Trump admin is messing up on the Epstein thing

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I’m finding myself in directionally in agreement with the left right now in that the Trump admin is trying to distract from the Epstein stuff. I’m in deep disagreement with the reasoning they’re trying to push.

Trump is no more tied to Epstein than Obama is guilty of treason. That’s hyperbolic absurdity trying to make an “issue” out of this. My genuine belief is that a lot of powerful people are tied up with the Estein stuff inside of this Government, connected to it, and from foreign Govt’s. My belief is Trump used the release of Epstein docs as leverage to get a bunch of stuff done, trade deals, rescission packages, BBB, and more. The Epstein thing was clearly our Govt running a Kompromat operation. It’s not Mossad, it’s not GRU, it’s not China, it was us. Instead of Trump trying to fight the IC like last time, he’s embracing them to work for him. That’s fine, no issues.

Now, the issue is, too much red meat was thrown out about disinfecting DC with the truth to American people. No amount of releases on JFK, MLK, UFOs (where is that?), the Russiagate stuff, COVID origins, legalizing the gonja (where is that?), etc. is going to distract from this one. On a bipartisan basis, we want the tea. Get it out, burn em all down. There has to be some accountability across the board. I don’t care which side it takes down. On any of the aforementioned issues either. Release it all. Bring some truth and visibility back to the Government. If not, Trump will be no different than anyone else that’s held that office.

And all of this Russiagate stuff, cool, I’ve read it all. For anyone who followed it closely, none of this is news. Literally none of it. It’s a rehash of everything I could’ve read from The Epochtimes from 2018-2019. Almost all of it was covered in the Gen Flynn trial disclosures. @TarHeelEer literally posted all of this stuff years ago. Hold some people accountable, file charges, or shut the **** up.

Whoever is advising Trump on this is failing in this regard. The people who want this stuff out there aren’t your cable news viewers. They’re releasing it like they’re playing from the old school cable media/print journalism playbook, not the one where podcasts and internet reign dominant. The reality is, the biggest thing going for him are the podcasters and their audiences; Rogan, Jimmy Dore, Tucker, Russel Brandt, Theo Von, Tim Dillon, Dave Smith, Andrew Schultz, etc. These names carry more views on any one show than all cable outlets combined. Coupled together and you’re covering an audience of damn near his entire electorate. An extremely well informed group of people.

We’ve reached an age where results matter now. Not an endless lack of accountability. He’s going to squander his broad support, not his base, though some of them are going to feel betrayed if he doesn’t follow through. And once that happens, they won’t be recaptured.

The administration needs to respect the promises made and not make the mistake of thinking we’re all the same rubes the leftist cable news outlets have watching their nonsense.
 

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I’m finding myself in directionally in agreement with the left right now in that the Trump admin is trying to distract from the Epstein stuff. I’m in deep disagreement with the reasoning they’re trying to push.

Trump is no more tied to Epstein than Obama is guilty of treason. That’s hyperbolic absurdity trying to make an “issue” out of this. My genuine belief is that a lot of powerful people are tied up with the Estein stuff inside of this Government, connected to it, and from foreign Govt’s. My belief is Trump used the release of Epstein docs as leverage to get a bunch of stuff done, trade deals, rescission packages, BBB, and more. The Epstein thing was clearly our Govt running a Kompromat operation. It’s not Mossad, it’s not GRU, it’s not China, it was us. Instead of Trump trying to fight the IC like last time, he’s embracing them to work for him. That’s fine, no issues.

Now, the issue is, too much red meat was thrown out about disinfecting DC with the truth to American people. No amount of releases on JFK, MLK, UFOs (where is that?), the Russiagate stuff, COVID origins, legalizing the gonja (where is that?), etc. is going to distract from this one. On a bipartisan basis, we want the tea. Get it out, burn em all down. There has to be some accountability across the board. I don’t care which side it takes down. On any of the aforementioned issues either. Release it all. Bring some truth and visibility back to the Government. If not, Trump will be no different than anyone else that’s held that office.

