To all the delusional state fans

[Daledog]

After reading post after post by morons like coach34/todd4state etc regarding stansbury, I finally decided to make a screenname and actually post on here. I only want to make one point: Who can we bring in that will be more successful? Generally speaking, people take jobs for 3 reasons: 1. location 2. prestige 3.money.
State is lacking in all three:
1. Location: For the most part, nobody outside of Mississippi wants to move to Mississippi and especially not Starkville (home of strip malls and fast food restaurants). Don't get me wrong I love both Starkville and MS butit hasabsolutely no outside appeal.
2. Prestige:State is not exactly a dynasty, 10 NCAA tournament appearances ever....(BTW, Stans has 6 of those). In addition, SEC is the 4th to 5th best conference in the country. It's not like football, where the chance to coach in the SEC is a big selling point.
3. Money: MSU has one of the smallest athletic budgets of the 4th to 5th best conference. We will never be able to offer big time money to a coach.
I'm tired of hearing"we dont need to settle on medicocrity" and all the other cliches fromall the Stans haters. Youhad one too many inspirational posters in your room when you were in high school. You need to realize that Stans has brought a terrible basketball program tremendous success and firing him will result in either 2 things: 1. we bring in a worse coach and we don't compete at all(please see the other SECwest basketball programs)or 2. we bring in a successful coach that leaves after 2 years for bigger and better things (please see Greg Byrne) and then we don't compete at all. </p>

 

[Daledog]

After reading post after post by morons like coach34/todd4state etc regarding stansbury, I finally decided to make a screenname and actually post on here. I only want to make one point: Who can we bring in that will be more successful? Generally speaking, people take jobs for 3 reasons: 1. location 2. prestige 3.money.
State is lacking in all three:
1. Location: For the most part, nobody outside of Mississippi wants to move to Mississippi and especially not Starkville (home of strip malls and fast food restaurants). Don't get me wrong I love both Starkville and MS butit hasabsolutely no outside appeal.
2. Prestige:State is not exactly a dynasty, 10 NCAA tournament appearances ever....(BTW, Stans has 6 of those). In addition, SEC is the 4th to 5th best conference in the country. It's not like football, where the chance to coach in the SEC is a big selling point.
3. Money: MSU has one of the smallest athletic budgets of the 4th to 5th best conference. We will never be able to offer big time money to a coach.
I'm tired of hearing"we dont need to settle on medicocrity" and all the other cliches fromall the Stans haters. Youhad one too many inspirational posters in your room when you were in high school. You need to realize that Stans has brought a terrible basketball program tremendous success and firing him will result in either 2 things: 1. we bring in a worse coach and we don't compete at all(please see the other SECwest basketball programs)or 2. we bring in a successful coach that leaves after 2 years for bigger and better things (please see Greg Byrne) and then we don't compete at all. </p>

 

[Daledog]

After reading post after post by morons like coach34/todd4state etc regarding stansbury, I finally decided to make a screenname and actually post on here. I only want to make one point: Who can we bring in that will be more successful? Generally speaking, people take jobs for 3 reasons: 1. location 2. prestige 3.money.
State is lacking in all three:
1. Location: For the most part, nobody outside of Mississippi wants to move to Mississippi and especially not Starkville (home of strip malls and fast food restaurants). Don't get me wrong I love both Starkville and MS butit hasabsolutely no outside appeal.
2. Prestige:State is not exactly a dynasty, 10 NCAA tournament appearances ever....(BTW, Stans has 6 of those). In addition, SEC is the 4th to 5th best conference in the country. It's not like football, where the chance to coach in the SEC is a big selling point.
3. Money: MSU has one of the smallest athletic budgets of the 4th to 5th best conference. We will never be able to offer big time money to a coach.
I'm tired of hearing"we dont need to settle on medicocrity" and all the other cliches fromall the Stans haters. Youhad one too many inspirational posters in your room when you were in high school. You need to realize that Stans has brought a terrible basketball program tremendous success and firing him will result in either 2 things: 1. we bring in a worse coach and we don't compete at all(please see the other SECwest basketball programs)or 2. we bring in a successful coach that leaves after 2 years for bigger and better things (please see Greg Byrne) and then we don't compete at all. </p>

 

[MSUCosmo]

Enjoyed reading it.

