Tough conversation: is Allar good enough?

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People talk a lot about "record vs Top 5" - and it is very bad. But also, kind of silly since no one has great records vs "Top5" - its just that HCJF's record is kind of an outlier of "really bad".

What, I think, should be more disconcerting is record vs entire Top 25. One might reasonably expect a football coach at PSU (or OSU, or Michigan, or whatever "blue blood" you look at) to have at least a 500-ish mark vs ranked teams, and hopefully a winning record.

Under HCJF PSU is 16 and 28 vs ranked teams. Dropping nearly 2/3 of all games against ranked teams, IMO, is a far more "negative" item than being 1-13 (or whatever it is, I haven't checked) vs Top 5.
None of you ever accept that Franklin's record is an outlier because he is in a relatively unique situation of playing a more talented team, one of the 3 most talented in the country, which finished in the top 5 almost every single season under Franklin's tenure. The only other teams in a similar situation were in the SEC West against Bama, and the opposing coaches typically didn't have the tenure to play Bama as many times as Franklin has played OSU. I've said it numerous times, OSU has been on a historical level of success in the CFB history, one of the greatest runs of all time, and Franklin has had to play them every single year since he was hired.

Franklin has been extremely good at not losing games where PSU is favored, a testament to his process and desire for consistent preparation week to week. His losses are mostly to more talented teams as an underdog, so it's not surprising that we struggle there. But losing to more talent is hardly a reason to fire him. Franklin has been an amazing hire for PSU, a massive success, and we are fortunate to have him as he has been bringing PSU into the modern age of CFB, often against it's own will.
 

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People talk a lot about "record vs Top 5" - and it is very bad. But also, kind of silly since no one has great records vs "Top5" - it’s just that HCJF's record is kind of an outlier of "really bad".

What, I think, should be more disconcerting is record vs entire Top 25. One might reasonably expect a football coach at PSU (or OSU, or Michigan, or whatever "blue blood" you look at) to have at least a 500-ish mark vs ranked teams, and hopefully a winning record.

Under HCJF PSU is 16 and 28 vs ranked teams. Dropping nearly 2/3 of all games against ranked teams, IMO, is a far more "negative" item than being 1-13 (or whatever it is, I haven't checked) vs Top 5.
Since this thread is about Drew I thought I’d continue the Joe vs James comparisons and look at their AP end of year rankings. What percentage of the time did they finish top 5/10/25? 11 seasons for Franklin and 41 for Joe (threw out 2011 and some early years didn’t rank 25 teams).

Top 5 Finishes
Paterno - 32%
Franklin - 9%

Top 10 Finishes
Paterno - 54%
Franklin - 45%

Top 25 Finishes:
Paterno - 78%
Franklin - 64%

May not be apples to apples but the percentage of top 5 finishes is surprising. Otherwise pretty similar.
 
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lol. And I’d like a list of the values BGJ brings that separate him from our next coach. Is cursing on natl tv one?
 

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Isn’t it somewhere that Joe wanted Meyer? Or maybe had Meyer and somebody else as his choices? I seem to remember it but can’t remember where.
When did he want urban?

Wanting urban after the program hit rock bottom with pending sanctions is not the same as wanting urban.
 

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None of you ever accept that Franklin's record is an outlier because he is in a relatively unique situation of playing a more talented team, one of the 3 most talented in the country, which finished in the top 5 almost every single season under Franklin's tenure. The only other teams in a similar situation were in the SEC West against Bama, and the opposing coaches typically didn't have the tenure to play Bama as many times as Franklin has played OSU. I've said it numerous times, OSU has been on a historical level of success in the CFB history, one of the greatest runs of all time, and Franklin has had to play them every single year since he was hired.

