To hell with the Economy.....lets hold a hearing on the BCS
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The question to debate would be does the BCS system unfairly distribute large sums of money to the BCS conferences. For instance, we (MSU) are guaranteed a nice chunk of change because at least one SEC MUST go to a BCS game. Utah has no such guaranty.
or other questions...
Shouldn't the BCS be able to do whatever the hell it wants with it's money?
Could smaller conferences sue the NCAA because what is basically their governing body has entered into a contract that blatantly favors other members monetarily?
Again... it could be a good topic with a lot of ways to go besides which political party screws you in the *** the hardest.
or other questions...
Shouldn't the BCS be able to do whatever the hell it wants with it's money?
Could smaller conferences sue the NCAA because what is basically their governing body has entered into a contract that blatantly favors other members monetarily?
Again... it could be a good topic with a lot of ways to go besides which political party screws you in the *** the hardest.
Personally, I would much rather they waste time on stuff like this than further 17-ing up the economy.
Actually that is a good point. I was going to say keep the government out of it, but every minute that obama spends on college football is one more minute that he isn't spending ruining our children's futures. Maybe he'll just translate his economic ideas over to college football and take all the BCS school money and give it to the SWAC. I guess that will probably do it for this thread.SanfordRJones said:
Congress should go after the BCS with anti-trust issues. It's a system that has been set up to funnel huge sums of money to half the institutions of the NCAA, and it's done tax free under the guise that college football is an educational endeavor.
And for the record, the NCAA doesn't even recognize the BCS. In fact, they don't even recognize a champion in D1 football. This entire thing might go away if the NCAA would grow a pair and set up a play off. All they would have to do is set up a revenue sharing system like the one they have for the basketball tourney. Unfortunately, there would be legal ramifications of forcing member conferences to void contracts with the BCS, but that could all be taken care of if... Congress got involved with anti-trust issues.
And for the record, the NCAA doesn't even recognize the BCS. In fact, they don't even recognize a champion in D1 football. This entire thing might go away if the NCAA would grow a pair and set up a play off. All they would have to do is set up a revenue sharing system like the one they have for the basketball tourney. Unfortunately, there would be legal ramifications of forcing member conferences to void contracts with the BCS, but that could all be taken care of if... Congress got involved with anti-trust issues.
We're talking about rights fees that come from broadcast on public airwaves, involving mainly public institutions, huge sums of money, and nobody seems to know who's in charge of it all. Who else is going to regulate it?
90% of the BCS conference members would leave the NCAA and start their own organization. As for this being an anti-trust violation, that's not the case. In fact, the small conferences have more access now to the biggest bowls (and a share of the pie even in years when one of their teams doesn't make it to one of the big bowls) under the BCS system than they ever had before.
Which is why congress needs to get involved with some sort of anti trust stuff (I'm obviously well versed in the law). It's a huge scam of a system that completely funnels money straight to the big time schools. I'm not looking for total equality, just equal opportunity. Let the conferences sign their individual TV deals for games that fall under your guidance. That's fine. However, these games have nothing to do with the NCAA other than they aren't getting compensated for what basically amounts to the use of their labor pool, and half of their labor pool is getting **** on. If they truly want to represent all their members fairly, then they need to start taking steps to get rid of the BCS. You can't just ignore a problem this big and expect it to go away.
Edit: And the NCAA actually wouldn't be making money off of a football playoff if they divided the money from the TV contract like they do for March Madness. They'd probably get ticket sales, which would be chump change, but enough to cover the costs of hosting the event. Thus, with distribution of profits to all members (sounds like a co-op), the NCAA can actually hold on to a shred of credibility when saying athletics is an educational endeavor.
Edit: And the NCAA actually wouldn't be making money off of a football playoff if they divided the money from the TV contract like they do for March Madness. They'd probably get ticket sales, which would be chump change, but enough to cover the costs of hosting the event. Thus, with distribution of profits to all members (sounds like a co-op), the NCAA can actually hold on to a shred of credibility when saying athletics is an educational endeavor.
there aren't any specific (or hidden) barriers to entry. every D1 team can get in, if they have the record, SOS, etc. to have a high enough BCS ranking. those schools may actually have a better chance of making a big bowl than they did before - do you think the fiesta bowl would have ever picked boise state, or the sugar bowl pick hawaii or utah?
There are only six conferences that are guaranteed BCS money. If two small conference team meets the qualifications for an automatic birth, only one can go. This is not so if two teams from one of the big six qualified for an automatic birth.
It's set up so the big conferences get guaranteed payouts while the "little guy" gets thrown a bone on occasion. Not to mention, the rating criteria for the BCS games largely favors the bigger conferences.
But again, my name is not LawSeshomoru, so I really have no idea. It just smells like a rotten system to me.
It's set up so the big conferences get guaranteed payouts while the "little guy" gets thrown a bone on occasion. Not to mention, the rating criteria for the BCS games largely favors the bigger conferences.
But again, my name is not LawSeshomoru, so I really have no idea. It just smells like a rotten system to me.
