Tre has to hit shots...

[Buzzooka Joe]

Tre going 1-4 from 3 in a game is not the end of the world to me.

This season, there have been 7 games where Tre shot 3 or more threes in a game.. he’s 18% in those games and has never hit more than 1 of his attempts in those games..

In the 18 games he played where he shot only 2 or less threes.. he is 31%..

So basically, he never needs to shoot more than 2 threes a game.. no matter what.

 

[SwatX1]

I think it helps us if Tre is at least enough of a threat that his defender has to stay on him and not go double team, but we have played one of the toughest schedules in the country without Tre being a big scorer, and have looked damn impressive doing it when at full strength. The basket doesn't care who made the ball go through. If Tre plays lock down defense and gets the ball to the right person at the right time, we can beat anybody with Tre never taking s single shot

 

[SwatX1]

He scored 6 against ky, didn't even play the first game against UVA, and in the incredible comeback against U of L, he scored 6. Would it be great if the big 3 kept their average and he was adding 15? Sure....but we don't have to rely on his scoring to win

 

[PatrickYates]

Because Coach K has said that Baker has been shooting well in practice, to the point that he decided to burn his redshirt. That's a significant decision. So Coach K has made it quite clear that Baker has shown enough to contribute. And he was recruited to Duke in the first place because perimeter shooting is a strength of his.

So I completely disagree with you. Sure, he's shown nothing in 5 minutes of game play. But that's not a lot of time for any bench player to show anything.

But that was like AOC in earlier games. We need him to do just that: Come in to the game for brief spurts and make the wide open jumpers that are available to anyone not named Cam or RJ. There isn't time for a player to get comfy.
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When a player comes off the bench this year, that player will be, for the better part, completely wide open every time they get the ball on the perimeter. Hit those shots. He's missed badly both times, and passed up 2 other good looks. While playing meh defense. He has rebounded well.
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Baker's main problem is that he can only play one role, and we have Cam, RJ, and Zion who play that role, while AOC is a slightly more perimeter oriented version. He can't play with Cam and RJ because Joey is the de facto PF in that situation, and he can't guard that position. RJ and Cam can't guard PFs.
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Ergo, he has to be a heater off the bench. So does AOC. So does Jack, which is why we were so successful earlier when he did just that. To give AOC, Jack, or Baker more PT, you have to subtract one of Zion, RJ, or Cam.
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Unfortunately, our best backups need starter minutes to get comfortable and start contributing. When those guys backup the best players on the team, that is a problem.

 

[lyonhawk]

RJ should run point forward in our half court. He showed why in the second half last night despite being sick. His defender has to guard him out to 3. He's deadly in the midrange. He can get to the rim and finish. He also generates open looks for Bolden at the rim and kick outs to Cam and AOC (when he's in the game) because everyone comes off to help.

Unfortunately, at the moment, Tre can't create offense for others because he's just not a threat to score it himself. They don't guard him out to 3, he's only decent in the midrange, and isn't a strong threat to finish at the rim so no one ever leaves their man to help against him.

 

[PatrickYates]

I think it helps us if Tre is at least enough of a threat that his defender has to stay on him and not go double team, but we have played one of the toughest schedules in the country without Tre being a big scorer, and have looked damn impressive doing it when at full strength. The basket doesn't care who made the ball go through. If Tre plays lock down defense and gets the ball to the right person at the right time, we can beat anybody with Tre never taking s single shot

But the other team knows that. Ergo, take the ball out of the hands of whoever Tre is guarding, lessening his defensive impact. On the other side of the court, simply have the guy guarding Tre essentially abandon him in favor of clogging the paint to help on one of our drivers in Cam, RJ, or Zion. Right now, if you were coaching against Duke, would you tell your PG to seriously guard Tre on the perimeter. If he drives, it is easy enough to tighten back up on him to contest drives. He won't take it to the rim, so a defender knows to close out on the assumption that he will pull up for a J.
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People are acting like Tre is taking a bunch of shots with a hand in his face. He is WIDE OPEN. If he makes a few of those, his guy will have to guard him when Tre gets the ball on the perimeter. This will open it up for Tre and everyone. But it isn't just him. AOC is a good shooter, but a little too passive when he gets the ball out there. White is cold. RJ and Zion aren't dangerous shooters, so let them shoot. If one or both is hitting from 3, Duke is unbeatable, but that is unlikely to occur. Cam is a good shooter but inconsistent. We've got two guys that can go for 40, each, if they have unimpeded access to a sparsely populated paint. So why guard a team that can't hit from the perimeter, but that can obliterate you in the paint or off the drive.
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Again, the only way to open it up is to START MAKING THREE POINT SHOTS. They are wide the F open.
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[PatrickYates]

RJ should run point forward in our half court. He showed why in the second half last night despite being sick. His defender has to guard him out to 3. He's deadly in the midrange. He can get to the rim and finish. He also generates open looks for Bolden at the rim and kick outs to Cam and AOC (when he's in the game) because everyone comes off to help.

