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Let's make a list of transfers in and out of Duke since K's been there and the schools they came from or went to:

IN - From

Roshown McLeod - St John's
Dahntay Jones - Rutgers
Seth Curry - Liberty
Rodney Hood - Mississippi State
Sean Obi -Rice

OUT - TO

Bill Jackman - Nebraska
Billy McCaffery - Vanderbilt
Crawford Palmer - Dartmouth
Joey Beard - Boston U
Andre Sweet - Seton Hall
Mike Chappel - Michigan St
Chris Burgess - Utah
Michael Thompson - Northwestern
Jamal Boykin - California
Eric Boateng - Arizona State
Taylor King - Villanova
Mike Gbinjie - Syracuse
Elliot Williams- Memphis
Olek Czyz - Nevada
Alex Murphy - Florida, Northeastern
Rasheed Suliamon - Maryland
Semi Ojeleyan - SMU
Derryk Thornton - USC
Chase Jeter - UNLV? Nevada?

Am I missing anyone?
 
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Derek Thornton - USC
Mike G - Syracuse
Elliot Williams- Memphis
Olek C - Nevada

All transferred from Duke.
 
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Both Tyler Adams and Felix committed but never suited up.

Tyler Adams Georgetown ( heart issues)
Carrick Felix - ASU, got drafted by Cleveland then ended up in the d-league
 
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sheyduke said:
Both Tyler Adams and Felix committed but never suited up.

Tyler Adams Georgetown ( heart issues)
Carrick Felix - ASU, got drafted by Cleveland then ended up in the d-league
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Completely forget about Adams. Didn't he have health issues that ended his career?
 
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[QUOTE="dbav, post: 11177353, That's for sure. Is there any out there now that could possibly land in Durham if we miss on some recruits, especially a PG.
 
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I always here the talk about K holding a player back or a player could be/do x,y, and z if he was at another school.

My thing is none of the guys that have transferred have gone on to be anything more than they could've been at Duke. The jury is still out in Thornton. Mike G did well at Cuse, but didn't turn into some can't miss talent that Duke squandered away. None of the other guys really ever did much at all despite being freed from K's dungeon.
 
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Good point DukeitOut. It's not like coach K has instant production on the bench and refuses to play them. None of those guys really played terrific elsewhere...Even Mike G got more run at Duke than a lot of those other guys...So K wasn't way off on him.
 
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No one would have transferred if Coach K would have gave them all at least 30 minutes pt during their careers at Duke. Problem is games only are 40 minutes not 400 and the math just doesn't add up. OFC
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Exactly right and 95% of the kids these days think they should be playing this much...and most parents think their kid should play 40 minutes every game
 
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Duke It Out said:
I always here the talk about K holding a player back or a player could be/do x,y, and z if he was at another school.

My thing is none of the guys that have transferred have gone on to be anything more than they could've been at Duke. The jury is still out in Thornton. Mike G did well at Cuse, but didn't turn into some can't miss talent that Duke squandered away. None of the other guys really ever did much at all despite being freed from K's dungeon.
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No, but they played at their new destination all of them. They might have not been super stars or all Americans but they played. Mike G, Olek, Elliot Williams, Semi, Taylor King. Some started for their new school some came off the bench. But they played.
That's the point the chance to play. Not major minutes not as starters although some started when they went to a new program but it's the choice of waiting two or three years down the road watching freshman come in and start before you and barely see any time off the bench or move on and get a fresh start.
In our eyes meaning fans they didn't go on to do much special but in the players eyes they got to play the game they love and didn't just sit in a chair and cheer.
Sometimes it's not just about being at an all star program it's also about getting to play the sport you were recruited for. In that case for some it does mean going another route.
 
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No, but they played at their new destination all of them. They might have not been super stars or all Americans but they played. Mike G, Olek, Elliot Williams, Semi, Taylor King. Some started for their new school some came off the bench. But they played.
That's the point the chance to play. Not major minutes not as starters although some started when they went to a new program but it's the choice of waiting two or three years down the road watching freshman come in and start before you and barely see any time off the bench or move on and get a fresh start.
In our eyes meaning fans they didn't go on to do much special but in the players eyes they got to play the game they love and didn't just sit in a chair and cheer.
Sometimes it's not just about being at an all star program it's also about getting to play the sport you were recruited for. In that case for some it does mean going another route.
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Did they have the same level of competition for playing time where they went? Semi at SMU? Uhhh no. Mike G didn't play much at Cuse his first year and change and didn't do much at all until his final year which was his 5th. Taylor King, well he had problems. Elliot left bc of his mother who was ill. Olek was a 3 star that we picked up when we were at the bottom of our recruiting days. What did he do?

