Trent Johnson throwing his players under the bus.
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I guess the coach can't admit that he may not be doing a great job. I doubt he said last year that the only reason we are winning games is due to Thornton making every shot he takes. At least it seemed that way to me.<div>
</div><div>If you go 1-15 in the SEC in a year the SEC West is pretty average, then that is on the coach. He only signed two players last year, Aaron Morris who is averaging 3 points a game while shooting 29% from the field, 50% from the FT, and his other signee Eddie Ludwig is averaging 2 points per game while shooting 28% from the field.</div><div>
</div><div>So who's fault is it that LSU signed these two impact freshman? Why not sign someone worth a ****.</div><div>
</div><div>Considering they are losing by far the best player, should be interesting if Johnson can go for 0-16.</div>
</div><div>If you go 1-15 in the SEC in a year the SEC West is pretty average, then that is on the coach. He only signed two players last year, Aaron Morris who is averaging 3 points a game while shooting 29% from the field, 50% from the FT, and his other signee Eddie Ludwig is averaging 2 points per game while shooting 28% from the field.</div><div>
</div><div>So who's fault is it that LSU signed these two impact freshman? Why not sign someone worth a ****.</div><div>
</div><div>Considering they are losing by far the best player, should be interesting if Johnson can go for 0-16.</div>
If your 2 signees can't do any better than that playing on such a terrible team, you've completely wasted 2 scholarships. Not to mention the fact he didn't even use all the scholarships he had available to begin with. I think they're playing 2 or 3 scholarships short. LSU is 1 game away from being the first 1-win SEC basketball team since 1969.</p>
nice, I think this is LSU's sign to move on....other than the fact they've only won oneSEC gamein a year when theSEC W is on par with theSWAC.
Can you imagine if Stans had won one SEC game the year after he won the outright title? This board, and probably you would have been calling for his head.
Recruiting is part of the gig.
Recruiting is part of the gig.
I don't think so...he said LSU should move on from Trent Johnson...and I thought that was a ridiculous opinion
I said they won the SEC last year and graduate literally everybody. You dont use 9 scholarships in one year, so I think everyone knew LSU was going to be bad, and it would take a year or two to get the schollies balanced out.
I said they won the SEC last year and graduate literally everybody. You dont use 9 scholarships in one year, so I think everyone knew LSU was going to be bad, and it would take a year or two to get the schollies balanced out.
so Im not sure how fair it is to hold this freshman class against him. He is forced to play guys that are walkons and probably couldn't log playing time at a mid major.
I think its ridiculous how hard people are being on a guy that's a proven winner at multiple schools. He may flop at LSU, but history says this guy is a winner.
I think its ridiculous how hard people are being on a guy that's a proven winner at multiple schools. He may flop at LSU, but history says this guy is a winner.
I don't care how decimated you are, you should win at least 3 conference games. Their losses weren't any worse than ours from the 1996 team (we lost everybody, they at least returned Tasmin Mitchell) and we still managed to go 6-10 in the SEC, and it was a tougher league back then. Even our 1986 and 1987 teams, which weretwo of the worst Div. I teams I've ever seen, each won 3 SEC games.
