Top scientists admit no warming in 20 years

DvlDog4WVU

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The consensus reflects the points that 1: climate change is causing a global warming effect 2: the effect could be devastating and 3: it is caused by man
I don't deny change is happening. I don't deny it could be devastating. I don't deny man has a role. I don't argue with continuing to develop new green tech. I don't argue with pollution controls. Enough with those tired assed arguments.

I question the degree to which man is having an impact. As such, I question the amount of drastic change to the economic models required to stave off what "could" be a catastrophic event.

Stop conflating the arguments to the extreme spectrum because when you do that, you lose me.
 

TarHeelEer

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It's a complex science, and PREDICTIONS are not meant to be dead on....that's why multiple models are used by the same org. Science is attempting to refine a process that isn't very old btw. Doesn't change the fact that the rightwing propaganda lies are still raging in full effect.....knowing and unknowing foot soldiers spreading false information in an attempt to serve their own agenda.

Get back to me when you have an accurate model system. Until then, I have nothing to argue against.
 

Boomboom521

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I don't deny change is happening. I don't deny it could be devastating. I don't deny man has a role. I don't argue with continuing to develop new green tech. I don't argue with pollution controls. Enough with those tired assed arguments.

I question the degree to which man is having an impact. As such, I question the amount of drastic change to the economic models required to stave off what "could" be a catastrophic event.

Stop conflating the arguments to the extreme spectrum because when you do that, you lose me.
But that's a COMPLETELY different argument to have. If your post accurately reflects your views, I have to ask why you do not differ to scientists in the field to understand the degree of change and potential consequences?

There are many on here, including the creator of this thread that seek to paint the concept of climate change as a liberal hoax or scam that aims to simply extort money and redistribute wealth.
 

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But that's a COMPLETELY different argument to have. If your post accurately reflects your views, I have to ask why you do not differ to scientists in the field to understand the degree of change and potential consequences?

Because they aren't as smart as they think they are. Their models don't project 10 years out accurately, how can they ever be accurate at 50, or 100 years?
 

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There are many on here, including the creator of this thread that seek to paint the concept of climate change as a liberal hoax or scam that aims to simply extort money and redistribute wealth.
I disagree. I believe that's your interpretation. I've not seen anyone outright deny the climate is changing.
 

Boomboom521

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I disagree. I believe that's your interpretation. I've not seen anyone outright deny the climate is changing.
A 20 yr pause in warming (that started this thread) is a denial of actual data, and a lie that allows people to feel that the change is less significant than it actually is.
 

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A 20 yr pause in warming (that started this thread) is a denial of actual data, and a lie that allows people to feel that the change is less significant than it actually is.
So, your interpretation of what it's intent was for.

In reality, I've seen no one on this board outright deny change is occurring. What I have seen is one side, yours, brow beat and denigrate by obfuscating and conflating arguments to anyone that doesn't subscribe to the chicken-little stance. Further, what I've seen are people question the country embracing the chicken-little approach at the expense of major industries and massive impacts to jobs and dollars. I've yet to see someone "accurately" quantify man's impact in causation, I've yet to see someone "accurately predict the future impacts. And I've yet to see someone quantify man's ability to limit the impacts of warming through action. I have seen a lot of propaganda from both sides on what they "think" but can't prove.
 

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It's all futile. We may slow some aspects of climate change but we are powerless to stop it. Mankind will always contribute to climate change......but it's like playing whack-a-mole.......and it will continue without mankind.
I don't know enough about our potential with tech to agree or disagree. I do however think that changes in eating habits, public transportation, and energy innovation alone could substantially reverse the trend.
 

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I don't know enough about our potential with tech to agree or disagree. I do however think that changes in eating habits, public transportation, and energy innovation alone could substantially reverse the trend.
If you get on that synthetic meat train and tell me to stop eating cows, I'll go start burning tires and pouring oil into the bay.
 

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I don't know enough about our potential with tech to agree or disagree. I do however think that changes in eating habits, public transportation, and energy innovation alone could substantially reverse the trend.
History of our planet is against you. You also may want to look at the many bogus predictions by scientists that NEVER came to fruition. Hell.....when I bought my property here in Charles Town....I was expecting my front lawn to be ocean front in ten years.
 

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If you get on that synthetic meat train and tell me to stop eating cows, I'll go start burning tires and pouring oil into the bay.
A few years ago when the rage was "Save The Bay" bumper stickers......My neighbor in Shoreham Beach, who owned a marina, was passing out "Pave the Bay" ones.
 