Franklin has been extremely good at not losing games where PSU is favored, a testament to his process and desire for consistent preparation week to week. His losses are mostly to more talented teams as an underdog, so it's not surprising that we struggle there. But losing to more talent is hardly a reason to fire him. Franklin has been an amazing hire for PSU, a massive success, and we are fortunate to have him as he has been bringing PSU into the modern age of CFB, often against it's own will.
All of this debate over Franklin's record vs top 5 and whether any other coach has a good or average record vs top 5 misses the broader point. It is simple math to figure out only a select few will actually do pretty well vs top 5. These are the same ones who win championships... Saban, Meyer, Day, Smart. No one should expect Franklin to be at that level given our recruiting ratings.

The issue in my mind at least is just how bad he is as in essentially an 0fer minus the miraculous blocked FG in 2016. I don't expect 50% winning percentage but how about 20% perhaps? Versus OSU could we beat them 2 of 5 times? We should have won in '17, '18 and had actually good shot last year. If we take 2 of those 3, very reasonable, then at least versus them we are at 20% over a decade.

It astounds me the people that won't even provide critical feedback about this part of Franklin's coaching record. Like he is your son or something. He has to improve in this area. Not saying he needs to win top 5 matchups at some out of this world level but, hey, notch a few every once in a while.
 

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People talk a lot about "record vs Top 5" - and it is very bad. But also, kind of silly since no one has great records vs "Top5" - its just that HCJF's record is kind of an outlier of "really bad".

What, I think, should be more disconcerting is record vs entire Top 25. One might reasonably expect a football coach at PSU (or OSU, or Michigan, or whatever "blue blood" you look at) to have at least a 500-ish mark vs ranked teams, and hopefully a winning recor

Under HCJF PSU is 16 and 28 vs ranked teams. Dropping nearly 2/3 of all games against ranked teams, IMO, is a far more "negative" item than being 1-13 (or whatever it is, I haven't checked) vs Top 5.


Flawed logic.

For starters if you want to push stats then give the league average. Let's see the stats for everyone not just one coach. The fact that you and the media don't list the average is telling.

About 12 of franklin's ranked games were vs OSU. Who has a good record vs them? What is franklin's record vs everyone not named OSU? Rhule and schiano have zero wins for their career vs the top 20. Cignetti has 0-2 vs the top 5. O wins vs OSU.
 
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Nobody said nobody beats top 5 teams. There are a handful of coaches who beat top 5 teams. It is usually the top 2-3 teams with wins vs the top 5 teams and those coaches are not coming to PSU.

The final top 5 will finish the regular season about 55-5 or better. Preseason top 5 is irrelevant. The field will go under .100 vs the top 5. The joebots act like we should go .500 vs the top 5. Schiano and Rhule have ZERO top 20 wins for their careers. Do they even cover a coaches record vs the top 5 for anyone other than Franklin? Most d1 coaches probably go their entire careers without a top 5 win.

Who has a good record vs the top 5? Probably the coaches that you all bash for cheating and buying players. Harbaugh, Urban, Dabo, and Saban. Dabo is no longer a hot commodity. Saban retired as soon as his competitive advantage was gone. Franklin at PSU probably has a better record than Saban at MSU. Harbaugh was on the hot seat until he started cheating.

Even coaches like Saban, Swinney, Smart and Meyer only have .500 records against the true Top 5 (teams finishing Top 5 in Final AP or Coaches Poll) - they don't all win the NC every year - so they lose to each other in the years they don't win. Harbaugh had a sub-.500 record against the true Top 5 as he lost to duhO$U every year except his last 2 and he lost against TCU in 2022. Harbaugh had 2 wins against true Top 5 - the CFP wins in 2023.

Many on here are just completely ignorant of the number of true Top 5 teams CJF has faced in his PSU tenure - he has played true Top 5 teams 13 times during the regular season in his 11 years at PSU (16 times including Postseason games) - that regular season number is likely going even higher as PSU plays Oregon, Indiana and duhO$U this year all of whom are potential Top 5 Final Poll teams.
 
