th year when the 2020 class are upperclassmen, if we are still experiencing offensive issues, then Ill join you</strong></p><p></p><p>If Brown still has WVU underperforming offensively next year, and is coming off two losing or a losing and a mediocre season? His third year will be heavily scrutinized. Another two seasons after that may be a long shot if a winning season isn't the result, don't kid yourself. These people aren't amongst the highest paid public employees in the state to "experience offensive issues"., but to win. Since winning the second most games in WVU history by any coach against the toughest schedules ever played wasn't good enough for most to appreciate Holgorsen, why would anyone think losing three years or LOL five years in a row is going to cut it? It won't.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Buckaineer, post: 131488491, member: 1428007"] [B]Did NB "KNOW" his Def would hold UT to 17?[/B] No, but as head coach who has a defense playing well, he sure shouldn't be guessing that they would not. When points are available you score what you can when you can. You don't throw away a win because maybe the other team might score again when the play in the game wasn't showing that to be likely. [B]People are upset we are competing, and not appreciative NB has us competing. [/B] Hogwash. WVU isn't "competing" now better than they were with the previous staff. Take last year--so far Neal Browns worst. The running game was 3rd worst in ALL of college football. WVU scored 14 or less pts in 5 games they lost, and just 17 in another loss. They managed just 20 pts in 2 more games--1 a 7 point win against an fcs team at home. Brown tied the longest losing streak in WVU history and nearly broke it. Compare that to the worst year DH ever had--2 games scoring under 14 points. 2 games scoring under 17. They lost to Oklahoma at OK by a score of 7-16. Brown lost to Oklahoma last year 52-14. The running game for WVU in 2013 wasn't 3rd last in the NCAA div 1. Charles Sims was one of the top 100 rushers in the country that year. They were around 80th in the nation rushing. Dh's final year the team was literally 4 pts from playing in the BIG 12 championship game. [B]Considering what he inherited, its miraculous NB has this team in a position to win. [/B] More nonsense. WVU returned many starters. WVU was coming off a BIG 12 finish where they were within POINTS of playing for the BIG 12 championship. Many players with experience returned and NEAL BROWN pushed them out. 20 plus players--some of those were talented starters. He inherited a program that had won 7 or more games in EVERY year since joining the BIG 12 except one. And promptly won only 5 games with a team coming off year with a top 10 offense and mere points from a BIG 12 championship. And many of the players Brown played HE brought in. [B]FACT: Even if Dabo & Staff started last year, it would still take them 5 years+ to get the results we seek.[/B] Here's the problem, you just laid out a hypothetical situation above, and called it a fact. This illustrates that you do not even understand what a fact is. Your sentence above you MADE UP, with 0 corroborating evidence. It doesn't resemble a fact, it is in fact a BASELESS OPINION. [B]Doege, no matter what people say about his 300 yards, is BARELY serviceable at QB. [/B] Let me ask--(and I know the answer)--WHO brought in Doege? And why has Doege and his receivers appeared to decline from last year to this year? [B]Recruiting[/B] Brown is recruiting around the same pace or lower than the previous staff. ESPN shows WVU currently at #37 in the nation for 2021. 5th in the 10 team BIG 12 at the moment. WVU's last class under Holgorsen was ranked 35th in the nation by ESPN and 6th in the BIG 12. [B]If by the 5th year when the 2020 class are upperclassmen, if we are still experiencing offensive issues, then Ill join you[/B] If Brown still has WVU underperforming offensively next year, and is coming off two losing or a losing and a mediocre season? His third year will be heavily scrutinized. Another two seasons after that may be a long shot if a winning season isn't the result, don't kid yourself. These people aren't amongst the highest paid public employees in the state to "experience offensive issues"., but to win. Since winning the second most games in WVU history by any coach against the toughest schedules ever played wasn't good enough for most to appreciate Holgorsen, why would anyone think losing three years or LOL five years in a row is going to cut it? It won't. [/QUOTE]
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