So if someone would bust up the collusion between the big 6 and the BCS, I'd be happy about it. The big 6 conferences will still dominate the landscape of college football, but they won't have an external system that funnels them even more money and limits the opportunities of the non big 6 at the same time. The SEC would still have it's TV contract with ESPN, rightfully giving the conference a competative advantage that it has earned.8Dog said:
However, the BCS, the way I see it anyway, is just a collusion of power conferences that basically acts as a barrier to entry into a market. That market being big time bowl payouts.
The BCS system gives MORE money and MORE access to the small conferences than they would otherwise have. How many small conference schools ever played in one of the big 4 bowls (now big 5) before the BCS? Louisville is the only one I can think of. With the BCS structure, we've had Utah (twice), Boise St, and Hawaii in recent years. Not to mention that every Division I conference gets a share of the BCS money regardless of whether a small conference team makes a BCS bowl or not. They wouldn't get any unless one of their teams made one of the big bowls without the BCS.
to make the big bucks. i don't think, though, that the courts would even apply the Sherman Act (antitrust law) to the BCS. the NFL has been granted an exception, and in the early 1900s, the Supreme Court said that federal antitrust law doesn't apply to baseball, because the "sporting exhibitions" are state action, and thus governed by state law. i tend to think that the courts would feel the same about college sports.
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that's funny.
It's always been a scam to simply make tons of money for the big schools. The BCS is worse because it's a collusion and has grossly multiplied the payouts. Sure, the small schools may have access to more money than they previously made, but the actual gap is increasing so fast it's insane.
It just doesn't pass the smell test. Never has. Not even the original bowls did. It just seems more egregious now that they have begun passing it off as the championship. Granted, the NCAA doesn't recognize it, but how many people are truly aware of that?
It just doesn't pass the smell test. Never has. Not even the original bowls did. It just seems more egregious now that they have begun passing it off as the championship. Granted, the NCAA doesn't recognize it, but how many people are truly aware of that?
I'm tired of the governments involvement in sports.
but this is no worse than any other thing they've been involved in.
the worst is when the likes of the Georgia Senate or House I dont remember which one tried to pass legislation for the playoff 2 years ago when they went to the sugar bowl
but this is no worse than any other thing they've been involved in.
the worst is when the likes of the Georgia Senate or House I dont remember which one tried to pass legislation for the playoff 2 years ago when they went to the sugar bowl
You can't just force schools to participate in a playoff if they don't want to. The simple fact is the small conference schools aren't nearly as attractive to TV viewers as the big schools are and don't generate the ticket revenue the big schools do. And there's not a lot you can do or legislate that's going to change that.
so i could be wrong. it doesn't happen very often, but it has happened once before...
honestly, the BCS is better than the system we had before. at least now, if the SEC champ and the PAC10 champ are the two undefeated teams at the end of the year, they'll get to play each other. before, we would be left to wonder. playoffs > BCS > old bowl system.
honestly, the BCS is better than the system we had before. at least now, if the SEC champ and the PAC10 champ are the two undefeated teams at the end of the year, they'll get to play each other. before, we would be left to wonder. playoffs > BCS > old bowl system.
"Football is the other major revenue generating sport. In 2006, Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush skipped his senior year at the University of Southern California and entered the NFL draft. Selected by the New Orleans Saints, he agreed to a six-year contract guaranteeing $26.3 million with the possibility of huge performance bonuses. The compensation package of about $44,000 offered by USC paled in comparison to Mr. Bush's true market value.
In basketball, however, the NCAA cartel prevents that, dictating limits on pay (essentially college costs) and even penalizing transfers to other schools. Strict rules also prevent college athletes from signing lucrative endorsement deals or accepting gifts beyond a certain amount."
http://online.wsj.com/art...B123751289953291279.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123751289953291279.html
In basketball, however, the NCAA cartel prevents that, dictating limits on pay (essentially college costs) and even penalizing transfers to other schools. Strict rules also prevent college athletes from signing lucrative endorsement deals or accepting gifts beyond a certain amount."
http://online.wsj.com/art...B123751289953291279.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123751289953291279.html
Prove that the money from the BCS and the BCS games are not an educational endeavor and tax the hell out of it. You'd see one of two things.
1. A much less collusive distribution of the revenues to show the government that "yes indeed, we are furthering the academic strides at all universities."
2. The BCS will get scrapped. Thus, the NCAA will get involved and hopefully have the balls to start a playoff system.
1. A much less collusive distribution of the revenues to show the government that "yes indeed, we are furthering the academic strides at all universities."
2. The BCS will get scrapped. Thus, the NCAA will get involved and hopefully have the balls to start a playoff system.
It ends with a playoff system, and revenue sharing much the same way it's done for the basketball tournament. The SEC still gets it's billions from ESPN and keeps kicking ***. This way, the big conferences are still earning their place on top of the college football world, but they aren't provided protection to collude and prevent a school like Utah from climbing up there with them. I honestly think that the BCS is the only thing that will keep the ACC and Big East as even semi-relevant. Without the BCS, I could easily see the MWC and the WAC as replacing them as #5 and #6 in the football world.