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Top 5 or top 10 W/L stats are historical. They mean nothing in 2025. Like betting on a coin flip that keeps coming up tails. You can say that there's a mental aspect, but that's pretty much subjective.
 

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Apologize for bringing up Allar in the Allar thread, but here is a great Allar article from my Apple News feed (wsj.). This is the best i can do copy and pasted. The link won’t be enough if you do not pay for the premium service:

COLLEGE FOOTBALL


The Big Ten Quarterback Who Can’t Win the Big One


Drew Allar arrived at Penn State as a five-star recruit and aimed to bring the Nittany Lions their first national title since 1986. Now, the pressure is on.


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Drew Allar looks like a Penn State quarterback created by AI. He was a five-star recruit in high school. He stands 6-foot-5. His arm packs such power that, according to one NFL draft analyst, his throws can reach “nearly every blade of grass on the field on any given play.”


But as Allar approaches his most daunting challenge of the season so far, when the No. 3 Nittany Lions host No. 6 Oregon on Saturday, a sense of gloom hangs over Happy Valley.


Just as Allar’s development and experience are supposed to be peaking for his senior year, he has instead looked distressingly mediocre this season. Coupled with his persistent struggles against ranked opponents, it’s raising doubts about whether the quarterback who was supposed to end Penn State’s 39-year national championship drought will ever deliver on that promise.

“This is the biggest game of his career,” ESPN college football host Paul Finebaum said. “Some will say that’s hyperbolic, but a poor performance and a loss will make the pressure on him insufferable and suffocating.”


For his part, Allar hasn’t complained about feeling the pressure. But in recent weeks, he’s looked a lot like a 21-year-old with the expectations of 100,000 fans weighing on his right shoulder. In a Sept. 6 win over Florida International, Allar completed just 58% of his passes. One week later, against lower-division Villanova, he connected on just 55% and tossed an interception in an otherwise easy win.


“I’m just overthinking it,” Allar said of his display against FIU, in which he mistimed throws and whiffed on a gimme pass to his running back. “So, it’s just going out there and shutting my brain and going and playing.”

It’s possible that Allar is simply taking time to gel with a new cast of receivers and the Penn State offense will pick up steam. But as he enters the defining stretch of his final season in college football, it’s possible Allar is also experiencing a heightened feeling that the passage of time is working against him.


“There tends to be, in many people, an increased sense of pressure when there’s this feeling that time is running out,” said Brad Stulberg, author of several books on performance and success.


Allar wouldn’t be the first quarterback to struggle with the realization that after four years on campus, his college career has reached the now-or-never stage.


“As you get older, I think sometimes you start to recognize, ‘Man, my time is running out,’” said former Alabama quarterback Greg McElroy. “I think that becomes very challenging in itself to deal with. If I hadn’t won the national title my junior year, my senior year would have been the most pressure-packed year ever.”
Few quarterbacks have faced the kind of pressure that has accompanied Allar ever since he arrived at Penn State in 2022 amid a fanfare of hype and a belief that he would become the program’s first signal-caller to be selected in the opening round of the NFL Draft since Kerry Collins in 1995.


Penn State’s fan base looks at the team’s solid defense and two 1,000-yard rushers and sees Allar as the key to getting over the hump.


Larry Laird, Allar’s football coach at Medina (Ohio) High School, dismissed the idea that the pressure is getting to Allar. He said Allar just needs to trust himself.


“When I texted him last week after he had made those [overthinking] comments, I was like, ‘Hey, just go back to what we talked about when you were in high school: SFT. See it, feel it, trust it,’” Laird said. “For him, it’s definitely a feel.”
Penn State does have wellness and therapy services for athletes, but an athletics official wouldn’t say whether Allar has used them. Allar works with a private quarterbacks coach, but on throwing mechanics, not on mental training.


What’s certain is that Allar won’t face many more daunting situations than the one he confronts on Saturday. In his career, Allar has a 5-7 record against top-25 opponents. And Penn State hasn’t defeated a top-10 team at home in nine years.