And all of this Russiagate stuff, cool, I’ve read it all. For anyone who followed it closely, none of this is news. Literally none of it. It’s a rehash of everything I could’ve read from The Epochtimes from 2018-2019. Almost all of it was covered in the Gen Flynn trial disclosures. @TarHeelEer literally posted all of this stuff years ago. Hold some people accountable, file charges, or shut the **** up.

Whoever is advising Trump on this is failing in this regard. The people who want this stuff out there aren’t your cable news viewers. They’re releasing it like they’re playing from the old school cable media/print journalism playbook, not the one where podcasts and internet reign dominant. The reality is, the biggest thing going for him are the podcasters and their audiences; Rogan, Jimmy Dore, Tucker, Russel Brandt, Theo Von, Tim Dillon, Dave Smith, Andrew Schultz, etc. These names carry more views on any one show than all cable outlets combined. Coupled together and you’re covering an audience of damn near his entire electorate. An extremely well informed group of people.

We’ve reached an age where results matter now. Not an endless lack of accountability. He’s going to squander his broad support, not his base, though some of them are going to feel betrayed if he doesn’t follow through. And once that happens, they won’t be recaptured.

The administration needs to respect the promises made and not make the mistake of thinking we’re all the same rubes the leftist cable news outlets have watching their nonsense.
I agree with most of this, particularly the call for the Trump administration to "come clean" on who/what was involved with pedo Epstein? I seriously doubt Trump is involved as some on the Left suggest, however I do agree he's using the information as leverage against whoever was involved, and I agree it was mostly us! (US Government)

The Truth will come out eventually, and if Trump is as saavy as I suspect, he'll get out in front of it and let the chips fall where they may. Nothing less than full transparency is going to work here.

Good post.
 

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The biggest story re. the Epstein stuff shouldn't be whether Trump releases info now but rather the fact that some people at the top were pedophiles and the rest of the people at the top ignored it for a long time, including all our mass media.

They act like Trump was the only one palling around with Epstein and that this is a new revelation. No, we've known for a long time that a lot of people were palling around with Epstein, and some were more than just with Epstein, if you know what I mean.

This whole thing didn't get started because the MSM decided to make it a story. It got started because the MSM ignored it but other people didn't. Trump got in trouble because he was asked on Lex Fridman's podcast whether he'd release the Epstein files. Nobody before then on the MSM was asking anyone about it. And if Harris had won the election then still nobody would be talking about it now.
 

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The biggest story re. the Epstein stuff shouldn't be whether Trump releases info now but rather the fact that some people at the top were pedophiles and the rest of the people at the top ignored it for a long time, including all our mass media.

They act like Trump was the only one palling around with Epstein and that this is a new revelation. No, we've known for a long time that a lot of people were palling around with Epstein, and some were more than just with Epstein, if you know what I mean.

This whole thing didn't get started because the MSM decided to make it a story. It got started because the MSM ignored it but other people didn't. Trump got in trouble because he was asked on Lex Fridman's podcast whether he'd release the Epstein files. Nobody before then on the MSM was asking anyone about it. And if Harris had won the election then still nobody would be talking about it now.
I find it hilarious how the Left is now carping about Trump not releasing the infamous Epstein "list" when they've all known full well who was on it for the past 4 years and said nothing about it! I'll 100% guarantee if Trump was one of Epstein's "clients", we'd have heard about it from those same shysters who are getting so vexed about it now. :rolleyes:
 

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I hope that Trump is giving the left enough rope to hang themselves. Make them beg for the Epstein release, then implicate them all.
I was thinking the exact same thing. He's just sly enough to do that too!
 

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Transparency.

Release the DOJ and FBI investigative files on the Epstein matter (simple to redact victims' names, just a few global computer strokes). The grand jury files are a red herring, as they are limited to just a few criminal charges and only involve a small percentage of the scope of wrongful conduct. Bring all the files into the sunshine and let us see who was involved, Dem or Repub or Maga, all of them. Show us the swamp creatures. The longer the delay, the more folks will think those files are being sanitized to protect the big-wigs spoken of by D-Dog.

