Towles says there was dissension in locker room
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Not sure how to take that exchange. What I do know is the current players need to get their acts together and treat this offseason like it's their last. This program desperately needs leadership because it's painfully obvious there is not much of it right now. Players like Kash and Tobias have the swagger yet the work ethic to back it up. A lot of current players have swagger but lack of work ethic and team first attitudes. It's clear to me the team fell apart when Boom had his drama queen episode and his Dad was told not to walk with the team during the Catwalk. Yet, Stoops let him come back like nothing happened and I think it rubbed a lot of the older players the wrong way.
I will bet I can point to at least 100 Towles v Barker threads from this past fall where many fans chimed in about Towles negatively - including yourself. There is no way in hell Swindle was the subject of our fans anger at the level or volume like Towles was. Not even close. Laughable that you've even brought him into the equation.
I was responding to someone who said you didn't have to be in the locker room to understand there was some team dissension this past fall.
I agreed with that poster, and mentioned that Towles confirmed it.
Am I missing something? Are you trying to say there WASNT team dissension?
What am I missing here. The kid was given chance to be starter for 3 years, he loses his job for meaningless game and decides to quit, he has pretty much said he had made his mind up somewhere during end of season about transferring. The kid played lousy for a guy who was a 4th year Jr. He was making terrible throws, he was not much of a leader. The fact that he could not make one play that last stretch to get us a win is disappointing.
Sick and tired of people making him out a martyr, I commend Swindle or someone else who was put at LT and was not equipped to play that position in the SEC but came to play every day and still had to go back out there. He had penalties and was ripped. He was not a LT, he worked hard with what he had. He did not take his FB and go home and prance around the last 3 games because he was pissed. He sucked it up and played with injuries, penalties and by the way play the second toughest position in FB, LT in SEC blocking OLBers and DE's who will play on Sunday. Yeah that is a man there regardless of his talent.
Give credit to someone like that, Patrick has every advantage you can have in terms of size, throwing.
Rich Brooks came out on Finebaum and another interview and said pretty much problem with UK is the thing you must have, QB play. Blame on OL, Blame on Stoops, Blame on Dawson, bottom line is QB play was terrible.
Sick and tired of people making him out a martyr, I commend Swindle or someone else who was put at LT and was not equipped to play that position in the SEC but came to play every day and still had to go back out there. He had penalties and was ripped. He was not a LT, he worked hard with what he had. He did not take his FB and go home and prance around the last 3 games because he was pissed. He sucked it up and played with injuries, penalties and by the way play the second toughest position in FB, LT in SEC blocking OLBers and DE's who will play on Sunday. Yeah that is a man there regardless of his talent.
Give credit to someone like that, Patrick has every advantage you can have in terms of size, throwing.
Rich Brooks came out on Finebaum and another interview and said pretty much problem with UK is the thing you must have, QB play. Blame on OL, Blame on Stoops, Blame on Dawson, bottom line is QB play was terrible.
Your post above insinuated Towles was a me-me-me guy. Am I wrong?
Yes - he struggled as a starting QB for UK. No question about that. What I don't understand are those who complain he is transferring.
They don't want him here, yet criticize him for leaving/quitting on the team....that's having it both ways.
Do you all want him to stay and sit the bench next year?
I agree with you, but most guys don't transfer the way he did. Two year starter, instate "dream" school as a kid, obvious locker room turmoil.
He's just making excuses for himself , he was a bad college qb here because he couldn't throw and was a mentally weak . He left without leaving , we hear more from him now than when he was here . With every interview I think he was the biggest problem , his underperforming was a big point of contention . Whatever the case may be , we'll be better off now that he's gone .
THIS!!!! He shouldn't even be talking about UK right now. He has a new team. He should have left. He wasn't very good and wasn't going to play here unless Barker got hurt. Now, he needs to move on and be quiet. I agree that the more he talks the more I am convinced that he and Dawson were the real issues.
So you can make 20 posts a day about UK but Towles isn't aloud to weigh in. Do you think before you type this stuff? Or are you really this off-the-wall?
One of the most pleasurable good riddance's this program has ever had. Don't let the door hit your a$$ on the way out! Thanks for the memories of sucking for 2 straight years as a starter I guess? People are going to get on me for this and as many problems as I have with stoops and his coaching ability (or inability for that matter, its pretty nonexistent honestly), the man did give you every chance in the world to make something happen and you never produced. And the thanks you give stoops for giving a good word for you is throwing him under the bus by saying he used Dawson as the sacrificial lamb? Completely destroyed my opinion of he's a high character kid that's just a horrible football player. Nope not only is he an awful football player, I question his character now because for him to throw someone under the bus that's given him every chance to succeed (too many chances honestly) and someone that has done so much for him. Couldn't be happier to see this guy leave he was an atrcious QB at best and if BC decides to start him, have fun with your defense staying on the field 40+ minutes a game! I think it'll be really sad if BC fans are actually excited to have him. If you have a blind orangutang on the roster BC, then you'll be better off starting the orangutang over towles. Because the man is a garbo at best QB. As I said good riddance. Your services are definitely not needed here nor will you be missed.