Allar knows he won’t have many more chances to end that streak. But Stulberg, the author on success, has advice for people in similar circumstances: Acknowledge that what you’re trying to do is against the odds, then say to yourself, “‘F—it. Someone’s got to do it,’” he said, “‘so I’m going to go for it.’”


Write to Rachel Bachman at [email protected]
 
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Flawed logic.

For starters if you want to push stats then give the league average. Let's see the stats for everyone not just one coach. The fact that you and the media don't list the average is telling.

About 12 of franklin's ranked games were vs OSU. Who has a good record vs them? What is franklin's record vs everyone not named OSU? Rhule and schiano have zero wins for their career vs the top 20. Cignetti has 0-2 vs the top 5. O wins vs OSU.
He needs to beat them more than 1 in 10. We had 3 good shots at them and lost them all post '16, '17, '18 and '24. Plus the horrible ND loss. He at least should have won two of those and if he didn't win any others he would be doing okay.

There is no way anyone with any objectivity can look at this top 5 or top 10 record and say there is no way he should have done any better. Just win one more than he has for crying out loud The issue is he never wins any of these games. Yes, he won that 2016 OSU game so yeah it is not never but c'mon. I mean at this rate it will be 2040 and 2016 will still be the last time we beat OSU and everyone will excuse away a 25 game losing streak to them. Unbelievable.
 
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Apologize for bringing up Allar in the Allar thread, but here is a great Allar article from my Apple News feed (wsj.). This is the best i can do copy and pasted. The link won’t be enough if you do not pay for the premium service:

COLLEGE FOOTBALL


The Big Ten Quarterback Who Can’t Win the Big One


Drew Allar arrived at Penn State as a five-star recruit and aimed to bring the Nittany Lions their first national title since 1986. Now, the pressure is on.


Follow the WSJ in Apple News


Drew Allar looks like a Penn State quarterback created by AI. He was a five-star recruit in high school. He stands 6-foot-5. His arm packs such power that, according to one NFL draft analyst, his throws can reach “nearly every blade of grass on the field on any given play.”


But as Allar approaches his most daunting challenge of the season so far, when the No. 3 Nittany Lions host No. 6 Oregon on Saturday, a sense of gloom hangs over Happy Valley.


Just as Allar’s development and experience are supposed to be peaking for his senior year, he has instead looked distressingly mediocre this season. Coupled with his persistent struggles against ranked opponents, it’s raising doubts about whether the quarterback who was supposed to end Penn State’s 39-year national championship drought will ever deliver on that promise.

“This is the biggest game of his career,” ESPN college football host Paul Finebaum said. “Some will say that’s hyperbolic, but a poor performance and a loss will make the pressure on him insufferable and suffocating.”


For his part, Allar hasn’t complained about feeling the pressure. But in recent weeks, he’s looked a lot like a 21-year-old with the expectations of 100,000 fans weighing on his right shoulder. In a Sept. 6 win over Florida International, Allar completed just 58% of his passes. One week later, against lower-division Villanova, he connected on just 55% and tossed an interception in an otherwise easy win.


“I’m just overthinking it,” Allar said of his display against FIU, in which he mistimed throws and whiffed on a gimme pass to his running back. “So, it’s just going out there and shutting my brain and going and playing.”

It’s possible that Allar is simply taking time to gel with a new cast of receivers and the Penn State offense will pick up steam. But as he enters the defining stretch of his final season in college football, it’s possible Allar is also experiencing a heightened feeling that the passage of time is working against him.


“There tends to be, in many people, an increased sense of pressure when there’s this feeling that time is running out,” said Brad Stulberg, author of several books on performance and success.


Allar wouldn’t be the first quarterback to struggle with the realization that after four years on campus, his college career has reached the now-or-never stage.