4* white guy out of Metairie. 6'7" with great ball skills and can shoot from anywhere on the court. Not a big guy, just tall.<div>
</div><div>Matt Derenbecker is his name.</div>
</div><div>Matt Derenbecker is his name.</div>
And break it down Dr. Jack style.<div>
</div><div>Lets first look at Johnson at Stanford. Stanford was a pretty good gig when Johnson took over for Mike Montgomery. How good? Well in the previous 7 seasons Stanford went an incredible 188-40. Basically averaged 27-6 for seven seasons. They made the tournament during all seven years, getting past the first round every year, going to one elite eight, and one final four. the other five years they didn't get past the second round. Not a perfect resume, but certainly a Top 10-20 program in the country during this 7 year stretch.</div><div>
</div><div>Well Montgomery leaves to go to the NBA and here comes Trent Johnson, the hot name from Nevada. He promptly turns in a 18-13 record, (the worst record at Stanford in a dozen years) and is one of the last teams in the tourney and gets bounced in the first round. Follows that up with a 16-14 record and a trip to the NIT. Congratulations Coach Johnson, you just broke an 11 year of NCAA tourney appearances. When you accomplish something that hasn't been done in a dozen years at a school, that certainly is noteworthy. Follows up that fantastic 2nd season with a 3rd season of 18-13 and once again gets a miracle bid to the NCAA tourney, which of course they get bounced in the first round. Now I will give you that Johnson's 4th season was strong. He went 26-8 in the regular season and went to the sweet sixteen. Solid year at a once Top 20 program. In fact his best year 26-8, was an average year 27-6 at Stanford before he got there. That is the best example of a bad hire, his best effort is what his predecessor would have considered an average season.</div><div>
</div><div>Im not going to break down his 5 years at Nevada. Im just going to post his record: 79-74, one tourney appearance which was a sweet sixteen, that got him a gig at Stanford.</div><div>
</div><div>So to recap, Johnson's record at Stanford in 4 years: 80-48 The previous 7 years at Stanford: 188-40;</div><div>
</div><div>So basically he lost 8 more games in 3 less years. </div><div>
</div><div>That is Trent Johnson.</div>
</div><div>Lets first look at Johnson at Stanford. Stanford was a pretty good gig when Johnson took over for Mike Montgomery. How good? Well in the previous 7 seasons Stanford went an incredible 188-40. Basically averaged 27-6 for seven seasons. They made the tournament during all seven years, getting past the first round every year, going to one elite eight, and one final four. the other five years they didn't get past the second round. Not a perfect resume, but certainly a Top 10-20 program in the country during this 7 year stretch.</div><div>
</div><div>Well Montgomery leaves to go to the NBA and here comes Trent Johnson, the hot name from Nevada. He promptly turns in a 18-13 record, (the worst record at Stanford in a dozen years) and is one of the last teams in the tourney and gets bounced in the first round. Follows that up with a 16-14 record and a trip to the NIT. Congratulations Coach Johnson, you just broke an 11 year of NCAA tourney appearances. When you accomplish something that hasn't been done in a dozen years at a school, that certainly is noteworthy. Follows up that fantastic 2nd season with a 3rd season of 18-13 and once again gets a miracle bid to the NCAA tourney, which of course they get bounced in the first round. Now I will give you that Johnson's 4th season was strong. He went 26-8 in the regular season and went to the sweet sixteen. Solid year at a once Top 20 program. In fact his best year 26-8, was an average year 27-6 at Stanford before he got there. That is the best example of a bad hire, his best effort is what his predecessor would have considered an average season.</div><div>
</div><div>Im not going to break down his 5 years at Nevada. Im just going to post his record: 79-74, one tourney appearance which was a sweet sixteen, that got him a gig at Stanford.</div><div>
</div><div>So to recap, Johnson's record at Stanford in 4 years: 80-48 The previous 7 years at Stanford: 188-40;</div><div>
</div><div>So basically he lost 8 more games in 3 less years. </div><div>
</div><div>That is Trent Johnson.</div>
Really? Does LSU really even care if their basketball team is good?<div>
</div><div>LSU signed two players from MS this past recruiting class who both may be great, I have never seen them play, but I have a feeling that if they were good and were from MS, that Stans would have signed both of them. I don't think either one of them had offers from MSU or OM, so basically this is like bizarro football recruiting for LSU.</div><div>
</div><div>Getting the players from MS that neither in-state schools wants.</div><div>
</div><div>LSU has no reason not to be good in basketball, same with Arkansas. Those schools should dominate the West in Basketball.</div>
</div><div>LSU signed two players from MS this past recruiting class who both may be great, I have never seen them play, but I have a feeling that if they were good and were from MS, that Stans would have signed both of them. I don't think either one of them had offers from MSU or OM, so basically this is like bizarro football recruiting for LSU.</div><div>
</div><div>Getting the players from MS that neither in-state schools wants.</div><div>
</div><div>LSU has no reason not to be good in basketball, same with Arkansas. Those schools should dominate the West in Basketball.</div>
so its obviously not that easy to win there.
And if Johnson left the program in such bad shape that Dawkins' hands are tied, the same should be said about Brady and LSU when Johnson inherited. You are comparing him to Mike Montgomery who is a hell of coach. I don't think anyone is saying Johnson is better than Mike Montgomery.