Sometimes Duke just isn't the place for you. And that's fine, go somewhere that is right for you.
 
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Did they have the same level of competition for playing time where they went? Semi at SMU? Uhhh no. Mike G didn't play much at Cuse his first year and change and didn't do much at all until his final year which was his 5th. Taylor King, well he had problems. Elliot left bc of his mother who was ill. Olek was a 3 star that we picked up when we were at the bottom of our recruiting days. What did he do?

Sometimes Duke just isn't the place for you. And that's fine, go somewhere that is right for you.
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Did I say they all started? No I said some started and some came off the bench.

My point is this these kids come expecting to play . I didn't say start. Even if for just a few minutes. No one goes to college to ride a bench they want to atleast play and when they left they did.
Why would they transfer to s program where they would have the same issue at? Making the same choice that they initially did which caused them to transfer I mean come on some of you need to take off the blinders and see that these kids were recruited. By the same people that coach Duke and at some point the same reasons they were recruited for are the same reasons the players don't see them being utilized and the kids move on.
But MG started didn't ride a bench , Olek started both years for Nevada, Elliot also thought he wasn't a good fit for Duke it wasn't just about his mother that was just the end factor.
By some of the post, you guys think kids should be happy they get a free ride to college but in actuality for a lot of these kids that do stay four years it's their only chance to show if they have something special to be considered for the next level or simply their final days of playing as sport they love before facing the real world.
 
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sheyduke said:
Did I say they all started? No I said some started and some came off the bench.

My point is this these kids come expecting to play . I didn't say start. Even if for just a few minutes. No one goes to college to ride a bench they want to atleast play and when they left they did.
Why would they transfer to s program where they would have the same issue at? Making the same choice that they initially did which caused them to transfer I mean come on some of you need to take off the blinders and see that these kids were recruited. By the same people that coach Duke and at some point the same reasons they were recruited for are the same reasons the players don't see them being utilized and the kids move on.
But MG started didn't ride a bench , Olek started both years for Nevada, Elliot also thought he wasn't a good fit for Duke it wasn't just about his mother that was just the end factor.
By some of the post, you guys think kids should be happy they get a free ride to college but in actuality for a lot of these kids that do stay four years it's their only chance to show if they have something special to be considered for the next level or simply their final days of playing as sport they love before facing the real world.
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i agree with Timo that Duke isn't for everyone, the problem with that though is Duke deals with what seems like a lot of that. Shey is right that the type of kids Duke is bringing in don't expect to sit for years. They think they will continue sitting with who K recruits, and that's why they leave. Can't blame them.
 
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sheyduke said:
Did I say they all started? No I said some started and some came off the bench.

My point is this these kids come expecting to play . I didn't say start. Even if for just a few minutes. No one goes to college to ride a bench they want to atleast play and when they left they did.
Why would they transfer to s program where they would have the same issue at? Making the same choice that they initially did which caused them to transfer I mean come on some of you need to take off the blinders and see that these kids were recruited. By the same people that coach Duke and at some point the same reasons they were recruited for are the same reasons the players don't see them being utilized and the kids move on.
But MG started didn't ride a bench , Olek started both years for Nevada, Elliot also thought he wasn't a good fit for Duke it wasn't just about his mother that was just the end factor.
By some of the post, you guys think kids should be happy they get a free ride to college but in actuality for a lot of these kids that do stay four years it's their only chance to show if they have something special to be considered for the next level or simply their final days of playing as sport they love before facing the real world.
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I never once said anything about them starting or not. Reread my post.

You're kind of all over the map here when really it's simple. You get recruited by Duke bc Duke thinks you're good enough. You face competition when you come here. Sometimes it works out sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it's on the kid sometimes it's on the staff and sometimes it's on outside factors- DT's uncle, Elliot's mom, Taylors substance abuse. Is what it is, has nothing to do with having blinders on.

I find it quite ironic a lot of folks use semi as their reasoning to take shots at the staff though. It took him a transfer to another staff and a year and a half off to realize he needed to play more like the staff told him in the first place. Not to mention the fact that his position is one in which Duke has an obvious strength in producing- athletic skilled wings.
 
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The point I was making was about the label K has been given at times of holding a player back. That simply isn't true. He plays the best players.

