He was great at everything Franklin is weak: preparation - especially for big games, instilling toughness- physical and mental, innovation, and in-game adjustments. Compared to Joe, Franklin is like a glorified high school coach.If Joe were still alive, he’d probably laugh at Penn State.
Tough conversation: is Allar good enough?
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Yeah - once things were expanded from 4-12 teams. Played 3 decent teams last year. Record? O-3. Plateaued.
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Vanderbilt is currently ranked.As school like Vanderbilt perhaps? Where Franklin led them to some of their best ever seasons?
Check Joe’s record in bowls and major bowls - against the best of the best.
O$U are as good as they are because we cede the best players in our area to them. Especially in Ohio - where Joe got many of his all-time greats.
We are O$U’s doormat because we can’t compete at the highest level - in any facet of football. Who is in charge of that? Once we start wining some of those battles, O$U will take a quick step back to historical levels.
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Technically he’s available but probably very little chance he ever coaches again. Urban Meyer was 20-8 vs top 10 teams, 11-4 vs top 5 teams, and 3-2 vs the #1 ranked team. I would say that’s an incredible record.
I don’t really know. I mentioned Cignetti not as a replacement. I mentioned him to show the difficulty in determining who will succeed. I don’t know if many people could predict his current success at Indiana. And would his current success translate to a higher profile football school? I was trying to show the foolishness in the argument that PSU should part ways with Franklin. I think it’s absurd. Franklin has things running really well. There‘s no basis to part ways with him. There’s actually a stronger argument to retain him.
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Is Joe available? Do you want to hire his corpse?
Do you have any living coaches with good records vs OSU who would actually want the job? Give us the list.
Urban Meyer was not 11-4 against true Top 5 teams (i.e., teams who finished the season Top 5). He was 0-0 at BGSU, 0-0 at Utah, 2-2 at UF and 3-4 at duhO$U. He was 5-6 for his HC career against TRUE Top 5 and only 5 of those were played during the Regular Season and he went 1-4 in those games (again, Ryan Day is 4-6 against the TRUE Top 5 since becoming a head coach in 2019, he was 0-5 coming into last year - Day is 1-4 against the TRUE Top 5 during Regular Season meetings. 3 of his 4 total wins against TRUE Top 5 were in last year's CFP - Texas, Oregon and ND.).
Read my post again, CJF has played TRUE Top 5 teams 12 times in the Regular Season (Day and Meyer played TRUE Top 5 teams only 5 times each during the Regular Season schedule and both were 1-4 in those Regular Season matchups). Counting rankings at time of play is spurious and stupid as a team like Clemson proves this year OR a team like 2017 Oklahoma proves - duhO$U lost to Oklahoma in the 2017 Regular Season, but you don't count it against Urban Meyer's record because they weren't even ranked at time of play, but finished #3 at the end of the season after making 4-team CFP.
Why did he have a losing record vs Michigan, OSU and Iowa after joining the b10?
He was losing recruits to pitt.
Was he great at handling the Sandusky circus?
It's competitive athletics. Everyone should find a coach that wins. Yet every week 50% are losers. Only fans blame the coach for every loss.
Every red blooded American male's goal is to marry Miss America.....look around.....how's that working out? LOL
Why stop there? Go to the top. We might attract Jesus. I'll bet after one season these fanboys would want him fired and replaced by his father.
Why not hire a half dozen candidates? Give them each one game and let the BWICAC choose their savior?
Comparing apples to apples......logical and accurate. Unlike your "give somebody else a chance" high school chant.
Shiny new object. I think Tom Allen was touted as a genius for about 3 or 4 months at Indy. I remember when the fanboys here got all moist between the thighs over Jeff Brohm when he upset Ohio State. Fanatics. Gotta love em.
Here's the skinny on all the James Franklin hate. You better hope he wins. Because if he does, chances are he's leaving. His buyout is down to 1 million after 2025. If PSU makes a run in the playoffs again, he will be offered 13 million per year by someone. I doubt PSU will want to match that given their committments to the stadium and the fact that they need to get in the top 5-8 of NIL. If he goes 8-4 or 9-3 he's staying, because his buyout is 50 million and they aren't paying him that parting gift and then bringing in a replacement with a 100 million dollar contract.
Vanderbilt was ranked in the FINAL AP poll in 2012-13. Let's get that coach!
By your logic no team in history has beaten an undefeated team since that team doesn’t finished undefeated. They weren’t truly undefeated.
And that would also mean Arkansas 2007 is the only team in history to beat a #1 team.
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I hope it plays out like this. Franklin continues to succeed. PSU makes him an offer that’s acceptable to him. Franklin and Kraft continue to improve PSU football.
