Tough conversation: is Allar good enough?
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Actually, the latest ESPN owned SP+ forward-looking "predictive" model currently has PSU #1. Here is the link:
https://www.espn.com/college-footba...llege-football-sp+-rankings-all-136-fbs-teams
Last I checked Drew is a returning multi-year starter - most would expect such a QB to play far better and more consistently in the first 3 games of their final year of eligibility..... but not the board's resident moron - he thinks by babbling "scrimmage" over and over it changes the fact his play has been inconsistent and subpar.
Allen looks faster… period. We’ve all seen him play enough to know he looks faster. We’ve seen him play slower competition before and he looks faster than he has against slower competition in the past.
Reynolds has done exactly what one would reasonably expect. And that is improve from year 1 to year 2. You’re arguing about that just to argue. No reasonable person believes a true freshman doesn’t grow as a player into their sophomore season.
My opinion...you underestimated his speed in the past
Again, using the logic you used for Reynolds then everyone has improved. Reynolds simply didn't have opportunities last year because of how elite Warren was. He would have been very productive last year if given the opportunity.
Not sure this is the thread to discuss what reasonable people would think as very few people are.
Just ignore him. He will methodically wreck every message thread on Tom‘s forum unless you put him on ignore. He did the same thing over at rivals. There were many request to the moderators over there to put him on a permanent vacation.
There were a handful of people there, including you, that dislike me...that's your problem. In all my time there not once did anyone say anything to me aside from following the Ohio State game because you all couldn't handle positivity following the loss. And even then it was "could you do me a favor" not a demand. A request which i agreed to for a few hours so the irrational people could stop acting like children.
Instead of talking about me (your obsession) talk about sports...if you have the knowledge to do so. You don't have to agree with me kiddo.
It was literally an ongoing joke about your obsession with me.
You don’t know me so it’s very odd that you have an opinion that I underestimated his speed in the past.
So your impression is that players remain static from the time they show up until they leave at 22 (of these days I suppose 23, 24, 35, or 26)? That’s a bizarre take, but have at it. If a guy hasn’t improved from 1 to year 2 he isn’t trying.
None of them have improved from Pop Warner or High School - don't you know. Anybody who thinks players remain static from the age of 19 to 21 is just a moron (but you're conversing with the board's resident moron, so......). CJF has stated in PCs that Allen is not only faster but much leaner than he was last year - and is down 15 to 20 pounds and has increased his muscle mass at the same time. But what would he know?
Which isn't what I said. Though 3 games against weak competition it's absurd IMO to talk about. Kaytron doesn't look any different. He's the same powerful back with good short burst. Reynolds is exactly what was expected. Again, using your logic then everyone is better or we should cut them as they aren't trying.
Your logic is non-existent. Now you’re saying Reynolds cannot have gotten better because he’s only played three games against weak competition? Allen can’t be faster for the same reason? It makes no sense.
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You're not following any of this because you dont want to. We've seen nothing against 3 weak opponents that supports they've improved. We'll see who has improved when we play Oregon, Ohio State, etc. This is like people saying X is going to be great because he practiced well or a big B/W game. It means nothing. It also doesn't mean anything when they struggle.
I'm not sure why you're unwilling to accept that improvement is judged based on the best competition. Not "name the score" games
And again saying Reynolds improved is illogical...you have no idea what he would have done last year if he had opportunities. That's reality.
Good luck trying to understand the logic. Only the big games show how good someone is? That is unless Drew struggles again vs Oregon, then you’ll have to read about how that game was really just a meaningless, glorified scrimmage because we can still make the playoff.
The Oregon game matters...for seeding
We need to see a big step forward across the board including Drew. We can know for him to be successful others also mist execute. Or maybe not everyone knows that...
At this point, anyone who argues with Lando deserves what they get.
Whenever you read those crazy warning labels on products and think to yourself "wtf? how dumb can people be? no one should have to be told not to do that" ... if you argue with Lando, you're the person that label was intended for.
Whenever you read those crazy warning labels on products and think to yourself "wtf? how dumb can people be? no one should have to be told not to do that" ... if you argue with Lando, you're the person that label was intended for.