“As you get older, I think sometimes you start to recognize, ‘Man, my time is running out,’” said former Alabama quarterback Greg McElroy. “I think that becomes very challenging in itself to deal with. If I hadn’t won the national title my junior year, my senior year would have been the most pressure-packed year ever.”
Few quarterbacks have faced the kind of pressure that has accompanied Allar ever since he arrived at Penn State in 2022 amid a fanfare of hype and a belief that he would become the program’s first signal-caller to be selected in the opening round of the NFL Draft since Kerry Collins in 1995.


Penn State’s fan base looks at the team’s solid defense and two 1,000-yard rushers and sees Allar as the key to getting over the hump.


Larry Laird, Allar’s football coach at Medina (Ohio) High School, dismissed the idea that the pressure is getting to Allar. He said Allar just needs to trust himself.


“When I texted him last week after he had made those [overthinking] comments, I was like, ‘Hey, just go back to what we talked about when you were in high school: SFT. See it, feel it, trust it,’” Laird said. “For him, it’s definitely a feel.”
Penn State does have wellness and therapy services for athletes, but an athletics official wouldn’t say whether Allar has used them. Allar works with a private quarterbacks coach, but on throwing mechanics, not on mental training.


What’s certain is that Allar won’t face many more daunting situations than the one he confronts on Saturday. In his career, Allar has a 5-7 record against top-25 opponents. And Penn State hasn’t defeated a top-10 team at home in nine years.


Allar knows he won’t have many more chances to end that streak. But Stulberg, the author on success, has advice for people in similar circumstances: Acknowledge that what you’re trying to do is against the odds, then say to yourself, “‘F—it. Someone’s got to do it,’” he said, “‘so I’m going to go for it.’”


Write to Rachel Bachman at [email protected]
Good article and I would agree this "gloom" is lingering because of his mediocre, underwhelming play versus totally over matched opponents.

AK has to get him off to a nice start with some easy throws, quick releases, swing it to Nick, hit Reybolds or Dinkins over the middle on a 10 yarder...whatever just get him in some kind of rhythm and then hopefully he can sustain it. That has been part of the problem though. He starts out okay sometimes then goes into an utter funk. It's like a golfer who goes par birdie par then has 3 straight double bogeys. It's clearly in his head.
 

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All of this debate over Franklin's record vs top 5 and whether any other coach has a good or average record vs top 5 misses the broader point. It is simple math to figure out only a select few will actually do pretty well vs top 5. These are the same ones who win championships... Saban, Meyer, Day, Smart. No one should expect Franklin to be at that level given our recruiting ratings.

The issue in my mind at least is just how bad he is as in essentially an 0fer minus the miraculous blocked FG in 2016. I don't expect 50% winning percentage but how about 20% perhaps? Versus OSU could we beat them 2 of 5 times? We should have won in '17, '18 and had actually good shot last year. If we take 2 of those 3, very reasonable, then at least versus them we are at 20% over a decade.

It astounds me the people that won't even provide critical feedback about this part of Franklin's coaching record. Like he is your son or something. He has to improve in this area. Not saying he needs to win top 5 matchups at some out of this world level but, hey, notch a few every once in a while.
The astounding bit is that you guys want one of the top 10 coaches in the sport fired for an unknown replacement, which is significantly more likely to have a negative result than continuing to improve with Franklin. And that you seem to think that PSU is entitled to be a national title contender every year, when PSU has never been that in their entire existence.

Yes PSU has had missed opportunities for some big wins. No, those losses aren't all on Franklin, players not executing when the chips are down is a bigger reason. Regardless, Franklin and the other coaches would probably be the first to say they could have done some things differently too. Yes PSU was the underdog and at a talent disadvantage in pretty much every single one of those losses, which is not the case for the other coaches records that you compare him to. None of these things come close to justifying the disdain some of you have for Franklin.
 

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Good article and I would agree this "gloom" is lingering because of his mediocre, underwhelming play versus totally over matched opponents.