I know their goal is to play, and I get that. Those guys just never turned into anything that proved they should've seen more time at Duke. The perception at times was some of those guys could've made an impact on the floor. And quite honestly, that just isn't the reality. Mike G was the only exception but it still took him time to develop, which was something he didn't want to do at Duke apparently. I don't have a gripe with the kids. They are kids. I do have a gripe with some of the fans questioning K, of all people, about the transfer/playing time situation.
 
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Let's make a list of transfers in and out of Duke since K's been there and the schools they came from or went to:

IN - From

Roshown McLeod - St John's
Dahntay Jones - Rutgers
Seth Curry - Liberty
Rodney Hood - Mississippi State
Sean Obi -Rice

OUT - TO

Bill Jackman - Nebraska
Billy McCaffery - Vanderbilt
Crawford Palmer - Dartmouth
Joey Beard - Boston U
Andre Sweet - Seton Hall
Mike Chappel - Michigan St
Chris Burgess - Utah
Michael Thompson - Northwestern
Jamal Boykin - California
Eric Boateng - Arizona State
Taylor King - Villanova
Mike Gbinjie - Syracuse
Elliot Williams- Memphis
Olek Czyz - Nevada
Alex Murphy - Florida, Northeastern
Rasheed Suliamon - Maryland
Semi Ojeleyan - SMU
Derryk Thornton - USC
Chase Jeter - UNLV? Nevada?

Am I missing anyone?
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I find that the "IN" or recruited verses the "OUT" transferred to be alarmingly eye opening and had no idea the number of players who have left for whatever reason. Much different when you see the numbers in print. Timo is correct in saying that Duke is not for everyone and they just don't realize the competition they will face once getting to Duke. Maybe this really just proves that kids are not as good as they are led to believe and should have chosen a different path or not developing once they get to Durham. We'll never know what kids are told while being recruited by any coach. I will say that the "Ins" have proven to be much more talented than the "outs".
 
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timo0402 said:
I never once said anything about them starting or not. Reread my post.

You're kind of all over the map here when really it's simple. You get recruited by Duke bc Duke thinks you're good enough. You face competition when you come here. Sometimes it works out sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it's on the kid sometimes it's on the staff and sometimes it's on outside factors- DT's uncle, Elliot's mom, Taylors substance abuse. Is what it is, has nothing to do with having blinders on.

I find it quite ironic a lot of folks use semi as their reasoning to take shots at the staff though. It took him a transfer to another staff and a year and a half off to realize he needed to play more like the staff told him in the first place. Not to mention the fact that his position is one in which Duke has an obvious strength in producing- athletic skilled wings.
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I never use Semi as my point at all. I'm not all over the map you threw out examples I replied back.
I use every transfer when a poster has something negative about a kid can't play and yes I understand Duke produces his position my point is the staff recruits these kids, pitches are made to convince them how they will be utilized in their teams system. Kids visit , meet the staff, the players, tour the facility. The kid can see the team every season on national tv, so they know the level of competition Duke plays against year in and year out. Kid decides to come to Duke knowing all this. At some point and time there becomes a point where they ( meaning the ones who transfer) don't see their self being used the way they initially thought. So they leave. You can't say that kid ain't no good or isn't a "Duke" kid. They simply want to play.

If their is such a thing as a Duke kid tell me why Duke didn't recruit Stephen Curry, Seth Curry, Convince Hood to come his freshman year. Because Seth and Hood came to Duke and Stephen Curry was never thought of although the kid shot lights out from three.

And I'm not all over the map my point was simple. They played when they left and some started and some came off the bench but they didn't ride a pine or seat.
 
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I never use Semi as my point at all. I'm not all over the map you threw out examples I replied back.
I use every transfer when a poster has something negative about a kid can't play and yes I understand Duke produces his position my point is the staff recruits these kids, pitches are made to convince them how they will be utilized in their teams system. Kids visit , meet the staff, the players, tour the facility. The kid can see the team every season on national tv, so they know the level of competition Duke plays against year in and year out. Kid decides to come to Duke knowing all this. At some point and time there becomes a point where they ( meaning the ones who transfer) don't see their self being used the way they initially thought. So they leave. You can't say that kid ain't no good or isn't a "Duke" kid. They simply want to play.

If their is such a thing as a Duke kid tell me why Duke didn't recruit Stephen Curry, Seth Curry, Convince Hood to come his freshman year. Because Seth and Hood came to Duke and Stephen Curry was never thought of although the kid shot lights out from three.
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I have no clue what your point is about the currys? Literally no one recruited them. How is that dukes fault? And Rodney hood is from miss and he left I believe bc his coach did or something happened which is why he left miss state.