The Nevada overall record is a misrepresentation. The program got better every year under him. He took them to their first NCAA tourney since 1985.
Im not a worshiper, but the guy has won. And Im not going to condemn him for a horrible season while having to play walkons.
And if Johnson left the program in such bad shape that Dawkins' hands are tied, the same should be said about Brady and LSU when Johnson inherited. You are comparing him to Mike Montgomery who is a hell of coach. I don't think anyone is saying Johnson is better than Mike Montgomery.
The Nevada overall record is a misrepresentation. The program got better every year under him. He took them to their first NCAA tourney since 1985.
Im not a worshiper, but the guy has won. And Im not going to condemn him for a horrible season while having to play walkons.
It was easy when Johnson inherited the program. Stanford went 30-2 the year before Johnson arrived. 30-2. The following season they went 18-13. Now Im sure there were personnel losses, but that is a huge drop.<div>
</div><div>Bottom line is that Stanford was a top 10-20 program before Johnson arrived. When he left it had become an average program. </div><div>
</div><div>Nevada did eventually get better, I will give you that, but look at what Mark Fox did at Nevada after Johnson left. Now you could argue that Johnson left that for Fox, but I think that is minimizing what Fox did at Nevada. </div><div>
</div><div>Look I know the cupboard was pretty empty at LSU this year, but staring at 1-15? As an Ole Miss fan, I have suffered through some pretty bad OM teams, none of which had a talent like Mitchell and they never went 1-15. </div><div>
</div><div>Looking at what Johnson did to a proud Stanford basketball program speaks for itself. </div>
</div><div>Bottom line is that Stanford was a top 10-20 program before Johnson arrived. When he left it had become an average program. </div><div>
</div><div>Nevada did eventually get better, I will give you that, but look at what Mark Fox did at Nevada after Johnson left. Now you could argue that Johnson left that for Fox, but I think that is minimizing what Fox did at Nevada. </div><div>
</div><div>Look I know the cupboard was pretty empty at LSU this year, but staring at 1-15? As an Ole Miss fan, I have suffered through some pretty bad OM teams, none of which had a talent like Mitchell and they never went 1-15. </div><div>
</div><div>Looking at what Johnson did to a proud Stanford basketball program speaks for itself. </div>
But if the previous 8 seasons you went to the NCAA tourney all 8 years, including a FF, Elite Eight, Sweet Sixteen, and 2nd round the other five trips, what Johnson did doesn't sound so great.<div>
</div><div>In the previous 8 seasons Stanford lost 48 games. In the 4 seasons with Johnson they lost 48 games.</div><div>
</div><div>In 2006-2007 they went 18-13 with the Lopez twins on the team. </div><div>
</div><div>How do you judge if he is a good coach? Did he make Stanford a better program? Nope. Did he simply maintain the success? Nope. Did he come close to maintaining the success? Nope. So he takes a good program and makes it average,andthenusestwoNBAfirstroundpicksandturnsoutaSweetSixteen,andthatisagoodcoach?Idon'tthinkso.</div><div>
</div><div>He certainly isn't better than Mike Montgomery, I don't think he is that great of a coach period. I think he is an average coach, and his record speaks to that. </div>
</div><div>In the previous 8 seasons Stanford lost 48 games. In the 4 seasons with Johnson they lost 48 games.</div><div>
</div><div>In 2006-2007 they went 18-13 with the Lopez twins on the team. </div><div>
</div><div>How do you judge if he is a good coach? Did he make Stanford a better program? Nope. Did he simply maintain the success? Nope. Did he come close to maintaining the success? Nope. So he takes a good program and makes it average,andthenusestwoNBAfirstroundpicksandturnsoutaSweetSixteen,andthatisagoodcoach?Idon'tthinkso.</div><div>
</div><div>He certainly isn't better than Mike Montgomery, I don't think he is that great of a coach period. I think he is an average coach, and his record speaks to that. </div>
bill brasky said:
I think Metairie Country Day, the same place that the current big white kid (Ludwig?) played. Mike McGuire is the coach, a great guy.