AK has to get him off to a nice start with some easy throws, quick releases, swing it to Nick, hit Reybolds or Dinkins over the middle on a 10 yarder...whatever just get him in some kind of rhythm and then hopefully he can sustain it. That has been part of the problem though. He starts out okay sometimes then goes into an utter funk. It's like a golfer who goes par birdie par then has 3 straight double bogeys. It's clearly in his head.
Agreed, and they need to create early 2nd or 3rd and manageables and a fast pace. Use more play action on 2nd down. He clearly is under pressure in his own mind. Remove the opportunity for intrusive thoughts.
 

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He needs to beat them more than 1 in 10. We had 3 good shots at them and lost them all post '16, '17, '18 and '24. Plus the horrible ND loss. He at least should have won two of those and if he didn't win any others he would be doing okay.
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There is no way anyone with any objectivity can look at this top 5 or top 10 record and say there is no way he should have done any better. Just win one more than he has for crying out loud The issue is he never wins any of these games. Yes, he won that 2016 OSU game so yeah it is not never but c'mon. I mean at this rate it will be 2040 and 2016 will still be the last time we beat OSU and everyone will excuse away a 25 game losing streak to them. Unbelievable.
If psu wins will you even count it?
Oregon is not in the top 5. Oregon could drop out of the top 10 with a loss. Did you count smu or Boise? Both ranked in the top 11.
 

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The astounding bit is that you guys want one of the top 10 coaches in the sport fired for an unknown replacement, which is significantly more likely to have a negative result than continuing to improve with Franklin. And that you seem to think that PSU is entitled to be a national title contender every year, when PSU has never been that in their entire existence.

Yes PSU has had missed opportunities for some big wins. No, those losses aren't all on Franklin, players not executing when the chips are down is a bigger reason. Regardless, Franklin and the other coaches would probably be the first to say they could have done some things differently too. Yes PSU was the underdog and at a talent disadvantage in pretty much every single one of those losses, which is not the case for the other coaches records that you compare him to. None of these things come close to justifying the disdain some of you have for Franklin.
Imagine embracing the concept that the outcome of the game is primarily determined by the players?
 
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Urban was Joe’s choice for his replacement wasn’t he?
As he got older, Joe was fooled by a number of people. He didn't want Sandusky around, but I doubt he had any idea about some of the issues.......and he misjudged Magic Mike. Urban was very respectful of Joe. I appreciate that. But along with winning, Meyer has left carnage.
 
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Former 5* prized recruit and now third year starting QB - I think everyone can agree that Allar has IMPROVED every year since arriving at PSU. But is this another case of looks the part vs actual production?

What is Allar’s best game of his career? USC? He also threw two picks in that game. Likely, what we’d come up with was a game vs mediocre to bad competition. He has yet to put together a good performance against an elite defense in his career. His MENTAL aspect of the game doesn’t seem strong - emotional, visibly down, seems anxious and nervous in big moments.

He continues to make the same mistakes with his footwork which results in inaccuracies.

Is it finally to admit the deep ball issue is an Allar issue? The WR needs to be 10 yards wide open for him to even throw it, or he regularly under throws the WR. Does he change his mechanics too? It looks like he aims a deep pass.

I don’t want to ignore what we does well, of course - he has a canon of an arm and throws down the middle of the field + across the far hash better than any qb is college. He’s become a hell of an athlete and moves well out of the pocket as well. But after yesterday, I think it’s time to commit to running the ball and taking as much pressure off Allar as possible. Develop the OL and lean totally on our two elite RBs - I’m talking 40-50 rushing attempts a game.
Hey Wizard, you’re a little famous now. Your thread was mentioned and discussed for about 10 minutes on the Andy Staples Podcast with Ari Wasserman yesterday (Andy & Ari On3).

I’ll link it below. They start discussing this thread and Allar at the 1hr 14min mark for anyone interested.

 

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The astounding bit is that you guys want one of the top 10 coaches in the sport fired for an unknown replacement, which is significantly more likely to have a negative result than continuing to improve with Franklin. And that you seem to think that PSU is entitled to be a national title contender every year, when PSU has never been that in their entire existence.

