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In 2019 , 13 unarmed black men were killed by police, down from 38 in 2015. WaPo, well know white supremacy paper.

Again, you’re clueless but you go on and on like you have a clue. People like you are absolutely the problem.
Lol, that literally means nothing. Philando Castille was listed as armed and his gun was locked in a glove box.

I think it's you who is clueless. Also, how many unarmed white men where killed during those years?
 

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Oh, just a car lot set on fire. Completely normal.

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Some people will argue anything. To say the majority of these protests have been peaceful is absurd. Riots, looting, destroying other small businesses who did nothing. Tell the dude in Portland who got karate kicked while sitting on the ground and was knocked out cold how peaceful these protests have been. Let the mob come out to my Neighborhood with their threats and racist chants. Won’t end well for them. Wish more people Would handle them like the McCloskey’s.
 
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No knock on a single woman’s apartment seems excessive. Cops need to be reeled in a little. They work for the taxpayers not against them. Looters need to do time. Screw those guys.
I definitely agree no knock needs to go away except in the case of an Al Capone like raid. I just want us to be honest and not make every victim of a police shooting into a hero. It doesn't mean they should of been shot but it also doesn't mean they are saints. Sometimes people put cops into really bad situations where they don't have a good option. Some cops should be charged when they go above the law or level of threat.

George Floyd doesn't deserve the outrage over his death when freaking kids are killed by gang bangers every day.
 

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Lol, that literally means nothing. Philando Castille was listed as armed and his gun was locked in a glove box.

I think it's you who is clueless. Also, how many unarmed white men where killed during those years?

Now statistics literally mean nothing. Got it.

You’re a prime example of what it means to be propagandized: with irrefutable facts placed in front of you, you still refuse them. The ignorance of people like you is why Wisconsin is on fire.
 
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Now statistics literally mean nothing. Got it.

You’re a prime example of what it means to be propagandized: with irrefutable facts placed in front of you, you still refuse them. The ignorance of people like you is why Wisconsin is on fire.
Lol, what am I refusing. I understand your metrics. I am just stating the fact that people who just have a weapon near are often considered armed. As was the case with Philando. His gun was stored away in the glove comartment and he was laying back in his seat. Would you honestly consider him armed?

Statistics mean a lot. That is why I am asming for yours. How many unarmed white men were killed in 2019 compared to blacks?

How am I responsible for the riots in Kenosha?
 

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Lol, what am I refusing. I understand your metrics. I am just stating the fact that people who just have a weapon near are often considered armed. As was the case with Philando. His gun was stored away in the glove comartment and he was laying back in his seat. Would you honestly consider him armed?

Statistics mean a lot. That is why I am asming for yours. How many unarmed white men were killed in 2019 compared to blacks?

How am I responsible for the riots in Kenosha?

In 2019, 19 unarmed whites were killed by police according to the same source compared to around 13 blacks. Which is astounding considering that, adjusted for population, there are far more interactions between blacks and police compared to any other race.

A cop (of any race) is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black man than an unarmed black man is to be killed by a police officer. Imagine the riots if this number was reversed.

You’ve been fed lies. Period.
 

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If these thugs start attacking people, looting, and starting fires or damaging property, drop the damn hammer on them. And I don’t mean a freaking claw hammer.
 

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Lol, that literally means nothing. Philando Castille was listed as armed and his gun was locked in a glove box.

I think it's you who is clueless. Also, how many unarmed white men where killed during those years?
In 2019 twice the number of unarmed white men were killed by police as unarmed black men. FBI statistics. You know what almost every incident had in common (both white and black)? They attacked a police officer. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. It’s extremely easy not to have any interaction with Police. Don’t do stupid illegal crap.
 
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In 2019, 19 unarmed whites were killed by police according to the same source compared to around 13 blacks. Which is astounding considering that, adjusted for population, there are far more interactions between blacks and police compared to any other race.

A cop (of any race) is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black man than an unarmed black man is to be killed by a police officer. Imagine the riots if this number was reversed.

