No, you’re fine. It was actually on me for not asking earlier. I’ve probably debated you a few times on this topic and never stopped to ask. I’d also like Pope to get his first options. I don’t know that’s sustainable, but it’s hard to argue it’d be nice
Show the player by player breakdown confirmed by UK. Go ahead...not "rumored to have spent"....go ahead
NBA type players are not going to play in a systemWhy would top recruits NOT want to play for him? Is he farting during in-home visits?
I’ve been saying this for a while. The problem is not NIL with recruiting elite talent. The guys that believe they are NBA bound are not going to a system.
No. I just showed you 12 sources that confirmed the $22 million. You asked for those sources and I provided them.
Meaning when they say "reportedly spent" or "rumored to have spent" you slurp it down like runny cream of wheat
Exactly. Collins was at the table with pen in hand. Something spooked him and it wasn’t like he all of a sudden said, “Wait I just realized you are a different person than the one that’s been recruiting me for a year”.
And that he didn’t know the guy’s personality within the first five minutes he started recruiting him over a year ago?
No. When someone calls me a clown for supporting Pope and saying I do not believe $22M whatsoever, I let them know they are a ship jumper with no loyalty
I'm not sure but it could be that everyone is just repeating what the Herald Leader reported without any detailed clarification. The disconnect seems to be in asking kids to sign away all NIL rights to JMI. It is being reported UK is the only one doing that. So it may be true that the players got 22 million up front but because of the the JMI structure UK may not actually be out even half of that when all is said and done. It would depend on the deals they are getting to recoup that expense and subsequently cutting the players out of. By the same respect other schools collectives may have less out up front but the deals the players (agents or reps) are able to get on their own puts the player's total compensation much higher while not going back into the schools or collectives coffers.
1000%. Recruiting is the most important aspect of college sports. We gave the keys to the best program to a guy who wasn’t proven.
I think the issue with the money isn't the amount necessarily (in this case the 22 mil certainly looks like it was spent poorly) but the restrictions that are now necessarily placed on any player signing with us making the amount we negotiate more of a hard cap. Also, the 22 mil was prior to the JMI contract so we'll see if a similar dollar amount remains available going forward. But it sounds like some of the issue might be that the top players want more flexibility in their ability to market themselves and I have no doubt that in the hypercompetitive world of basketball recruiting that if we constrain what players are able to do marketing-wise in any way that is more restrictive than other schools - that will be put on blast mode by every school we are going against in a recruiting battle.
It relevant to whether pope is the right guy. Let’s use the jmi theory that’s it’s just now beginning. Pope couldn’t pull recruits to byu, couldn’t pull them to UK the first two years or up until now. We paid 22 million this year for a bunch of 6th men. So the money is there and everything I read about JMI makes it more of a problem for football because it doesn’t prevent finding more money for recruits. So I think it’s one of those it sucks for football so we must make it suck for bb. If you’re mark pope and you have stokes for instance there should be no bounds for what we might pay. No one can point to what the problem is in the contract that is hurting basketball.
Too late! The cat (pun intended) is totally out of the bag and is scratching up the new furniture!
I mean, Pope leaves BYU, and voila, they start landing studs! UK was landing studs, hires Pope, and voila, the studs go elsewhere!
Not speaking for that fan, but I’m pretty sure he meant 1st option/ 2nd option vs. 1st tier/ 2nd tier.
Pope being retained a 3rd season after everything that has, and will transpire, is about as close to zero, without actually being zero, that could possibly be!
What can be done mid-season though? Other than just beginning talks with other coaches.
Joker isn’t being fired after 2 years- gone
Boosters will be livid if Pope ends up in the NIT. In that scenario I imagine it would be a 50:50 chance that Pope is heavily encouraged to resign at the end of the year. A losing season, which is looking ever more likely as we keep losing, would cause boosters to blow a gasket knowing they spent Ohio State football money on a record-breaking season for all the wrong reasons. I don’t understand any scenario where he’d be brought back with that kind of disaster.
I think Pope will need to show that some improvement is being made. I think an all systems failure with no sign of hope or improvement would likely end this before a year three. That’s no inside scoop, just reading the fanbase and assuming. However, if people believe he will get a third year or if people aren’t ready to fire the coach yet, can’t we just agree to disagree and get along? We all love the same school and want the same dominance, maybe have a slightly different view of how to get there.
While likely being true in this instance this sounds vaguely anti-Semitic and maybe it was meant as such
He’ll probably get another year if he somehow makes it to the tournament despite the adversity. But every loss pulls us closer and closer to not even making the NIT, much less the NCAA tournament.
It’s an annoyance with this stuff. If you don’t produce at any SEC program you will be fired. Kentucky is the only place the AD will let you even be average joe and remain. Maybe Missouri, MSST. But we are definitely the only blue blood in football or basketball that will tolerate it at all. and even then, if you suck completely, you will be fired or forced out in some way. Yet we constantly see this idea time in and time out that “they’re not going anywhere” and it’s never held up yet, the same ones do this here over and over. They never learn how this works. So not a huge deal just an annoyance at this point.
Don't even understand how someone could make the argument otherwise. Superman could laser out Batman's face and that would be the end of that.
I feel you but the fans who are on the fence are not at fault for how the year is going. It’s a bad year for everyone, so I’d just ask you to understand where those people are coming from. Your view is the dominant view by a wide margin, there’s no need to pick up guns against the small huddle of people who need more time to give up hope.
I think reasonable minds can differ on certain things. I’ve found you to be pretty fair minded in the past and respect your opinion. Of course, what one person may feel is absolutely certain, another person may not. I can tell you I am passionate like you are. In my mind, I struggle with getting frustrated with people when it comes to roster construction. In my mind, some things are very, very, very obvious and other people just will never agree. I try to make it a point to be as persuasive and specific as I can, but also extend the olive branch, understanding that people can differ on these things reasonably. So I absolutely understand where you’re coming from with the frustration—- sometimes it just helps to think from the other viewpoint even if you don’t accept it. Makes the people seem less like enemies and more like fellow fans with a different perspective.
Thinking differently is fine as long as it’s under parameters that make sense. Maintaining a dead duck coach at an SEC program isn’t going to happen. So many of the same group have said over and over “cal ain’t leaving”, “Stoops isn’t leaving”
Ala, how almost every NBA roster is constructed... two or three key guys and then enough good enoughs to fill out the roster.