 

[MSUCostanza]

[No message]

 

[HotMop]

to follow up your best post ever. Way to add something Cosmo.

 

[KentuckyDawg13]

"You need to realize that Stans has brought a terrible basketball program tremendous success"

Funny, I seem to remember some success pre-Stans.

STFU.

 

[spacecataz]

This guy knows his ****, y'all!

 

[Rabid]

Other than the Bailey Howell era, what little success we had was under Richard Williams and that was due to players that Stansbury brought in.

Before Stans, Richard Williams didn't even believe that we could get the top players in the state so he didn't even try.

Stansbury changed that perception and it has led to the level of success that some short-sighted people have tired of.

 

[Indndawg]

wow, hope you didn't hurt yourself w/that stretch

 

[dawgbydesign]

Posters with 9000+ posts are officially allowed to piss on anyone's parade without ramifications.

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

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[Beretta.sixpack]

Prestige? of course its the 17ing SEC......as far as the rest of the nation is concerned, that sucks, and its all parity....but when you are recruiting kids for the most part in the SE part of the USA, well, the SEC is THE S E C.......more than ACC, Big 12, CUSA, etc.....perception is reality.......regardless of what the current state of SEC basketball is compared to the rest of the country.....

and pay? if I remember correctly, stans is not the lowest paid coach in the SEC, and i think if he left, his predecessor would start out at what he is making now....


can we do better? yes

does stans deserved to be let go? no

2 more seasons like this one? yes

 

[hatfieldms]

......

 

[megadawgmaniac]

After reading post after post by morons like coach34/todd4state</p>

Todd4State:Coach34::brevity:fishwater99

AA - to help you out, good:bad

 

[KentuckyDawg13]

Never said he couldn't. The original poster stated that MSU has had little success before Stans was head coach. Final 4 in '96 is obvious under Williams. Jeff Malone days weren't bad either. Williams proved he could coach with less talented players, see '91 SEC championship. Stans can get talent, just has a hard time developing it and taking the program to the next level. MSU was knocking on the door of being a perennial powerhouse in the mid 90s and he we are 15 years later being frustrated by lackluster play. With the talent MSU had this year, not making the NCAA is just unacceptable. While MSU was totally screwed on the selection, for that scenario to play out this season is unacceptable.

I won't even go into the transfers that routinely occur under Stans. Unacceptable. With a new AD, maybe he will see the level of mediocrity and enlighten expectations to beyond divisional SEC champs, which means ****.

 

[beachbumdawg]

this cant do **** attitude because we are poor little ms state.....f_uck that, if you dont want to dream big and strive for excellence and demand excellence....there will NEVER be any f_uckingexcellence/success at this damn institution.....

 

[vhdawg]

....I don't think I've ever confused Coach34's opinion with Todd4State's.

 

[The Maroons]

There is no excuse for settling with mediocrity. Our success/failure is a direct resultof every MSU fan, MSU graduate,Starkville resident, and Mississippi resident's support for our institution, athletics, and community. If we were to fill the seats at every sporting event, sell out concerts, keep investing in events like the cotton district arts festival, work with the entire golden triangle to increase business opportunities in the area, and please please please clean up highway 25 & 82 so that visitors and pull into town without feeling the need to lock their doors.

Most of these subjects are moving in the right direction, but at a snails pace. If there was ever a time to act it is now. I'm tired of hearing all this talk about people stopping their donations, etc. You keep that mindset and see where that get's the poorest school in the SEC.

Where your Maroon proudly, donate as much as you canto the institution that has given you the best (ok, and some of the worst)memories of your lifetime, and damnit make your voice heard. Email the president, coaches,associate AD, etc.and do it five times a day. MSU can be as great as we want it to be, and I know it is a damn hard time to be optimistic right now but if we don't act know then you can go ahead and pack Mullen, Cohen, and Stans bags for them.

Long live the Maroons.

 

[patdog]

Jeff Malone days weren't bad either.

How many NCAAs did we go to then? How many NITs? I'll save you the trouble. The answer is 0 and 0.

