Token firing of Teasley will not fix our offensive issues

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as long as Shula is calling the plays. Although Elliot may possibly be able to fix the OL.
Rewatched the LSU game and I know everyone is harping on the penalties, but our play calling was a major factor as well.
In the LSU game, we seem to attempt to throw the ball when we should be running and running when we should be throwing.
Not sure what is on Shula's situational play chart or if he even has one, but his play calling makes no sense strategically.
In summary, Beamer is not serious about making real change.
 
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18IsTheMan

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Some seem to feel like just because the offensive line stunk that it means Shula is not part of the problem. I don’t think he was the worst thing about this staff, but I also think we could majorly upgrade.
 

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I truly think there was a bit of James Franklin affect here, and for those who think it couldn't hurt... letting the guys coach themselves couldn't be worse. The stats don't lie - and neither do anyone's eyeballs.
 

18IsTheMan

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I don't disagree with late. However, by token, I mean for visual effect only and not for real serious change.
Usually you want an OC and an OL coach who are skilled in the same offensive scheme. An emergency midseason change with an in-house promotion won't change much.

Unfortunately, Beamer had his window to make real offensive changes last offseason. Coming off our strong finish to the 2024 season, returning weapons on offense, and apparent upward trajectory as a program, he would have had more options for OC. If he tries to change OC this offseason, everyone will know it's a make or break hire for him, so getting someone competent from the P4 ranks isn't gonna happen. He'd have to try finding another unknown position coach or dip down to the G5 or FCS ranks for an experienced OC who would be willing to take the risk in exchange for working at a P4 program.

So likely stuck with Shula.
 

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I don't disagree with late. However, by token, I mean for visual effect only and not for real serious change.
I think he knows he needs a serious change, but he's moving an experienced coach over in the short term as a matter of convenience. I keep hearing people talk about Pitman but that might not be in line with the AD's aspirations - or Pitman's. He would basically be a retread.
 

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I have no way of proving this theroy, but it sure does sound as if "you need to make a change, right now" directive from the AD office. It would not surprise me if we see the obligatory wholesale change to the coaching staff.
Which is always proceeded by the firing of the HC the following year.
 

18IsTheMan

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I have no way of proving this theroy, but it sure does sound as if "you need to make a change, right now" directive from the AD office. It would not surprise me if we see the obligatory wholesale change to the coaching staff.
Which is always proceeded by the firing of the HC the following year.
That seems to be the case.

I will say, our main problems are on the offensive side of the ball. Our defense isn't stellar, but it's more than good enough to win games with a decent offense. If Beamer could make a good OC hire, that could do the trick. But I don't see that as being a possibility given my post above. Nobody competent would take the job knowing it's a do or die hire for Beamer. Unless maybe we just break the bank and make it financially impossible for a good OC to say "no".
 

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I have seen the enemy, and he is us.

Kill Me Smh GIF
 

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Once upon a time, Shawn was our "run game coordinator" & the ground game was pretty good. Just saying.
(Psst....run the zone read with Sellers & Fuller).
 
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Piscis

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I think he knows he needs a serious change, but he's moving an experienced coach over in the short term as a matter of convenience. I keep hearing people talk about Pitman but that might not be in line with the AD's aspirations - or Pitman's. He would basically be a retread.
Pittman has already said he wants to retire. He is about to be 64 yrs old and I doubt he wants to uproot and move across the country to take a job for a coach who has a reasonable chance of being fired after a year or two.
 

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That seems to be the case.

I will say, our main problems are on the offensive side of the ball. Our defense isn't stellar, but it's more than good enough to win games with a decent offense. If Beamer could make a good OC hire, that could do the trick. But I don't see that as being a possibility given my post above. Nobody competent would take the job knowing it's a do or die hire for Beamer. Unless maybe we just break the bank and make it financially impossible for a good OC to say "no".
It would have to be stupid money for a good OC at a successful program with a secure head coach to leave and come to a mediocre program with a coach who is likely on the hot seat next year. "Good" OCs are already making seven figures. You can live pretty well anywhere on the money OCs make now. Uprooting family and changing jobs for a lateral move isn't too appealing to the "good" OCs. An OC from a G5 or FCS program would probably take the job simply to be able to jump up to the P4 level and that is probably the best option at this time. Otherwise, the hire would probably have to be a position coach at a P4 program who wanted to make the move to an OC job.

These guys aren't stupid and I don't understand why some gamecock fans think there are a bunch of top talent coaches around the country waiting for South Carolina to call and offer them a job. I see multiple posts on here saying "we should go get ___________", like ___________ is sitting at home every night waiting on the phone to ring with a job offer from South Carolina.
 

