He would if we paid him and proved the NIL commitment. He’d need equivalent money to what Saban got in 2007 (equivalent as in, how it compares to the average in college baseball).
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Any chance we can get Scott Berry to come out of retirement after just one year away? Get him to turn us back around before he thinks about retiring again.
I'd be all for Lane Burroughs, but am a little concerned about his last season.
I'd be all for Lane Burroughs, but am a little concerned about his last season.
Chizik won a title with a singular player that he recruited - the most physically dominant player and biggest cheat code to ever grace a college football field. The remainder of the roster was inferior to a Mississippi State roster that was largely recruited by Sly Croom. And he did all of it while Gus Malzahn was doing all the heavy lifting. Not quite the same situation.
We obviously shoot for the moon first, but if we end up with Lane Train, we’ve done a good job.
Chizik won a NC in his 2nd season...Lemonis won a NC in his 2nd season(can't count 2020).
Chizik had 1 losing seasons out of 4...Lemonis looks to be headed towards his 3rd losing season out of 5.
Between Vitello and Billy Martin I’m not sure which might be the more likely hire for us.
I’ll admit I don’t have my finger on the pulse of college baseball outside of State, but I’m just confused here. I understand that Vitello would be a home run candidate, but is he really THAT unattainable? No one was acting like this when we were talking about going for Schloss or Dan McDonnell last time and they were much more accomplished than Tony V is to this point. Why is it so crazy that he would consider leaving Tennessee to come to a much more dedicated baseball school?
I believe Vitello is single and has a condo in Nashville. TN can pay him whatever. He isn’t coming here. Call him. But he isn’t combing. We were never getting McDonnell. Schloss was looking for any way out of TCU and was dying for our job.
Don’t have one of the best nil deals in college baseball. We don’t even have a top 5 nil deal in our own conference. Ark, lsu, UT, Texas AM, and Florida all paying kids more than we are.
and our portal class has been laughable. nowhede near top 5
I'm not guessing on that statement....our NIL situation is one of the best in college baseball...not the best(that would be LSU) but it's way up there.
As far as the portal class...it's been ranked high the past two classes....you'll have to blame Lemonis for the reason it hasn't produced.We lost a kid this past portal class to another SEC school even though we were his highest NIL offer.
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I’m not guessing either. Texas am, lsu, Florida, Tennessee, and arkansas all pay players more. what the situation is I don’t have the exacts, but have been told by someone that would know the 2 Mississippi and 2 Alabama schools are both league average in terms on nils and baseball. All 4 are trying like hell to catch the 5 i mentioned above.
this is backed by the fact these teams get players that Others don’t. Also we almost lost Jordan due to the lack of nil funding. We may be higher than the conference USA schools and be ranked in the top 25 or whatever. But we aren’t at the top by a good margin
portal class hasn’t been ranked highly by anything reputable. BA ranks on quantity not quality. The past portal class was ranked 10th in the sec if I’m not mistaken.
That very well could have been the case a couple of years ago when the NIL stuff started but that is not the case now...like I said I'm not guessing on that part.We're not LSU level but we're way up the list.
Since when did BA become not be reputable?This is news to me....we can agree that what Lemonis has brought in hasn't lived up it what he should be but there are reasons for that and it falls at the feet of one person.
Unless something has changed in the last 6 months I stand by what I said.if it has then job well done. But lsu, Texas am, Florida, Arkansas, Texas am… all have higher payrolls basdbalk wise. Could just be going to the big fish. But overall nil money able to be doled out. We are closer to the upper tier than the elites. Again we don’t ranked higher than those guys. I have 3 people all telling me the same thing. The 5 I mentioned are bigger. Ark, lsu, Texas am.. the biggest. Tenn is ahead of the curb and ponying up to keep votello happy, and Florida is right there as well
where are those baseball America rankings? I saw somewhere in the 20s, and the year, before slightly better.
This has been the case since last summer......Florida's baseball NIL is just okay.....we outbid Texas AM for a player and still lost him....we had a strong offer to Chase Burns(probably the second best offer behind LSU) and he wasn't interested....NIL offer to Holman was really close to what LSU offered and we finished second.We haven't been able to flex on the NIL because this staff hasn't been able to close the deal on the top names.
Our NIL offer to Skenes was just as good as Arkansas offered but the situation here wasn't better than what LSU offered(plus the NIL offer).
A&M has the most NIL money for baseball and football. State picked up a couple of pitchers in the portal from schools I didn't know existed.
People want us to divest from baseball but I’m telling you, if we could put together whatever he wants it would be worth it. The man can evaluate, and he’s done it at multiple places. He’d have us with 1985 talent in a couple classes, and an unmatched swagger.
Yes NIL is important but so is confidence that the school you choose gets you to o where you want to go -?States staff doesn’t satisfy the latter
Finishing second to people doenst mean the situation is top notch or right there?
I’ve been told Floridas nil is more than just ok…
Think if we are thinking of the same player on Texas am you may have those facts wrong.
