Too early to judge Neal Brown

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It’s unfair to thumbs up or thumbs down a coach after his first 2 seasons.

Art “Pappy” Lewis, who had SIX consecutive undefeated Southern Conference seasons, was 7-13 (3-6 in conference) his first 2 seasons. Tossing him out after the 7-13 start would have been a major mistake.

Gene Corum was 4-14-2 after his 1st 2 seasons before having 3 undefeated Southern Conference seasons. Same thing; stupid to can him early.

Jim Carlen was 8-9-3 after his 1st 2 seasons but 7-3 and 10-1 and Peach Bowl champ in his 3rd and 4th seasons. Again, patience paid off.

Bobby Bowden was a brilliant exception. He was 15-7 after 2 seasons and had ONE losing season in his 6 seasons at WVU.

Frank Cignetti never got untracked, and illness made his situation even worse later on, 10-12 in his 1st 2 seasons and 7-15 in his 3rd and 4th seasons. The exception that proves the rule.

Don Nehlen started strong, too, like Bowden, going 15-9 in his first 2 seasons and won 7 or more games in 13 of his 21 seasons including the great 1988 season of 11-1, losing to Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl for the national title, and 11-1 again in 1993 but losing in the Sugar Bowl. Nehlen’s bowl record, after a 3-1 start, was followed by 8 straight bowl losses, and a 4-9 bowl record at WVU.

Rich was 12-12 after his 1st 2 seasons, .500 like Neal Brown, but won 8 to 11 games in his final 6 seasons at WVU. What a calamity it would have been to ditch Rich with a .500 WVU record after 2 seasons. Instead, in 7 years Rich has the 2nd best winning percentage of any coach who has been at WVU 4 or more seasons, behind only the legendary Clarence “Doc” Spears who had the ONLY unbeaten team in WVU history in 1922 for what would have been the national title with today’s media.

Bill Stewart was 9-4 all 3 seasons. Wasn’t around long enough to see what he would have done with only his recruits.

Dana Holgoren was 10-3 and 7-6 for a 17-9 2-season start and in only ONE season won fewer than 7 games. Yet some say he destroyed WVU’s reputation. That doesn’t compute.

So applying the same standard of dissing .500 for 1st 2 seasons that some apply to Neal Brown ignores that Pappy Lewis, Gene Corum, Jim Carlen and Rich Rodriguez didn’t do any better but turned out to be pretty damn good hires by WVU over the long haul.

Patience is a virtue with coaches. A revolving door usually doesn’t bode well for a program.
 

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It’s unfair to thumbs up or thumbs down a coach after his first 2 seasons.

Art “Pappy” Lewis, who had SIX consecutive undefeated Southern Conference seasons, was 7-13 (3-6 in conference) his first 2 seasons. Tossing him out after the 7-13 start would have been a major mistake.

Gene Corum was 4-14-2 after his 1st 2 seasons before having 3 undefeated Southern Conference seasons. Same thing; stupid to can him early.

Jim Carlen was 8-9-3 after his 1st 2 seasons but 7-3 and 10-1 and Peach Bowl champ in his 3rd and 4th seasons. Again, patience paid off.

Bobby Bowden was a brilliant exception. He was 15-7 after 2 seasons and had ONE losing season in his 6 seasons at WVU.

Frank Cignetti never got untracked, and illness made his situation even worse later on, 10-12 in his 1st 2 seasons and 7-15 in his 3rd and 4th seasons. The exception that proves the rule.

Don Nehlen started strong, too, like Bowden, going 15-9 in his first 2 seasons and won 7 or more games in 13 of his 21 seasons including the great 1988 season of 11-1, losing to Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl for the national title, and 11-1 again in 1993 but losing in the Sugar Bowl. Nehlen’s bowl record, after a 3-1 start, was followed by 8 straight bowl losses, and a 4-9 bowl record at WVU.

Rich was 12-12 after his 1st 2 seasons, .500 like Neal Brown, but won 8 to 11 games in his final 6 seasons at WVU. What a calamity it would have been to ditch Rich with a .500 WVU record after 2 seasons. Instead, in 7 years Rich has the 2nd best winning percentage of any coach who has been at WVU 4 or more seasons, behind only the legendary Clarence “Doc” Spears who had the ONLY unbeaten team in WVU history in 1922 for what would have been the national title with today’s media.

Bill Stewart was 9-4 all 3 seasons. Wasn’t around long enough to see what he would have done with only his recruits.

Dana Holgoren was 10-3 and 7-6 for a 17-9 2-season start and in only ONE season won fewer than 7 games. Yet some say he destroyed WVU’s reputation. That doesn’t compute.

So applying the same standard of dissing .500 for 1st 2 seasons that some apply to Neal Brown ignores that Pappy Lewis, Gene Corum, Jim Carlen and Rich Rodriguez didn’t do any better but turned out to be pretty damn good hires by WVU over the long haul.

Patience is a virtue with coaches. A revolving door usually doesn’t bode well for a program.
Go jump in a lake troll
 

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Frank Beamer was 24-40-2 in his first 6 seasons at VT. He went 214-81 in the next 23 years and went to 23 straight bowls and played in 1 title game. Before VT he was at Murry State 42-23-2.
 
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This message board deserves higher quality trolls:
Bunch of basic trolls who repeat stupidity on top of stupidity.
Cannot troll when you sound like a parrot
 

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One account, meanwhile Allen/Townes whoever this troll idiot is (notice its sole purpose is to try to derail threads) has nothing but personal attack.

Is it a bot?
 

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We all know the truth.
Bucky
CFE
root
Greg

All 4 are shared by michigan guy and the tosu-kingcoal frauds.
 