MSU was knocking on the door of being a perennial powerhouse in the mid 90s

We were? We make 1 NCAA tournament in 91 and lose in the 1st round, then don't even make the tournament again until 1995. After our 95-96 run, we then proceeded to miss even the NIT in both 97 and 98.That says"one fluke group of great players" a lot more than it says"perennial powerhouse."

The original poster stated that MSU has had little success before Stans was head coach.

3 NCAA tournament appearances in 35 years says that the original poster was right.

 

[MidTNDawg]

Other than the Bailey Howell era, what little success we had was under Richard Williams and that was due to players that Stansbury brought in.

Before Stans, Richard Williams didn't even believe that we could get the top players in the state so he didn't even try.

Stansbury changed that perception and it has led to the level of success that some short-sighted people have tired of.

Bailey was a part of it. It lasted longer than Bailey's era. Unfortunately Babe left for similar reason to R.W.'s departure.

 

[onewoof]

1) Location. Believe it or not some coaches like the slower paced quiet home country life in a generally warm climate, in a town with not many people or trafficin it.

2) Dynasty. Believe it or not some coaches like to be competitive each yearwithout having unrealistic expectations with ultra high visibility and pressure packed head coaching jobs placed upon them.

3) Money. Believe it or not some coaches are happy with pulling in theupper 6 figures.

In other words, 17 Calapari and Roy.

 

[Todd4State]

I told vh yesterday how I try to avoid any basketball threads with Coach34 in them, although I do have some moments where I just can't help it.

For the record, I want Stansbury to stay and think he has done a pretty good job. Those that disagree with me, oh well.

 

[Rabid]

The Babe McCarthy era , the Richard Williams w/ Rick Stansbury era and the Rick Stansbury era are pretty much it when it comes to MSU basketball success.

There are a few exceptions, but not very many.

 

[RipleyReb.sixpack]

but somebody start naming names on who would be better. As a Reb fan, I hear the same crap about Kennedy from unhappy OM fans. Just lookat the facility AK gets to recruit to. He's wonover 80 games in 4 years, though no NCAA's, and people want to run him off. OM can't afford to go and get a mid-major guy who might fail. Then we'll be further behind then we already are. Can State afford to take that chance?

 

[Coach34]

The Babe McCarthy era , the Richard Williams w/ Rick Stansbury era and the Rick Stansbury era are pretty much it when it comes to MSU basketball success.

There are a few exceptions, but not very many.

South Carolina, Auburn, and Mississippi...they have even less success than we have. And until 1999, Florida only had 1 more appearance in the NCAA's than us. Amazing what hiring the right coach can do for your program.

 

[Rabid]

And you will never get a reasonable answer to your question. It has been asked many times. These guys were hoping that Greg Byrne could use his magic ninja power to get us a better coach. Now, the Ninja is gone but their stupidity remains.

 

[Thick]

something different because our basketball coach is such a winner in a ****** division in a ****** conference. Only coaches in 3-4 games a year, and loses 3-5 a year that he should win if he bothered to make an effort like he does in the SEC tourney. By the way, there are a lot of quality coaches out there that would move to Starkville for $1mm/yr. Sorry, I just get pissed when a so-called MSU fan makes the mediocrity comment.

 

[Coach34]

you can see that things are just not right, but you can't really pull the trigger on it.

Ask the same question- Who could we get better than Ron Polk?

And thats because people want to base the decision off what Polk had done his entire career. What Polk did in the 1980's was no longer relevant in 2004. If you look at just what Polk did in his 2nd tenure, then it's easy to see we could easily hire someone better than Polk.

Same with Stansbury, if you judge him on his entire tenure, it makes it a hard decision. But if you judge it on what he has done the last 5 years, it's easy to see that we can easily find someone that their only way to make the NCAA Tourney was to win the SEC Tourney 4 of the 5 seasons. 2004 is over and Stansbury is not getting it back. In the last 5 seasons, Stansbury had us in the NCAA Tourney 1 time heading into the SEC Tourney. That's not asking alot of a new coach if you ask me.