Boomboom521

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So, your interpretation of what it's intent was for.

In reality, I've seen no one on this board outright deny change is occurring. What I have seen is one side, yours, brow beat and denigrate by obfuscating and conflating arguments to anyone that doesn't subscribe to the chicken-little stance. Further, what I've seen are people question the country embracing the chicken-little approach at the expense of major industries and massive impacts to jobs and dollars. I've yet to see someone "accurately" quantify man's impact in causation, I've yet to see someone "accurately predict the future impacts. And I've yet to see someone quantify man's ability to limit the impacts of warming through action. I have seen a lot of propaganda from both sides on what they "think" but can't prove.
I disparage arguments based on manipulation and misinformation, and my emotional element in this thread comes from my personal disgust of the practice of manipulating data and scientific opinion to serve the purpose of confusion. No debate that truly seeks to determine what role we should play in reversing the trend is aided by misinformation. The study cited in this thread did not confirm a 20 year hiatus. The 28 authors opinions were not omitted from the study's summary, and the authors of the study do not advocate that all models are wrong.

I felt that climate change (global warming) as outlined by Gore in an inconvient truth was "alarmist" and inaccurate. I was not on board for all out change, and I felt it was Gore's political avenue to "legacy". I have tried to understand climate change over the last 10 years. My knowledge of the effects has increased lock in step with my fear of the impacts. This is something my children will be impacted by, something my grandchildren might be devastated by. Animals, the oceans, farming, weather patterns will be effected in our lifetime.

My biggest issue however, is not with the feet dragging that the US is doing internationally on this subject (I believe enough companies are on board in order to create a change in our lifetime that can begin to reverse the trend), but it's with the incessant attacks from people trying to make climate science some left wing apparatus of a global agenda of control and power. Data is distorted. It is delaying the legitimate debates on the issues.

If the debate is about how we should pull out of the Paris Accord, I do not approach it with the same aggressiveness. I do believe Paris was a good thing and the US should be in it. People on this board argued that Paris didn't do anything to stop warming, and cost us too much----legitimate. People claim we (and other nations) will do more to reverse the trend if not committed----legitimate. People claim that the accord being non binding makes it toothless-----legitimate.

It's when people claim the science isn't settled, that's when I become "brow beat". All that someone seeks in that statement, is a destruction of a common acceptance that something bad is happening, and something needs to be done.

It's not chicken little. It's understanding the environment.
 

Boomboom521

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If you get on that synthetic meat train and tell me to stop eating cows, I'll go start burning tires and pouring oil into the bay.
No....I think local farming should reign. More expensive, but better for everyone. I do think fast food should be wiped away though.
 
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[QUOTE="DvlDog4WVU, post: 1584911, member: 3664"In reality, I've seen no one on this board outright deny change is occurring.[/QUOTE]

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As he posts in a thread titled "top scientists admit no warming in 20 years."
 

Boomboom521

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No....I think local farming should reign. More expensive, but better for everyone. I do think fast food should be wiped away though.
But I also think hugs matter, and that Widespread Panic mixes well with mushrooms.....so I'm aware of differences in my approach to others.
 

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[QUOTE="DvlDog4WVU, post: 1584911, member: 3664"In reality, I've seen no one on this board outright deny change is occurring.

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As he posts in a thread titled "top scientists admit no warming in 20 years."[/QUOTE]
Do you really want me to go back through the thread and pull out where he acknowledges the climate is changing numerous times? Or would it just be easier to let you run away from the thread like the little sniveling ***** you are?
 
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As he posts in a thread titled "top scientists admit no warming in 20 years."
Do you really want me to go back through the thread and pull out where he acknowledges the climate is changing numerous times? Or would it just be easier to let you run away from the thread like the little sniveling ***** you are?[/QUOTE]

So you confirm the dumbass flip flopped in this very thread?
 

Boomboom521

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So someone who doesn't embrace your zeal for the discussion is lacking in understanding..........

See what I mean?
I meant that the environment is never going to be predictable, and that once the warming reaches a certain level...the consequences will increase quickly.

But yes....ya'll suck.....sooooo bad
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Do you really want me to go back through the thread and pull out where he acknowledges the climate is changing numerous times? Or would it just be easier to let you run away from the thread like the little sniveling ***** you are?

So you confirm the dumbass flip flopped in this very thread?[/QUOTE]
No, I think you just cherry picked part of his argument. You basically did to him what Boom was complaining about him doing to the argument. Quite amusing actually.