You’ve been fed lies. Period.
FACT!
 

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There is no evidence they were having an affair. That is just your conjecture based off him saying he wanted to sleep on her bed. For all we know he could just really like to sleep on her mattress. It's probably better than a jail or drug house mattress. She also could have still been single at the time and just wanting some action. That wouldn't be an affair. That is not criminal or really relevant to the case. It's just a strawman argument to distract from the facts.

It doesn't matter to me how you feel about it, it's the facts.

Hearsay: information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.

Her ex provided information about her that police cannot substantiate and other witness testimony actually contradicts. As does the fact the person they say handled the money was actually arrested in possession of the money. By definition of hearsay, it certainly appears to be hearsay.
You do not have a clue what the definition of hearsay happens to be. It has nothing to do with being able to corroborate it. Corroboration is very important in regards to evidence, but it generally has nothing to do with hearsay.
 

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No knock on a single woman’s apartment seems excessive. Cops need to be reeled in a little. They work for the taxpayers not against them. Looters need to do time. Screw those guys.
Newsflash! They did knock and announce. It’s on video.
 

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In 2019, 19 unarmed whites were killed by police according to the same source compared to around 13 blacks. Which is astounding considering that, adjusted for population, there are far more interactions between blacks and police compared to any other race.

A cop (of any race) is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black man than an unarmed black man is to be killed by a police officer. Imagine the riots if this number was reversed.

You’ve been fed lies. Period.
Lol, that is not accurate at all.

Mapping Police Violence, a crowdsourced database that includes deaths by vehicle, tasering or beating in addition to shootings, estimates 25 police killings of unarmed Black men in 2019.

"In 2019, there were 48 police officers who died in the line of duty during “felonious incidents.” Each is documented; some involved things such as car accidents during confrontations with suspects. In other words, this also doesn’t reflect the assertions about how many police are “shot and killed,” but, for the sake of argument, let’s use that number.

Even if all 48 of those deaths were attributable to black suspects, it’s well below the 250 deaths of blacks at the hands of police. The FBI data, though, indicate that 15 of the 49 identified suspects involved in those deaths were black — a figure comparable to the number of black people killed by police who were known to have been unarmed.

care to share your data?
 

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Body cam. I’m a retired federal agent. While I have not viewed the body cam video, I have been told by those who would know that there was a knock and announce and that Taylor and her boyfriend or whoever he was knew they were the Police.
 

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You do not have a clue what the definition of hearsay happens to be. It has nothing to do with being able to corroborate it. Corroboration is very important in regards to evidence, but it generally has nothing to do with hearsay.
Well the definition of hearsay is: information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor. What do you think substantiating means?
 

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Lol, that is not accurate at all.

Mapping Police Violence, a crowdsourced database that includes deaths by vehicle, tasering or beating in addition to shootings, estimates 25 police killings of unarmed Black men in 2019.

"In 2019, there were 48 police officers who died in the line of duty during “felonious incidents.” Each is documented; some involved things such as car accidents during confrontations with suspects. In other words, this also doesn’t reflect the assertions about how many police are “shot and killed,” but, for the sake of argument, let’s use that number.

Even if all 48 of those deaths were attributable to black suspects, it’s well below the 250 deaths of blacks at the hands of police. The FBI data, though, indicate that 15 of the 49 identified suspects involved in those deaths were black — a figure comparable to the number of black people killed by police who were known to have been unarmed.

care to share your data?
Now do police killed by black men......................................... I'll wait.
 

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There’s no dispute that the LMPD continuously knocked. There is dispute that they announced and that body cams exist.

They didn’t have to knock or announce. Knock is confirmed though.
 