Kennedy is different. Kennedy has Mississippi on an upswing. Kennedy's 4 seasons are much better than the 4 seasons before his arrival. At some point he has to take the next step, but you can't deny the improvement the program has made under him to this point.

 

[Rabid]

South Carolina, Auburn, and Mississippi...they have even less success than we have. And until 1999, Florida only had 1 more appearance in the NCAA's than us. Amazing what hiring the right coach can do for your program.

Our location, facilities and budget is comparable to Florida's.

I can't believe you typed that dumb ****. Wait ... yes I can.

 

[Coach34]

"Our location, facilities and budget is comparable to Florida's"


So did Fla get a better location, facility, and budget starting in 1999? Because, as I told your 17'ing dumbass, they only had <span style="text-decoration:underline">1 more NCAA appearance</span> than we did before 1999.

I'm willing to bet anything you'd like their location was better than ours in 1998. Facilities better in 1998? Yep. Budget in 1998 and before? Yep

Idiot

 

[SLUdog]

and a really close bubble team this year...essentially .2 seconds away from the NCAAT? I am disappointed in what the underachievement this year, but there's nothing that can be done to Rick Stansbury as our coach until he actually has a really bad season. I really believe that COULD happen next year, but I believe we will end up around 8-8 or 9-7 again. Even if we go to the NIT again he won't be fired for that either.

 

[kingfish72]

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[Coach34]

at making the NCAA's in 2009 until we won the SEC Tourney. Just as Georgia winning the SEC Tourney the year before, stealing a bid doesnt make you a good basketball team.

We have made it 2 times in the last 5 years- with 1 time winning the SEC Tourney to get in. Should we miss it next season, thats 2 times in the last 6 years.
I just don't think thats hard to replace.

UPig- 3 times last 5 years
LSU- 2 times last 5 years
State- 2 times last 5 years
Bammer- 1 time last 5
Mississippi and Auburn- 0 times

Every other school has made a coaching change in the last 5 years except us. You would think we would stand out completely from the pack since these schools are making changes due to poor performance. But thats not the case

 

[RipleyReb.sixpack]

AK has done a good job of rebuilding the program and he continues to bring quality talent in despite the TSC. Yet I hear it everyday someone wants him gone. Ain't no way OM can afford to do that from a coaching stand point....way too risky. As long as we're making a tourney every year, most will be happy with that. The NCAA's will come, but will OM ever be a basketball power? Doubt it. If anything, people should be worried about AK wanting more and moving on.
I agree Stans has leveled off over the years, but I think State makes the NCAA's more often than not....or it seems that way. We agree on Polk, it was time. We at OM hear each year around Regional time, that Bianco needs to go. Some seem to think that a change in coaches will automatically put us in Omaha. Nobody thinks about the down side.

Sorry to be so long winded.

 

[Indndawg]

we can't do anything b/c of $ and where we be......that's the attitude that has built |MSU into consistent winners in all sports. We need more of that attitude so we stay in our place

 

[coach66]

We used to kick his team *** when he coached and played for the Sigma Chi's all the time. Hope he has improved but he couldn't handle the Kappa Sig's and old Coach66's superior scheming. Tounge in cheek, Bob was a hell of a competitior and man did he hate to loose. I am sure he is a great coach today.

 

[00Dawg]

where the requirement changed from making the NCAA's to getting an at-large bid. It's not just here; it's happening on BDJ as well. Started about the same time as we were playing well in the SECT. Coincidence?

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Rabid wrote:
Before Stans, Richard Williams didn't even believe that we could get the top players in the state so he didn't even try.

The 87 class that eventually won the SEC was almost all Mississippi players.
Cam Burns - Flora
Greg Carter - Forest
Carl Nichols - Fayette
Doug Hartsfield - Utica
Chancellor Nichols - Jackson
Joe Courtney - Jackson

Then the following year we signed Tony Watts (Rolling Fork) and Ira Peterson (Shelby), and the next year we signed Brad Smith (Mendenhall I think?).

Sure, we missed out on some great guys in those years too like Chris Jackson and Litterial Green, but we more than held our own in Mississippi prior to Stansbury arriving in 1990. I agree that it jumped up a notch then.

 

[Jackdragbean]

+1