No a man with a request like that deserves a brand new car for Christmas if his wish came true. I salute you sir! I too would love for towles to take stoops with him it would make this the merriest of Christmases
Well we do pay their salaries to get horrible results. So we should at least have some say so. Which will be the emptying of seats like what happened in the joker years. If we start having a season next year like we did last. Then there'll be zero fans in those seats, and MB will have no choice but to fire him.
Hahaha first time seeing this. He confirmed it alright and then proceeded to say why HE didn't succeed and why HE couldn't be successful. That's another reason we weren't successful(not the only reason) because he was all about himself and not about TEAM. As aggravated as I am and was with Stoops a guy he handed so many opportunities to, over and over, terrible game after terrible game, just throws him under the bus. Good riddance.
Agree with this. Football is a competitive game. Competition means stress, and every player and coach handles it differently according to their own strengths and weaknesses. Towles stuck around at Kentucky through a redshirt season when everyone was pronouncing his college career dead. During the offseason, Towles went to the extra effort to work with quarterback consultant George Whitfield Jr. Most college players don't have to do this, since they receive positional coaching in their program. But Mark Stoops did not have a true quarterback coach on his staff. Towles worked through all of this, won the starting quarterback job, and became the #6 career passing leader in Kentucky football history. After all of that, nutty fans criticized him on the internet and on radio talk shows, then Stoops benched him in favor of a less experienced quarterback who played a lot worse than Towles. So you are damn right that a rift formed in the locker room, and no 1 should really question why Towles left. I just hope things get better. The next offensive coordinator hire is make or break for Stoops, and will have a huge impact on Barker's future.
you two losers can go with Towles and root for some other team with that attitude. Stoops will either get it done or he won't but openly rooting for the guy to leave 3 years into this thing just tells me you're either trolls or just terrible fans.
Stoops is making needed changes to get us over the hump and I believe the fans will and should still support the staff. The bandwagoners like yourself can stop with your 3 years of continuous support you've given the team. Thanks but your services are no longer needed.
UK will have to spend Cal type money with top 5 type assistant SEC money A coach whose name is instant recruiting plus Otherwise we can hire and fire every year We are known for basketball in highly ranked recruits eyes
BS
Patrick played bad, we can blame this on Joker recruiting him or not having QB coach or not having same OC, fact of matter is he was not very good.
I mean Rich Brooks was on Finebaum and came out and said it. He said if you don't have good QB play and that from the games he had watched and he had watched almost all of them, the QB play was not good. He said you had to have good QB play in college or NFL.
They criticized him because he was not getting any better, he was making same mistakes from last year, from first game to last.
Stoops was asking questions to OC as to why he was not better, can we get Barker up to speed to try another option. Film don't lie. Film was saying PT was not getting in the right plays, missing WR's left an right, pocket presence was awful. He did not play very well. Stoops was asking questions about why same mistakes were taking place and kept trotting him out there. Players were starting to question why the mistakes were not being corrected and why he kept playing when mistakes were made.
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I don't think it was right of Towles to make the comments that he did. I try to over look that he did that because of his age. Stoops and his staff had many opportunities to throw Pat under the bus and I have never once heard or seen them do that. How many staffs would have been that patient with Pat after he threw all of those interceptions and made all of those costly mistakes? Pat should be thankful for the opportunity that stoops gave him.
Stoops isn't the only problem What coach could recruit top SEC type talent to KY He is the best we have had in years
People openly rooted for joker to leave after year 3. Most people actually. If people had the mentality you want them to have by rooting for other teams under your logic then we would've had zero fans left after joker. Just because you believe the fans should still support the staff, DOES NOT mean we should believe he's going to succeed because I have seen absolutely nothing on the field to indicate the fans should still support the staff. Maybe if he didn't promise in his words 'SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT from last years team and for all the fans to come out for a special season' to saying after the season when questioned about this years team. 'Just because we have a newly renovated stadium doesn't mean I can just wave a magic wand and field a good football team'. Then why did you promise significant improvement from the year before? Be man and own up to your mistakes. The man is made of promises and excuses. A lot like a politician except he's a coach. I guess I'm a terrible fan because I'm not as naive as you by ignoring between the lines of what he promises, and what actually happens after those statements are made, and the excuses he comes up with after things don't pan out the way he claims. Color me as a 'gotta believe it to see it fan' I did support stoops and did think he would get it done, but eventually you can just tell when a coach is way in over his head, been watching the game too long for me to be blind to these kind of matters. And judging by his excuses, the zero experience on the staff he put together, the horrible coaching, the unprepared teams, no ST coach and the horrible game management he displayed time after time this year. Yes I believe he's in way over his head. Ive seen enough to come up with that conclusion and that doesn't make me a terrible fan nor does it make me not a knowledgeable fan.