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It’s unfair to thumbs up or thumbs down a coach after his first 2 seasons.

Art “Pappy” Lewis, who had SIX consecutive undefeated Southern Conference seasons, was 7-13 (3-6 in conference) his first 2 seasons. Tossing him out after the 7-13 start would have been a major mistake.

Gene Corum was 4-14-2 after his 1st 2 seasons before having 3 undefeated Southern Conference seasons. Same thing; stupid to can him early.

Jim Carlen was 8-9-3 after his 1st 2 seasons but 7-3 and 10-1 and Peach Bowl champ in his 3rd and 4th seasons. Again, patience paid off.

Bobby Bowden was a brilliant exception. He was 15-7 after 2 seasons and had ONE losing season in his 6 seasons at WVU.

Frank Cignetti never got untracked, and illness made his situation even worse later on, 10-12 in his 1st 2 seasons and 7-15 in his 3rd and 4th seasons. The exception that proves the rule.

Don Nehlen started strong, too, like Bowden, going 15-9 in his first 2 seasons and won 7 or more games in 13 of his 21 seasons including the great 1988 season of 11-1, losing to Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl for the national title, and 11-1 again in 1993 but losing in the Sugar Bowl. Nehlen’s bowl record, after a 3-1 start, was followed by 8 straight bowl losses, and a 4-9 bowl record at WVU.

Rich was 12-12 after his 1st 2 seasons, .500 like Neal Brown, but won 8 to 11 games in his final 6 seasons at WVU. What a calamity it would have been to ditch Rich with a .500 WVU record after 2 seasons. Instead, in 7 years Rich has the 2nd best winning percentage of any coach who has been at WVU 4 or more seasons, behind only the legendary Clarence “Doc” Spears who had the ONLY unbeaten team in WVU history in 1922 for what would have been the national title with today’s media.

Bill Stewart was 9-4 all 3 seasons. Wasn’t around long enough to see what he would have done with only his recruits.

Dana Holgoren was 10-3 and 7-6 for a 17-9 2-season start and in only ONE season won fewer than 7 games. Yet some say he destroyed WVU’s reputation. That doesn’t compute.

So applying the same standard of dissing .500 for 1st 2 seasons that some apply to Neal Brown ignores that Pappy Lewis, Gene Corum, Jim Carlen and Rich Rodriguez didn’t do any better but turned out to be pretty damn good hires by WVU over the long haul.

Patience is a virtue with coaches. A revolving door usually doesn’t bode well for a program.
A revolving door is also sometimes necessary to right the ship on coaches. Kragthorpe at Louisville comes to mind as an example of holding on too long.

You can only allow well below average results so long before breaking out of that rut becomes nearly impossibke. This year is a must for WVU to improve dramatically- Going to be a tough path though. At some point you have to see something that lets you know improvement is coming in reality rather than just a silly slogan for excuses
 

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A revolving door is also sometimes necessary to right the ship on coaches. Kragthorpe at Louisville comes to mind as an example of holding on too long.

You can only allow well below average results so long before breaking out of that rut becomes nearly impossibke. This year is a must for WVU to improve dramatically- Going to be a tough path though. At some point you have to see something that lets you know improvement is coming in reality rather than just a silly slogan for excuses
Yeah cause 22 games has been way to long. Should have fired him game 7 in the first year.

You're such a dumbass.
 

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Yeah cause 22 games has been way to long. Should have fired him game 7 in the first year.

You're such a dumbass.
A dumbass --speaking of yourself again I see.

The same dumbass that called for firing the previous coach before he coached one game.

The same dumbass that said "anyone can step in and immediately do better", now whining that 22 games in isn't long enough? But but---it certainly was long enough for you to call for the head of the previous coach and he won 10 games and crushed Clemson year one and won 7 games in a completely new conference year two.

What's the difference dumbass? This coach has 5 wins two seasons in a row excluding a G5 bowl game.
 

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A dumbass --speaking of yourself again I see.

The same dumbass that called for firing the previous coach before he coached one game.

The same dumbass that said "anyone can step in and immediately do better", now whining that 22 games in isn't long enough? But but---it certainly was long enough for you to call for the head of the previous coach and he won 10 games and crushed Clemson year one and won 7 games in a completely new conference year two.

What's the difference dumbass? This coach has 5 wins two seasons in a row excluding a G5 bowl game.
Take me off ignore
 

WVUALLEN

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A dumbass --speaking of yourself again I see.

The same dumbass that called for firing the previous coach before he coached one game.

The same dumbass that said "anyone can step in and immediately do better", now whining that 22 games in isn't long enough? But but---it certainly was long enough for you to call for the head of the previous coach and he won 10 games and crushed Clemson year one and won 7 games in a completely new conference year two.

What's the difference dumbass? This coach has 5 wins two seasons in a row excluding a G5 bowl game.
Link your accusations dumbass. Clemson has gone to win titles. Your boyfriend stayed pat. 10 wins first year and big bowl win. Then what?

Took the same team that was picked by majority across all of sports to win Big 12 and went 7-6 with loss to a horrible Syracuse.

I would take Rod Fraud back before ever hiring your boyfriend again.
 

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A revolving door is also sometimes necessary to right the ship on coaches. Kragthorpe at Louisville comes to mind as an example of holding on too long.

You can only allow well below average results so long before breaking out of that rut becomes nearly impossibke. This year is a must for WVU to improve dramatically- Going to be a tough path though. At some point you have to see something that lets you know improvement is coming in reality rather than just a silly slogan for excuses
Omg. I agree with Bucky Wucky!