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It would have to be stupid money for a good OC at a successful program with a secure head coach to leave and come to a mediocre program with a coach who is likely on the hot seat next year. "Good" OCs are already making seven figures. You can live pretty well anywhere on the money OCs make now. Uprooting family and changing jobs for a lateral move isn't too appealing to the "good" OCs. An OC from a G5 or FCS program would probably take the job simply to be able to jump up to the P4 level and that is probably the best option at this time. Otherwise, the hire would probably have to be a position coach at a P4 program who wanted to make the move to an OC job.

These guys aren't stupid and I don't understand why some gamecock fans think there are a bunch of top talent coaches around the country waiting for South Carolina to call and offer them a job. I see multiple posts on here saying "we should go get ___________", like ___________ is sitting at home every night waiting on the phone to ring with a job offer from South Carolina.
Offer a proven OC $4 million. Go for a big fish. Brian Hartline. 5 years, $20 million. fully guaranteed.
 

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Offer a proven OC $4 million. Go for a big fish. Brian Hartline. 5 years, $20 million. fully guaranteed.
I think that kind of money is what it would take to get one to even consider taking the job. I can't imagine a big fish wanting to jump on a foundering ship unless he was going to make "retirement" money.
 

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Pittman has already said he wants to retire. He is about to be 64 yrs old and I doubt he wants to uproot and move across the country to take a job for a coach who has a reasonable chance of being fired after a year or two.
I wasn't feelin' it anyway.
 

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It would have to be stupid money for a good OC at a successful program with a secure head coach to leave and come to a mediocre program with a coach who is likely on the hot seat next year. "Good" OCs are already making seven figures. You can live pretty well anywhere on the money OCs make now. Uprooting family and changing jobs for a lateral move isn't too appealing to the "good" OCs. An OC from a G5 or FCS program would probably take the job simply to be able to jump up to the P4 level and that is probably the best option at this time. Otherwise, the hire would probably have to be a position coach at a P4 program who wanted to make the move to an OC job.

These guys aren't stupid and I don't understand why some gamecock fans think there are a bunch of top talent coaches around the country waiting for South Carolina to call and offer them a job. I see multiple posts on here saying "we should go get ___________", like ___________ is sitting at home every night waiting on the phone to ring with a job offer from South Carolina.
Using that rationale, we'll have to start fresh at the top and find whatever money it takes to hire the staff the new head coach wants. Otherwise, we're stuck with Beamer and a Wake Forest-level staff.
 

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It would have to be stupid money for a good OC at a successful program with a secure head coach to leave and come to a mediocre program with a coach who is likely on the hot seat next year. "Good" OCs are already making seven figures. You can live pretty well anywhere on the money OCs make now. Uprooting family and changing jobs for a lateral move isn't too appealing to the "good" OCs. An OC from a G5 or FCS program would probably take the job simply to be able to jump up to the P4 level and that is probably the best option at this time. Otherwise, the hire would probably have to be a position coach at a P4 program who wanted to make the move to an OC job.

These guys aren't stupid and I don't understand why some gamecock fans think there are a bunch of top talent coaches around the country waiting for South Carolina to call and offer them a job. I see multiple posts on here saying "we should go get ___________", like ___________ is sitting at home every night waiting on the phone to ring with a job offer from South Carolina.
I think a G5/FCS OC is the only realistic way to go. Get someone younger who wants a chance to prove himself. There’s no incentive for someone to make a lateral move outside of stupid money so you have to take someone who’s willing to take a job that may only last one season because they can at least get some resume fodder and it’ll definitely be a raise.

But all OC talk assumes there will be a need to hire a new OC. There won’t be.
 
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The offense should not be this ****** as this point. The OL, OC Shula and Beamer should be fired now TBH and we should be moving on.

Shawn Elliott should be acting HC as we speak. And Id feel better giving him next season over Beamer to see what happens if we aren’t going hire yet. (Which is the sorry Carolina way) Elliott is passionate about Carolina and will work, Beamer obviously is not.
 
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Piscis

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The offense should not be this ****** as this point. The OL, OC Shula and Beamer should be fired now TBH and we should be moving on.

Shawn Elliott should be acting HC as we speak. And Id feel better giving him next season over Beamer to see what happens if we aren’t going hire yet. (Which is the sorry Carolina way) Elliott is passionate about Carolina and will work, Beamer obviously is not.
Beamer isn't going anywhere after this season. He will get another season to show improvement. The worst case scenario, in my opinion, is for him to manage a 7 win season next year and the AD decides that is good enough to keep him around for at least another year. 6-6 might even save him next season.

An unlikely win against Clemson to end this season would probably take the heat off of him completely, even if the final record was 4-8. I think he gets 5 wins this season with a couple of upsets and the coach lovers will say he has turned things around.

As to Elliott being passionate about Carolina and Beamer not being, wasn't one of the big pluses of hiring Beamer that "he wants to be here". I seem to recall that being a key reason he was such a good hire.