Yes PSU has had missed opportunities for some big wins. No, those losses aren't all on Franklin, players not executing when the chips are down is a bigger reason. Regardless, Franklin and the other coaches would probably be the first to say they could have done some things differently too. Yes PSU was the underdog and at a talent disadvantage in pretty much every single one of those losses, which is not the case for the other coaches records that you compare him to. None of these things come close to justifying the disdain some of you have for Franklin.
I'm not sure that the hate really has anything to do with his results on the field.
 
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Hey Wizard, you’re a little famous now. Your thread was mentioned and discussed for about 10 minutes on the Andy Staples Podcast with Ari Wasserman yesterday (Andy & Ari On3).

I’ll link it below. They start discussing this thread and Allar at the 1hr 14min mark for anyone interested.


Did they mention laka?
 
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As he got older, Joe was fooled by a number of people. He didn't want Sandusky around, but I doubt he had any idea about some of the issues.......and he misjudged Magic Mike. Urban was very respectful of Joe. I appreciate that. But along with winning, Meyer has left carnage.
Harry told me about Sandusky in 2001. Am I to believe only me n Harry knew?
 

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Flawed logic.

For starters if you want to push stats then give the league average. Let's see the stats for everyone not just one coach. The fact that you and the media don't list the average is telling.

About 12 of franklin's ranked games were vs OSU. Who has a good record vs them? What is franklin's record vs everyone not named OSU? Rhule and schiano have zero wins for their career vs the top 20. Cignetti has 0-2 vs the top 5. O wins vs OSU.
So you think losing two thirds of his games versus teams in the top 25 is fine?
 
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Maybe Allar simply doesn’t want to be good at football. Ever consider that?
 

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So you think losing two thirds of his games versus teams in the top 25 is fine?

He has a winning record against top 25 teams not named OSU. Who has a winning record vs OSU?

You lose credibility if you wànt rhule who has zero wins vs the top 20 for his career.

Name a replacement for Franklin and make sure they meet the same criteria you use for Franklin.
 
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Hey Wizard, you’re a little famous now. Your thread was mentioned and discussed for about 10 minutes on the Andy Staples Podcast with Ari Wasserman yesterday (Andy & Ari On3).

I’ll link it below. They start discussing this thread and Allar at the 1hr 14min mark for anyone interested.


I actually noticed in the main board, that this is one of the trending discussions across on3.

Someone owes me a check!
 

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He has a winning record against top 25 teams not named OSU. Who has a winning record vs OSU?

You lose credibility if you wànt rhule who has zero wins vs the top 20 for his career.

Name a replacement for Franklin and make sure they meet the same criteria you use for Franklin.
So he never beats OSU, okay one-time ten years ago, you're okay with that? So are you okay losing to OSU for the next 20 years, 30 years, forever? Michigan has beaten them 3 years in a row. Georgia has beaten them, Clemson, Oregon, Alabama. They are not invincible but apparently you think no one can ever beat them hence the excuses for Franklin.
 
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Check Joe’s record in bowls and major bowls - against the best of the best.

O$U are as good as they are because we cede the best players in our area to them. Especially in Ohio - where Joe got many of his all-time greats.

We are O$U’s doormat because we can’t compete at the highest level - in any facet of football. Who is in charge of that? Once we start wining some of those battles, O$U will take a quick step back to historical levels.
IMHO the 2017 and 2018 losses to OSU where we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory were the turning point. We win 3 straight (and let's admit that 2016 took an amazing but fluke play to win) vs OSU and EVERYTHING changes regarding recruiting, mystique, mind set etc.

Add in the inexplicable hangover losses to MSU the weeks following those losses and the narrative turned from "we're back" to "we caught lightning in a bottle in a magical 2016".

It was RIGHT there for us to control our own destiny and it got away from us and the gap widened with OSU.
 
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