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I know you're being obtuse, but to repeat something that's been repeated a thousand times. Pope is in his second year with THREE injuries and started his tenure here with an empty cupboard. Enough.
The excuses of an empty cupboard doesn't fly in today's age especially when you got college free agency and a 22 million dollar roster at your disposal!
 
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You're nuts if you think UK doesn't have massive advantages.
The money UK dedicated to basketball, is more than any other program, plus, there is no other program that can match fan support and the lights are brighter here. Every game is on ESPN, every youtube channel prioritizes UK (because the fanbase) and at UK, basketball comes first. Every game, press conference, open practice and recruitment, is a major production here. There is no program like UK.

And the reason Pope is the coach, is not because we couldn't attract a higher profile coach, it's because Mitch is a huge wuss. He didn't even consider guys like Pearl, Oats, the guy at Texas Tech, the guy at Iowa state, or anyone at the NBA level. He probed Hurley, who isn't leaving UConn and he approached a guy down in Waco that is coasting, because he's his church buddy. That's it, it's not because UK couldn't get better. Bruce Pearl would crawl here.

Just the money and fan support alone, are massive advantages that UK has, I don't get how anyone can deny that.

So you believe that with all of these resources and all of the money, Mitch just said "welp u know what lets go with the guy from BYU that didnt really have any major success"?

Pope wasn't the first choice here, Or the second, Or the third.

Would Pearl have come if called? Sure prehaps. He seemed to me to always speak highly of UK.
But Hurley didn't wanna leave Uconn
Oats didn't wanna leave Alabama.
Drew didn't wanna leave Baylor
Few they didn't even bother with because everyone knows he's staying in Spokane.

So where are all these high level coaches that are knocking down the door to coach this program? Because I'm not seeing it.
 

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From the time Coach Hall retired, we have never got our first choice. Sometimes, not even our second. So, while UK is the "Mecca" of college basketball, not everyone desires the commitment it takes.
 

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So you believe that with all of these resources and all of the money, Mitch just said "welp u know what lets go with the guy from BYU that didnt really have any major success"?

Pope wasn't the first choice here, Or the second, Or the third.

Would Pearl have come if called? Sure prehaps. He seemed to me to always speak highly of UK.
But Hurley didn't wanna leave Uconn
Oats didn't wanna leave Alabama.
Drew didn't wanna leave Baylor
Few they didn't even bother with because everyone knows he's staying in Spokane.

So where are all these high level coaches that are knocking down the door to coach this program? Because I'm not seeing it.
they didn't want to replace a HOFer like Calipari.
lot of those same guys will be more than happy to replace Pope.
 

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So you believe that with all of these resources and all of the money, Mitch just said "welp u know what lets go with the guy from BYU that didnt really have any major success"?

Pope wasn't the first choice here, Or the second, Or the third.

Would Pearl have come if called? Sure prehaps. He seemed to me to always speak highly of UK.
But Hurley didn't wanna leave Uconn
Oats didn't wanna leave Alabama.
Drew didn't wanna leave Baylor
Few they didn't even bother with because everyone knows he's staying in Spokane.

So where are all these high level coaches that are knocking down the door to coach this program? Because I'm not seeing it.
Yeah, I do believe Mitch did just that. He should never be allowed to hire another basketball coach. This is twice now where he got lazy.

You appear to be hinting that UK didn't have the money to pay a top rated coach. But the only way that's true, is if the Cal buyout affected that, because Cal was the highest paid coach in the country when he was here.

Mitch got lazy, but also, there really aren't very many good options and more importantly, just because you're Kentucky and you can pay more, doesn't automatically mean you get whatever coach you want, so I'm not sure why you think that is what we would use as proof that UK does, or doesn't have more resources than everyone else. Duke wouldn't have pulled Hurley either.
 

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And they really didn't try with Oats. He reminds me of Kiffin. U make him an offer he can't refuse like lsu did kiffin. He would have came Here IMO.
i think so. we really don't know for sure how aggressively we pursued Hurley either.
Scott Drew is the one we can actually confirm rejected us.
Few we were talking to early on in Cal's last season in case things went south (they did). But yeah he ain't leaving Gonzaga so that was a total non-starter
 

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Yeah, I do believe Mitch did just that. He should never be allowed to hire another basketball coach. This is twice now where he got lazy.

You appear to be hinting that UK didn't have the money to pay a top rated coach. But the only way that's true, is if the Cal buyout affected that, because Cal was the highest paid coach in the country when he was here.

