Tom Herman

[patdog]

Okay let's discuss. Do you not think Briles and Sumlin built Houston into a solid G5 program? Or do you think Levine ruined it? Do we not distinguish between the current team and the overall program?


Briles and Sumlin turned Houston into a winner. When Briles inherited Houston in 03', they had 10 losing seasons from 1991-2002. Several of those with 1 win and a 0 win season in 2001.

A 17ing 0fer.

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Herman took over a successful program from a meh coach. The 2 seasons before Herman got the Houston job in 2015, Levine won 8 games each year. Sumlin had them at 13-1 in his last year in 11'. So the Redshirt SRs on Herman's 13-1 team were on Sumlin's 13-1 team.

Houston's record the 12 years before Briles:
40-93-1. 1 bowl appearance.
Houston's record the 12 years before Herman:
93-60. 9 bowl appearances.

So let's not act like Herman rebuilt the Titanic from the bottom of the ocean floor. Briles did that after a decade of massive losing. Sumlin got it going full speed. Levine was not a great coach, but he kept it afloat.

So yes, Herman absolutely inherited a program built by Briles and Sumlin. The team and players were probably mostly Levine's, but it was still a solid program.

I admire your tenacity in doubling down on an argument that just got so completely destroyed by Rupert.

 

[Rupert Jenkins]

Important clarification...he was going 8-4/8-5 every year at Auburn with their resources. He's not going to do better or even match that here with fewer resources against similar competition.

Herman might come here and fail but I would much rather roll the dice with him than Gus. I don't see Gus successful here.

 

[Klovis]

Herman might come here and fail but I would much rather roll the dice with him than Gus. I don't see Gus successful here.

Preach!

 

[Bullldawg78]

I want to coach that's coming to MSU to build a program and build a dynasty. I don't want someone that'll be retired in 5 years. I don't want someone who's using this as a stepping stone. Just might humble opinion.

 

[Klovis]

I want to coach that's coming to MSU to build a program and build a dynasty. I don't want someone that'll be retired in 5 years. I don't want someone who's using this as a stepping stone. Just might humble opinion.

well we going to have to throw enough money at him to keep him.... whoever he is.

I do agree with building a Dynasty. I'm sure Mullen is still kicking himself over leaving here. I wonder where we would be right now if he never left.