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<blockquote data-quote="Volatility_rivals135605" data-source="post: 131832689" data-attributes="member: 1476288"><p>If you correlate talent to wins, it actually makes sense being 2017 was the worst recruiting year in that horrendous 3 year stretch by DH. IT ranked 57th...... and that is with all the top players included that are no longer at WVU, nor have been at WVU for a few years...</p><p></p><p>2015 = 35th</p><p>2016 = 39th</p><p>2017 - 57th</p><p></p><p>Again, those figures are not subtracting the players that left, quit, transferred, kick out of school, medically retired, failed out of school, etc...</p><p></p><p>I dont think 2 seasons is nowhere long enough to resolve the level of deficiencies Brown inherited. Not at a progran like WVU. If it were Texas, OU, Bama, etc, sure, but even recruiting at higher levels, you still need them to mature, grow, learn, develop, etc. </p><p></p><p>Dabo took a major step backward in his 3rd year too, and that was with a far superior roster. Matt Campbell also took a step backward in his 4th year, there are many examples of: 2 steps forward, 1 step back when looking at historical coaching records. </p><p></p><p>Honestly, that 2019 team was not a 5 win team from a talent+exp perspective. We had a few very lucky plays and Brown did an amazing job getting that team to 5 wins. He should have won an award for that year. To have a coach to outperform just to get to 5 wins, speaks of the dire situation he walked into.</p><p></p><p>People can say, yeah with portal available now, it shouldnt take that long. BUT.... thats not how Brown wants to build this program for long term consistency. He has a vision for how to build WVU to raise the performance floor & ceiling, and he believes in it so strongly hes not willing to sacrifice long term growth for winning a couple extra games by hitting the transfer portal hard... just to "Lets go win some games"...</p><p></p><p>I admire his conviction. Brown mentioned in the press conference, how hes not changing his plan, or making wholesale changes, because I think he has a grasp on what the limitations truly are, and the vast majority firmly reside on the roster. Which he resolving in a way the nurtures higher potential & consistency, it just takes longer.</p><p></p><p>If Brown did not know how to efficiently utilize talent, he would have never beat LSU, Nebraska, and almost upset Clemson while at Troy. Which does not recruit anywhere near the same zip code as those programs. </p><p></p><p>Granted, there are definitely things the staff can always improve, and I def think they have made a few mistakes this year, but considering all factors, its to early to tell if Brown wont be able to get it done at WVU. This is his 1st P5 HC job too, so I would imagine there are things he will get better at as well.</p><p></p><p>WVU is not a Miami, FSU, Texas, Tennessee, etc where they recruit at top 10-15 class every year and a new coach is walking into a ready made team that just needs to learn new schemes & terminology. </p><p></p><p>You could put Nick Saban and staff on the worst team, and you'll not see the same concepts or schemes, game plans, etc because they dont have the talent to deploy them. Same thing in our situation. I think the vast majority of our issues reside with our roster. Again, not saying Brown is perfect or cant improve, because he certainly can.</p><p></p><p>2.5 years in this situation is not enough time to draw accurate conclusions with regard to staff quality. Thats my opinion of course.</p><p></p><p>Agree to disagree I suppose...</p><p></p><p>Good Evening to you TBTFT</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Volatility_rivals135605, post: 131832689, member: 1476288"] If you correlate talent to wins, it actually makes sense being 2017 was the worst recruiting year in that horrendous 3 year stretch by DH. IT ranked 57th...... and that is with all the top players included that are no longer at WVU, nor have been at WVU for a few years... 2015 = 35th 2016 = 39th 2017 - 57th Again, those figures are not subtracting the players that left, quit, transferred, kick out of school, medically retired, failed out of school, etc... I dont think 2 seasons is nowhere long enough to resolve the level of deficiencies Brown inherited. Not at a progran like WVU. If it were Texas, OU, Bama, etc, sure, but even recruiting at higher levels, you still need them to mature, grow, learn, develop, etc. Dabo took a major step backward in his 3rd year too, and that was with a far superior roster. Matt Campbell also took a step backward in his 4th year, there are many examples of: 2 steps forward, 1 step back when looking at historical coaching records. Honestly, that 2019 team was not a 5 win team from a talent+exp perspective. We had a few very lucky plays and Brown did an amazing job getting that team to 5 wins. He should have won an award for that year. To have a coach to outperform just to get to 5 wins, speaks of the dire situation he walked into. People can say, yeah with portal available now, it shouldnt take that long. BUT.... thats not how Brown wants to build this program for long term consistency. He has a vision for how to build WVU to raise the performance floor & ceiling, and he believes in it so strongly hes not willing to sacrifice long term growth for winning a couple extra games by hitting the transfer portal hard... just to "Lets go win some games"... I admire his conviction. Brown mentioned in the press conference, how hes not changing his plan, or making wholesale changes, because I think he has a grasp on what the limitations truly are, and the vast majority firmly reside on the roster. Which he resolving in a way the nurtures higher potential & consistency, it just takes longer. If Brown did not know how to efficiently utilize talent, he would have never beat LSU, Nebraska, and almost upset Clemson while at Troy. Which does not recruit anywhere near the same zip code as those programs. Granted, there are definitely things the staff can always improve, and I def think they have made a few mistakes this year, but considering all factors, its to early to tell if Brown wont be able to get it done at WVU. This is his 1st P5 HC job too, so I would imagine there are things he will get better at as well. WVU is not a Miami, FSU, Texas, Tennessee, etc where they recruit at top 10-15 class every year and a new coach is walking into a ready made team that just needs to learn new schemes & terminology. You could put Nick Saban and staff on the worst team, and you'll not see the same concepts or schemes, game plans, etc because they dont have the talent to deploy them. Same thing in our situation. I think the vast majority of our issues reside with our roster. Again, not saying Brown is perfect or cant improve, because he certainly can. 2.5 years in this situation is not enough time to draw accurate conclusions with regard to staff quality. Thats my opinion of course. Agree to disagree I suppose... Good Evening to you TBTFT [/QUOTE]
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