Mitch got lazy, but also, there really aren't very many good options and more importantly, just because you're Kentucky and you can pay more, doesn't automatically mean you get whatever coach you want, so I'm not sure why you think that is what we would use as proof that UK does, or doesn't have more resources than everyone else. Duke wouldn't have pulled Hurley either.
we can and will get another elite coach. anyone saying otherwise is just spouting sh*t. be very suspicious of these people and their motives. sounds like Barnhart speak.
 
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Yeah, I do believe Mitch did just that. He should never be allowed to hire another basketball coach. This is twice now where he got lazy.

You appear to be hinting that UK didn't have the money to pay a top rated coach. But the only way that's true, is if the Cal buyout affected that, because Cal was the highest paid coach in the country when he was here.

Mitch got lazy, but also, there really aren't very many good options and more importantly, just because you're Kentucky and you can pay more, doesn't automatically mean you get whatever coach you want, so I'm not sure why you think that is what we would use as proof that UK does, or doesn't have more resources than everyone else. Duke wouldn't have pulled Hurley either.
I mean I don't really know. We know how much they gave Pope. Actually to be honest if they did have the money to pay for a top coach and didn't land one, that to me is even more troubling.

Money usually talks. People usually just go to whereever offers them the most money beit coaches, managers or players.

So IMO either one of two things is true here:
1) UK has the money and resources and yet still cannot land a top coach.
2) UK doesn't have the money or resources ppl seem to think they have and that has hurt their ability to land a top end coach.

I just find it highly unlikely for Mitch to hire someone that he found to be sub optimal. The success of the basketball program and football program is pretty much tied to his success (no one here gives a damn about other sports lol). If I'm the AD, I am hiring the very best coach I can get. You seem to suggest that Mitch didn't have the programs best interests at hand but I can't imagine that being the case here. I mean the man did hit a Home Run when he hired Cal back in 2010. Stoops had some relative success with the football program. It's not as if prior history didn't suggest that Mitch wouldn't aim for the stars here.

Or prehaps he just felt Pope was the right decision regardless of his prior accomplishments. Which......in that case, we'll just have to see how this all plays out. I'm not off the Pope wagon after 1 year and a half. I think that's a bit silly. I think he could have some success here. But that remains to be seen I guess.
 

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I mean I don't really know. We know how much they gave Pope. Actually to be honest if they did have the money to pay for a top coach and didn't land one, that to me is even more troubling.

Money usually talks. People usually just go to whereever offers them the most money beit coaches, managers or players.

So IMO either one of two things is true here:
1) UK has the money and resources and yet still cannot land a top coach.
2) UK doesn't have the money or resources ppl seem to think they have and that has hurt their ability to land a top end coach.

I just find it highly unlikely for Mitch to hire someone that he found to be sub optimal. The success of the basketball program and football program is pretty much tied to his success (no one here gives a damn about other sports lol). If I'm the AD, I am hiring the very best coach I can get. You seem to suggest that Mitch didn't have the programs best interests at hand but I can't imagine that being the case here. I mean the man did hit a Home Run when he hired Cal back in 2010. Stoops had some relative success with the football program. It's not as if prior history didn't suggest that Mitch wouldn't aim for the stars here.

Or prehaps he just felt Pope was the right decision regardless of his prior accomplishments. Which......in that case, we'll just have to see how this all plays out. I'm not off the Pope wagon after 1 year and a half. I think that's a bit silly. I think he could have some success here. But that remains to be seen I guess.
No, Mitch simply got lazy and he wanted another church guy that buttons his shirt all the way to the top, instead of a guy that lives on the edge, because that might be a bad look and too risky.

My point still stands though, UK is going to dump more money into their basketball program than any other school. Duke might be right there with UK, but throughout the history of the game, there has always been 1 or 2 other programs that prioritized basketball the way UK did, but again, the lights are brighter at UK and the fanbase puts the program above the others, including duke.

Like I said originally, UK has advantages over any other school out there, especially in the SEC, we just don't have the right AD. I'm not saying the other blue bloods aren't at least close, but again, this fanbase puts UK ahead.

One thing is for sure, there is no way UT, Alabama, Gonzaga, Florida, Auburn, Houston, Michigan, UConn, or any other program that has had a bunch of success lately, has any advantages over UK, other than at the Athletic Director position. That's where our problem is.
 
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