Just because someone doesn't agree with you because of their mountain sized reasons for losing all faith in stoops, and your reasoning of just hopeful and wishful thinking that he'll get it done based on nothing he's done on the field doesn't make you a better fan than me, and doesn't make me a troll. I'm being more realistic, you're moreso are just really wishing and hoping he'll get it done. That's not the difference in good and bad fans. I'm being moreso realistic, you're just really hoping/wishing he gets it done for the good of the program. And guess what I am too! But I'm not going to be delusional about it and pretend like what happened during the games this year didn't happen. I'm not giving him a mulligan for this year like most of y'all, I gave him that the first 2 years. I do think some good is going to come from the stoops era, when we let him go and if we make the right hire next time we'll at least have the players in place for a good coach to produce a good team. I just can't see stoops doing it himself. Very inept in game head coach and it's obvious that he hasn't been learning from too many mistakes thus far. Have a merry Christmas hope you put that letter stoops sent you on the mantle in hopes for the better days ahead! I want us to win every game. I pay for season tickets and cheer for the cats to win every game, does it mean I have to pretend I think stoops is getting done and is a good head coach? Really? So far he straight up sucks man there's no sugercoating that. Til I see it, I'm done believing it.
Maybe Towles divided the locker room as much as he has this board with his unnecessary comments.
When you throw as many interceptions as you do TD's negative comments are pretty darn normal no matter where you play or what your name is.
I feel like your say should be proportional to the portion of the staff's salary that you pay. I think you migh owe some more.
How would any athletes and coaches get paid without fans in the seats? Like seriously man maybe it doesn't come directly from ticket sales but without fans in the seats then there's no team at all. I understand the TV money and deals like that. But if there were zero fans in the seats each game then there would be no coaches, no players, no nothing. They would not have their jobs without fans in the seats so that's very correct in a sense. No fans in the seats equals no jobs for the coaches. True story.
That's definitely been one of UK's issues for quite some time now. We just haven't had a great QB in a long time. Hartline, Newton, Smith, Whitlow and now Towles. Since Woodson there's been a QB battle every year because we've had nothing but bad QB's to choose from with guys like Newton and Towles being over-rated. We would go with one QB and he would under-perform. Then we would switch and find out our second option wasn't any good either. This going back and forth between bad QB's has stifled UK's offense for years now. If Barker isn't the answer either then Stoops will find himself canned as well because Barker is his recruit. If you can't put up points you have no chance to win. It won't matter who the OC is if we continue to have bad QB play. Barker needs to work his *** off in the off-season. It's going to be his show. There won't be anybody to take it from him. He'll be lucky to even have a backup at this point.
If that is the case then it is Stoops' job to squash it. He can't blame Joker for anything at this point. It's his team and if players are causing problems it's his job to discipline them or remove them from the team. So far Stoops has done a poor job of managing the team. He'll be going on his third OC in year four while not even making a change in DC when his current DC doesn't know how to stop a running QB. All these OC changes won't make a difference if we continue to recruit bad QB's. He chooses not to have a special teams coach when we look like the team from the Waterboy movie. So far i've seen nothing from Stoops that gives me hope for the future and a lot of people feel the same way. I guess we'll see if getting rid of these team cancers will actual improve the play of the team. But that still wouldn't fix the poor decisions i've seen from the staff.
Yeah, stoops shouldn't have let that stuff go on behind the scenes. I just hope that the staff changes make a positive impact on the program. It's crucial for him to get these staff hirings right or he won't make it at UK.
How y'all gonna be asshurt on christmas man? My babies have a ton of gifts under the tree, I just got me some of the ol lady and I'm sitting here drinking a nice cold glass of crown and coke. MERRY CHRISTMAS FELLAS, ENJOY IT!!!
Speakng of spending money, would it be too much to ask to fork a little over for a punctuation mark every now and then?
That's your opinion, and you have a right to believe whatever you want. But be careful about calling BS when you don't actually know. Everything I said is true. BTW, with a full season of college eligibility still left, Towles is the #6 ranked passer in Kentucky football history. That's a fact. And he did this playing behind the worst offensive line in the SEC. Facts mean more than individual opinions such as "Towles played bad". After the UL game, you can't honestly believe Barker is an improvement.
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Agree with your top line. The rest may or may not be right, but I can't refute it either.