So you're saying that Duke is selling them their vision for how they see them fitting in, it doesn't work and that's all on the staff? It has nothing to do with the fact that sometimes it just doesn't work out? And by your logic as stated above, should Duke just recruit to have six to seven guys each year that way we don't hurt anyone's feelings and kids don't transfer?
 
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I loved watching McLeod play. I really liked the others as well, but McLeod was one of my favorites.
 
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I have no clue what your point is about the currys? Literally no one recruited them. How is that dukes fault? And Rodney hood is from miss and he left I believe bc his coach did or something happened which is why he left miss state.

So you're saying that Duke is selling them their vision for how they see them fitting in, it doesn't work and that's all on the staff? It has nothing to do with the fact that sometimes it just doesn't work out? And by your logic as stated above, should Duke just recruit to have six to seven guys each year that way we don't hurt anyone's feelings and kids don't transfer?
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We can just disagree my point is if you read my post correctly was that people use terms like" Duke isn't for everybody" or " they never seemed like a Duke kid" so I used the examples of the Curry because one fit in at Duke very well his time here but was actually not recruited by Duke and Steph was never recruited by Duke, yet would have fit K's system very well. The point on Hood was he wasn't recruited out of high school by Duke yet when he came he fit K's system very well.
Once again how am I putting it on the staff. I'm showing both possible explications why you seems to think the staff has no fault. My point is simply these kids want to play and you seem to think I'm lobbying for them to start or play extreme minutes. I'm simply saying they play where they transfer to and some start or come off the bench " THEY PLAY NOT JUST RIDE A BENCH!" and K and the staff does decide who plays in games right? K and staff did recruit these players right? So at some point and time K and Staff considered these kids to fit into their system and Duke.
 
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We can just disagree my point is if you read my post correctly was that people use terms like" Duke isn't for everybody" or " they never seemed like a Duke kid" so I used the examples of the Curry because one fit in at Duke very well his time here but was actually not recruited by Duke and Steph was never recruited by Duke, yet would have fit K's system very well. The point on Hood was he wasn't recruited out of high school by Duke yet when he came he fit K's system very well.
Once again how am I putting it on the staff. I'm showing both possible explications why you seems to think the staff has no fault. My point is simply these kids want to play and you seem to think I'm lobbying for them to start or play extreme minutes. I'm simply saying they play where they transfer to and some start or come off the bench " THEY PLAY NOT JUST RIDE A BENCH!" and K and the staff does decide who plays in games right? K and staff did recruit these players right? So at some point and time K and Staff considered these kids to fit into their system and Duke.
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Shey you're not gonna get any support debating a mod. I know. I agree with what you're saying, you and I and a lot of people I know aren't lobbying for them to play half the game but no one wants to admit our bigs develop slower. The why on the slowness is where the debates start
 
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Greg Wendt transferred out in early 80s to Detroit. He was in the same class as Bill Jackman.Also early 90s Christian Ast departed for American U.

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I have no clue what your point is about the currys? Literally no one recruited them. How is that dukes fault? And Rodney hood is from miss and he left I believe bc his coach did or something happened which is why he left miss state.

So you're saying that Duke is selling them their vision for how they see them fitting in, it doesn't work and that's all on the staff? It has nothing to do with the fact that sometimes it just doesn't work out? And by your logic as stated above, should Duke just recruit to have six to seven guys each year that way we don't hurt anyone's feelings and kids don't transfer?
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Is it fair to say Duke over recruits at times? I'm just saying, if I have Chase, Javin, and Vrank do I really need Marques?

I remember when Duke had Sean Dockery and then JJ walked in. I'm happy JJ came, but Sean was recruited to be a scorer.
 
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Is it fair to say Duke over recruits at times? I'm just saying, if I have Chase, Javin, and Vrank do I really need Marques?

I remember when Duke had Sean Dockery and then JJ walked in. I'm happy JJ came, but Sean was recruited to be a scorer.
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And Sean wasn't a scorer...and who in their right mind wouldn't want JJ over Sean
 
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Mac9192 said:
Shey you're not gonna get any support debating a mod. I know. I agree with what you're saying, you and I and a lot of people I know aren't lobbying for them to play half the game but no one wants to admit our bigs develop slower. The why on the slowness is where the debates start
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Shey I must agree w/Mac its a "Lone Ranger" type feeling to debate our mods, but I agree w/your overall point....These kids who arent part of a short 7 man bench cant be blamed for leaving. I noticed Vrank's PT dropped like a lead balloon after K returned from back surgery. However I was glad to see him get at least a little burn at end of season and comtribute...OFC
 
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