Unfortunately, at the moment, Tre can't create offense for others because he's just not a threat to score it himself. They don't guard him out to 3, he's only decent in the midrange, and isn't a strong threat to finish at the rim so no one ever leaves their man to help against him.

This went up while I was composing my novel below it. This, a million times this.

 

[SwatX1]

But the other team knows that. Ergo, take the ball out of the hands of whoever Tre is guarding, lessening his defensive impact. On the other side of the court, simply have the guy guarding Tre essentially abandon him in favor of clogging the paint to help on one of our drivers in Cam, RJ, or Zion. Right now, if you were coaching against Duke, would you tell your PG to seriously guard Tre on the perimeter. If he drives, it is easy enough to tighten back up on him to contest drives. He won't take it to the rim, so a defender knows to close out on the assumption that he will pull up for a J.
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People are acting like Tre is taking a bunch of shots with a hand in his face. He is WIDE OPEN. If he makes a few of those, his guy will have to guard him when Tre gets the ball on the perimeter. This will open it up for Tre and everyone. But it isn't just him. AOC is a good shooter, but a little too passive when he gets the ball out there. White is cold. RJ and Zion aren't dangerous shooters, so let them shoot. If one or both is hitting from 3, Duke is unbeatable, but that is unlikely to occur. Cam is a good shooter but inconsistent. We've got two guys that can go for 40, each, if they have unimpeded access to a sparsely populated paint. So why guard a team that can't hit from the perimeter, but that can obliterate you in the paint or off the drive.
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Again, the only way to open it up is to START MAKING THREE POINT SHOTS. They are wide the F open.
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I don't disagree at all that we are even that much more dangerous if Tre is hitting. But it's not like he was deadly and has gone cold. Your points, in my opinion has been the case all season and look at what we have done. We have a hell of a resume and have done quite well. Teams have known most of the season that Tre isn't a huge scoring threat, and still haven't been able to stop us. our gonzaga loss was by one basket. Syracuse hit a 75' shot at half time, Cam didn't play, lost Tre early, and still took them O.T. To beat us. Last night, with Zion, I think we win that game EASILY. Nobody can tell me that Zion doesn't make way more than a 5 point impact on that game. Unc game with Zion, who knows. But I do think Luke get no where near 30 points with Zion there, and we score more points than we did. I believe with no injuries, we have only 1 loss. But yes.....if Tre is hitting his shots, we are much more difficult to defend

 

[PatrickYates]

Tre hasn't "gone cold." As you correctly pointed out. But he has gone from subpar to awful wrt shooting.
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Teams have adjusted to Duke. They have taken him out of the equation on D by taking his guy off the ball, no matter who he guards.
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I'm not arguing that Tre has to become an elite shooter. Or a good shooter. Or even a mediocre shooter. He just has to get back to subpar as opposed to awful.

 

[Alaskan_Assassin_21]

 

[AlanInNJ]

Wow, that's an incredible image.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

This season, there have been 7 games where Tre shot 3 or more threes in a game.. he’s 18% in those games and has never hit more than 1 of his attempts in those games..

In the 18 games he played where he shot only 2 or less threes.. he is 31%..

So basically, he never needs to shoot more than 2 threes a game.. no matter what.

both need to be from the corner....those are the ones he seems to make

 

[Laettner]

Everyone has copied GSW but the problem is they don't have 3 shooters like Steph, KD & Klay. Watching teams like Knicks, Hornets, Nets etc is brick city.

 

[christophero]

I think it is the Zion effect. Tre is not ready to be a featured player. He will be next year if he stays. And that's okay. Most freshman aren't.

 

[PatrickYates]

I think it is the Zion effect. Tre is not ready to be a featured player. He will be next year if he stays. And that's okay. Most freshman aren't.

Featured? He's the fourth option whenever he's on the court. Third at best. He's not closely guarded any more. If teams aren't going to bother guarding him, he needs to hit 30% of his wide open threes.

 

[LouisiAaron]

True. But he hasn't been the disruptive force leading to TOs either.
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This board needs to be better at making nuanced evaluations. It isn't an either/or situation. The options aren't great and horrible. There are a whole host of ranges.
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Lately, Tre has been OK on defense. Not horrible. But not elite either.

He has been very good on defense. Maybe not his best but if he’s continuously holding a player below averages he’s doing his job. Zion has a lot to do with those forced turnovers as well. When you know you have two of the top shot blockers in the conference back there you can dig in even more