You keep mentioning finishing second? Just because you get close to getting someone doesn’t mean your situation is way up there. You can finish second to someone and be outbid by significant money. or when those elite schools really want a player they can dig into a deeper pocket.
you have to keep in mind currently there are about 10-12 schools on the hunt for the big fish in each portal. Seems like we are steadily getting out bid by someone. Which again means our situation might be better than a lot of schools but it’s still not at that elite level. Which is what I’ve been told be the case
I can tell yall with confidence that we may not have one of the biggest NIL pots for baseball but we aren’t getting beat by NIL and it has nothing to do with any of the disaster happening so let’s move on from that. This is an Occams Razor situation. Our coach has failed in every aspect of his job except T Shirt Distribution.
While I have sources, I am not trying to get all up in ya'll arguments about who knows the most. But I think it's logical that LSU, Texas, MSU, Ole Miss and Arkansas probably have some pretty good NIL amounts, as compared to others. The fans care. It probably closely aligns with attendance numbers. Of course, perhaps an Auburn, Tennessee or Florida has a few boosters that like baseball and make up the difference, but I don't think NIL hurts us nearly as much in baseball as it does football. And in basketball, we are one of those programs that has a few boosters make up the slack. So there's a lot of calculus in there.
Plus - the common baseball fans are much more likely to give to NIL in baseball in my opinion, because baseball players have been getting screwed over for decades.
I think its pretty dishonest to say our players are worse than those at Air Force and Austin Peay. Not saying recruiting has been outstanding or what it should be, but there’s clearly something else missing right now. The talent of guys like Bednar, Yeager, Dakota Jordan, Hunter Hines, Amani Larry, Bradley Loftin, etc. is unquestioned. All Lemonis recruits. There is certainly some talent on the roster.
I too think Lemonis was a good coach at one time. But it doesn’t seem that he is anymore. The ultimate question is why.
What? Why can’t you count 2020? Lemonis and everyone else just hopped in a time machine straight from 2019 to 2021? There was no recruiting, developing, or roster management happening during that time? We didn’t lose three 17ing 1st round talents between 2020 and 2021?
It’s a nonsense comparison, and always has been. Before being hired, Lemonis went to 3 regionals in 4 years at IU. Chizik was 5-19 at Iowa State. Lemonis season 1 at MSU was a Top 5 team. Chizik season 1 at Auburn was a barely bowl eligible team. Lemonis season that he won the title had no Cam Newton equivalent as a player or Gus Malzahn equivalent as an assistant. There’s literally no commonality at all besides the fact that neither could stand prosperity.
Sure. But he wasn’t bought by Tuberville. He was bought by Chizik. That was the point.
Recruiting. That is the answer to your question.
My opinion is that he recruits showcase talent. I'm not talking about travel ballers, because they all have to play travel ball these days. But you have to go out and find the athletic guys who project. College baseball coaches do very little development anyway. It's an individual sport, and most of the development happens in summer ball when they are getting reps.
There’s simply no way our recruiting has been worse than AF and APU. I named 5-6 players we have that every SEC school wanted or would have taken. 4 of them are on our current roster, and there are many others that fit the same profile.
Neither of the schools we’ve played thus far has a single player of the caliber of Jordan / Hines / Loftin / Dohm / Stephen, et al. Yet we lost 3 of 5 to them, and in one of those 3 we had 14 free passes and still lost. There is something else in play. Nobody on the roster outside of about half the pitchers (Thanks Coach Parker) are performing up to their potential. That’s coaching.
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It is baseball. The royals beat the yankees from time to time. Bad teams beat good teams.
I certainly dont think we are recruiting at a level of AF or APU.. we arent tearing it up either. I've been ridiculed on this board numerous times for saying that we lack talent. Hines and Jordan are good, the rest of the line up is very very average. And hines and jordan arent as good as some think. They are actually middle of the pack in terms of 1-2 punches in the SEC.
AF was terrible. I wasnt able to watch the APU games so I cant compare. However i'll say that none of the hitters i watched during the AF series minus jordan and hines look like anything more than 7-9 hitters on good SEC teams....
and if we had a lineup full of good hitters, we wouldnt need jordan and hines to hit every game, and then we could beat teams like APU easier. If we had a stable full of good quality arms.. then we would beat teams like APU easier. Example: Jurrangelo should be a midweek starter. Working to get better, while hoping to earn some weekend time next season. The middle to bottom half of our roster is below standards, and that effects things when we have injuries or get into the mid week.
I certainly dont think we are recruiting at a level of AF or APU.. we arent tearing it up either. I've been ridiculed on this board numerous times for saying that we lack talent. Hines and Jordan are good, the rest of the line up is very very average. And hines and jordan arent as good as some think. They are actually middle of the pack in terms of 1-2 punches in the SEC.
AF was terrible. I wasnt able to watch the APU games so I cant compare. However i'll say that none of the hitters i watched during the AF series minus jordan and hines look like anything more than 7-9 hitters on good SEC teams....
and if we had a lineup full of good hitters, we wouldnt need jordan and hines to hit every game, and then we could beat teams like APU easier. If we had a stable full of good quality arms.. then we would beat teams like APU easier. Example: Jurrangelo should be a midweek starter. Working to get better, while hoping to earn some weekend time next season. The middle to bottom half of our roster is below standards, and that effects things when we have injuries or get into the mid week.
Didn't we go through this exercise last year "name the new coach". Y'all might be disappointed again, but then State fans generally are disappointed away.