Don’t have to…they weren’t as good as these OSU teams…check five star level talent and learn.
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And still only won two NC’s in 47 years and none in the last 25. And did not have near the success once they joined the Big 10.
Huh? What? What I posted has nothing to do with "logic" (which you clearly lack) - it has to do with simple OBJECTIVE FACTS. Urban Meyer (and Ryan Day) were 1-4 during the Regular Season against teams they played who finished ranked Top 5 in the Final Poll of the same season. Again, that is a FACT, not "my logic" dipsheet. It is also a FACT, not "logic", that Urban Meyer (And Ryan Day so far in his career) only played 5 Regular Season games against opponents who finished in the Top 5 of the Final AP Poll for that specific season in his 17 year FBS HC career. And lastly, it is A FACT, not "logic", that CJF has played 13 teams in the Regular Season that have finished Top 5 in the Final AP Poll for that season during his 11 years at PSU through last year (duhO$U & MSU in 2014, duhO$U in 2015, duhO$U 2017, duhO$U 2018, duhO$U 2019, duhO$U in 2020, scUM 2021, scUM & duhO$U in 2022, scUM in 2023 and duhO$U 2024).
Again, those are objective FACTS based on simple mathematics, not "my logic". There isn't a coach in America who has faced the number of TRUE Top 5 teams (i.e., teams who finished the season in the Top 5 of Final AP Poll) during the Regular Season as CJF has - again, Urban Meyer and Ryan Day to-date are both 1-4 against TRUE Top 5 competition during the Regular Season.
BTW, what does all your word-salad illogical psycho-babble about undefeated teams have to do with being a TRUE Top 5 team in a given season (i.e., being Ranked Top 5 in the Final AP Poll)??? 99% of the TRUE Top 5 teams over CJF's career were not undefeated genius, so what in the hell you're prattling on about, only you know in that peanut-brain of yours.
Why are you comparing JVP to CJF? The comparisons are irrelevant and JVP would like what CJF has done - he has been an extension of the "Success With Honor" culture that JVP initiated.
I loved Joe Paterno as a coach.....but even more for the standards he lived by and stood for. I always believed (when I coached myself) that especially in the physical sport of football, we as coaches were obligated to impart life lessons and promote character traits that went far beyond the skills of blocking and tackling. I was fortunate to have such a coach as a young man and it impacts my life to this day. Many of Joe's former players have testified that they detested his methods at the time, but as they matured, have come to understand his approach.
But when it comes to "on the field results" Joe's very best results were about 40 years ago. I guess it says something about the individuals that still invoke his name to diminish James.
I think James has done a great job of balancing and embracing the "PSU football culture," while ushering PSU into the new world of college football.
I'm not worried about the future of James Franklin. He's independently wealthy, has a loving family and will never be out of a job that pays him millions of dollars to do (a job that I was once paid $3500 to do.....but I had a lot of advice and help as well....LOL)
Fans are whipped into a frenzy insisting this is a "legacy" or "must win game." The sun will rise on Sunday....one way or the other. Even if PSU wins, the next such game is only a few weeks away. Similar games will be played by LSU, USC, etc. Last week, the world came crashing down at Clemson and Nebraska and a few weeks before that at Notre Dame, Texas and Alabama (where their moto is "we deserve better"). So it goes in the world of competitive sport......where 50% of all competitors lose every contest but fanboys insist it should never happen to their beloved teams. LOL
I'm done with this topic. "Never argue with fools, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience."
He beat multiple #1 ranked teams in the road. How many of those does Franklin have? He could not even beat Indiana when he had the ball and a 99.8% chance to win.
Product of employment by failing public school system. Show up and get a trophy mentality.
That’s Krafty’s job. If you lose every big game, there is no where to go but up!
How about make a run at Urban Meyer? Kind of like getting Knowles on steroids!
He was great at nearly everything…much, much better than Franklin. He did so well with handling Sandusky circus that NCAA used it as a blueprint further how to handle in future. He was betrayed by PSU Judases and corrupt politicians.
And only fanboys glorify coaches - thinking they can do no wrong and are above accountability.
Exactly…a genius…loses every single game if note - even home games!!! Road victory? That will be the next decade.
When will such success result in a win over a top team? Another dozen years? How about a big road win? Year 30?
No, he didn’t….outside of Pitt twice, I don’t think he ever had a true road win over a number one ranked team.
Woody had a few decent teams and players. Back-to-back Heisman Trophy winner ring a bell? Learn.
He did his job. Best big bowl game record ever. More “uncrowned” undefeated teams than all the rest of d1 combined. Winningest coach of all time.
I’ll bet Franklin can rest easier knowing you are not worried about him lol.