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Well the definition of hearsay is: information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor. What do you think substantiating means?
There are numerous instances of hearsay and numerous exceptions to the hearsay rule. Here’s a simple example of the most common type of hearsay. If a target/defendant tells me he killed Joe Blow with a gun on a certain day, I can testify to that statement because I heard it first hand. I was there to hear the person say it. If I tell Bob what the target/defendant told me, Bob can not testify to that statement because it’s hearsay. This is a simplified example but it shows the most common form of hearsay. Since I directly heard the statement from the target/defendant it is NOT hearsay. Would it be even better evidence if another person was there and heard the statement so they could corroborate it? Absolutely, but my testimony is NOT hearsay.
 
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There’s no dispute that the LMPD continuously knocked. There is dispute that they announced and that body cams exist.

They didn’t have to knock or announce. Knock is confirmed though.
No, they didn’t have to if it was a no knock warrant. But, from what I’ve been told, they did knock AND announce and it’s on body cam video. Could I have been told wrong? Of course but I doubt it.
 

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There are numerous instances of hearsay and numerous exceptions to the hearsay rule. Here’s a simple example of the most common type of hearsay. If a target/defendant tells me he killed Joe Blow with a gun on a certain day, I can testify to that statement because I heard it first hand. I was there to hear the person say it. If I tell Bob what the target/defendant told me, Bob can not testify to that statement because it’s hearsay. This is a simplified example but it shows the most common form of hearsay. Since I directly heard the statement from the target/defendant it is NOT hearsay. Would it be even better evidence if another person was there and heard the statement so they could to corroborate it? Absolutely, but my testimony is NOT hearsay.
In this case, his testimony will be considered hearsay unless it can be substantiated/corroborated. Hell, even if it was admissible, it's easily negated by the fact the other suspects testify it wasn't the case. Not to mention the person they all said had the money was indees arrested in possession of the money.
 

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No, they didn’t have to if it was a no knock warrant. But, from what I’ve been told, they did knock AND announce and it’s on body cam video. Could I have been told wrong? Of course but I doubt it.
What body cam footage? The police are saying there is none until uniformed cops arrived after the incident. The detectives were in plain clothes and their dept is saying they didn't always wear cameras in these instances.
 

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In this case, his testimony will be considered hearsay unless it can be substantiated/corroborated. Hell, even if it was admissible, it's easily negated by the fact the other suspects testify it wasn't the case. Not to mention the person they all said had the money was indees arrested in possession of the money.
What I’m telling you is you’re wrong about hearsay. Whether testimony is to be believed without corroboration is up to a jury, but it’s not hearsay if a person is testifying to something they have firsthand knowledge of.
 

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No, they didn’t have to if it was a no knock warrant. But, from what I’ve been told, they did knock AND announce and it’s on body cam video. Could I have been told wrong? Of course but I doubt it.
They definitely knocked - all parties confirm. LMPD says they announced, the boyfriend says they didn’t. I’ve never heard of body cams being on for this case - which has been a major issue that they weren’t.
 

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They definitely knocked - all parties confirm. LMPD says they announced, the boyfriend says they didn’t. I’ve never heard of body cams being on for this case - which has been a major issue that they weren’t.
One thing is certain. If video exists, it will be brought out.
 

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What I’m telling you is you’re wrong about hearsay. Whether testimony is to be believed without corroboration is up to a jury, but it’s not hearsay if a person is testifying to something they have firsthand knowledge of.
And I am telling you that you're incorrect. The very definition of hearsay disagrees with your assessment. I think I will trust it instead of a random message board poster.
 

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And I am telling you that you're incorrect. The very definition of hearsay disagrees with your assessment. I think I will trust it instead of a random message board poster.
OK. LOL. I was only a federal agent for 30 years. I had MANY criminal cases prosecuted in federal court. I guess all of the federal judges and AUSAs I dealt with had it wrong. Obviously we should have consulted with you.
 

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OK. LOL. I was only a federal agent for 30 years. I had MANY criminal cases prosecuted in federal court. I guess all of the federal judges and AUSAs I dealt with had it wrong. Obviously we should have consulted with you.
Well, since were just making up **** on the internet; I clerked for the chief justice of scotus, and graduated with honors from Harvard Law.