I think there is a difference in what we expected of a 5* TE and what he showed last year vs through 3 games this year. While his opportunities are up (via Warren turning pro), I don't think he displayed the run after the catch abilities he's shown thus far through 3 games.
Allen is a much trickier comp. We've seen him for 40+ games. He does seem a bit faster, but he's never going to be Singleton 40 yard dash fast.
One thing I will say about Oregon, they have gotten 7 RBs between 7 and 20 rushes, yardage between 20 and 161 yards. One of which is the Tulane transfer (who is towards the bottom currently). We have only gotten 4 RBs rushes (41, 34, 6 and 5).
And if he throws 3 picks it is the WRs fault or AK's fault. Everyone knows your schtick.
Actually, Reynolds will never improve. Think about it. This makes perfect sense, after he catches 7 balls for 90 yards and a TD vs Oregon the answer is he was always going to do that and that was the expectation so no he has not improved. Simple.
Was this the thread with rankings? Posting here anyway.
SP+ just taking into account 2025. And somehow we are #3.
As long as you agree that Allar can be blamed for a pick. Although interestingly I think you say that only in the theoretical. I don't think there is actually a pick or bad play by Allar ever in his history playing at PSU that you think he should be blamed for. For example, let's simply take the pick at the end of the ND game in the Orange Bowl. That couldn't possibly be his fault at all....
I said "like the pick last week' which isn't theoretical. He misread the defense and went to the checkdown. Bad read. No theory involved.
Tons of people, including Drew, were to blame for pick against ND. That was an epic failure by almost everyone involved.
Again, this goes back to people looking for perfection. Drew isn't perfect. No QB has ever been. No coach. No player. No official. No one.
The topic is "good enough" which he obviously is. As are others in FBS.
Nobody said he needs to be perfect. He doesn't even need to win the NC but he better lead us to winning a few more big games before his tenure is up.
The pick against ND was Allar's fault. You can blame the WR for running the wrong route but it's the QBs job to get rid of the ball when the play isn't there. There's no excuse for throwing into traffic in your own territory with 33 seconds remaining in a tie game. The absolute worst outcome should be OT.
People aren't looking for perfection but they are looking for Allar to perform like a 5* QB in his senior year. Elite players put the team on their backs when needed against top opponents. Our three top opponents last year were:
OSU: PSU down 7. 1st and goal from the 3, final play is incomplete pass into traffic.
Oregon: PSU down 8. 2nd and 1 from near midfield and plenty of time on the clock. Pass intercepted.
ND: Tie game with 33 seconds to play and ball in PSU territory. Pass intercepted.
Allar has been a good QB and he's made some good plays. But in crunch time against top competition he hasn't performed like an elite player. Good yes. Elite no.
And, teams win games. He can't beat ND by himself. He did "win" two playoff games.
You flat out ignored the fact you incorrectly accused me of only "theoretically" saying he can make a mistake
False, it wasn't just his fault. The play-calling was horrific right there. A QB is often going to get picked when the WR doesn't run their route correctly. How would any QB be successful in that scenario? The throw was poor but lots of people to blame.
I disagree--they are looking for perfection and still talking about his *s is a huge problem. That's irrelevant.
Against Ohio State you're just ignoring the play calling up until the final play--why? You don't ever do what AK did there. You're also forgetting the dropped TD that was a pick that changed the game.
Against Oregon, he threw the ball exactly as intended and his WR didn't fight for it. He ran the play exactly how it was called--something Trace was praised for. You know that was the play call, right? Yes? Maybe?
Against ND--valid--that was his worst game but you're still ignoring other factors
Allar's been better than "good" and he's made more than "some good plays". He's clearly elite--your expectations just aren't reasonable especially in an offense that doesn't play to his strengths. When AK adapts the offense around his talent and Drew fails then he'll be "the problem" but, as of today, there shouldn't be any doubt he's good enough
I won't lie--I don't care about the B1G title game--hopefully those are eliminated asap. Playing one less game is ideal.
10 wins and we're a lock. 9 wins and it depends on what else happens. A 10-3 Pen State team with a loss in a B1G title game has nothing to worry.
The fact that you think the ND pick is everyone's fault or some crap like that which you concoct is evidence you don't have an objective opinion of Allar.
Is it ever just his fault and no one else? We will hang up and listen for your answer.