Give a voice to the victims. They have been left out of the recent machinations. They're the ones who suffered. They earned the right to participate, the hard way.

Do not even think of a Presidential Pardon or commutation of Ghislaine Maxwell. That would smack of a cover-up. The idea of having her testify to Congress is laughable. She is as far from credible as a person can be. Waste of time and resources. In addition to being up on perjury charges, she will say anything to get out of her 20-year prison sentence. She already got transferred to a lighter security prison.
 

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I hope that Trump is giving the left enough rope to hang themselves. Make them beg for the Epstein release, then implicate them all.
If Trump doesn't release info and then a Democrat wins POTUS in 2028, I guarantee from Jan 20, 2029 onwards we will not hear one peep about the Epstein Files from the MSM.
 

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I’m finding myself in directionally in agreement with the left right now in that the Trump admin is trying to distract from the Epstein stuff. I’m in deep disagreement with the reasoning they’re trying to push.

Trump is no more tied to Epstein than Obama is guilty of treason. That’s hyperbolic absurdity trying to make an “issue” out of this. My genuine belief is that a lot of powerful people are tied up with the Estein stuff inside of this Government, connected to it, and from foreign Govt’s. My belief is Trump used the release of Epstein docs as leverage to get a bunch of stuff done, trade deals, rescission packages, BBB, and more. The Epstein thing was clearly our Govt running a Kompromat operation. It’s not Mossad, it’s not GRU, it’s not China, it was us. Instead of Trump trying to fight the IC like last time, he’s embracing them to work for him. That’s fine, no issues.

Now, the issue is, too much red meat was thrown out about disinfecting DC with the truth to American people. No amount of releases on JFK, MLK, UFOs (where is that?), the Russiagate stuff, COVID origins, legalizing the gonja (where is that?), etc. is going to distract from this one. On a bipartisan basis, we want the tea. Get it out, burn em all down. There has to be some accountability across the board. I don’t care which side it takes down. On any of the aforementioned issues either. Release it all. Bring some truth and visibility back to the Government. If not, Trump will be no different than anyone else that’s held that office.

And all of this Russiagate stuff, cool, I’ve read it all. For anyone who followed it closely, none of this is news. Literally none of it. It’s a rehash of everything I could’ve read from The Epochtimes from 2018-2019. Almost all of it was covered in the Gen Flynn trial disclosures. @TarHeelEer literally posted all of this stuff years ago. Hold some people accountable, file charges, or shut the **** up.

Whoever is advising Trump on this is failing in this regard. The people who want this stuff out there aren’t your cable news viewers. They’re releasing it like they’re playing from the old school cable media/print journalism playbook, not the one where podcasts and internet reign dominant. The reality is, the biggest thing going for him are the podcasters and their audiences; Rogan, Jimmy Dore, Tucker, Russel Brandt, Theo Von, Tim Dillon, Dave Smith, Andrew Schultz, etc. These names carry more views on any one show than all cable outlets combined. Coupled together and you’re covering an audience of damn near his entire electorate. An extremely well informed group of people.

We’ve reached an age where results matter now. Not an endless lack of accountability. He’s going to squander his broad support, not his base, though some of them are going to feel betrayed if he doesn’t follow through. And once that happens, they won’t be recaptured.

The administration needs to respect the promises made and not make the mistake of thinking we’re all the same rubes the leftist cable news outlets have watching their nonsense.

The Deputy Attorney General just spent two days questioning her. It was messed up by Comey's daughter. He will be taking a different approach. I also wouldn't waste my time defending Obama.


 

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Transparency.

Release the DOJ and FBI investigative files on the Epstein matter (simple to redact victims' names, just a few global computer strokes). The grand jury files are a red herring, as they are limited to just a few criminal charges and only involve a small percentage of the scope of wrongful conduct. Bring all the files into the sunshine and let us see who was involved, Dem or Repub or Maga, all of them. Show us the swamp creatures. The longer the delay, the more folks will think those files are being sanitized to protect the big-wigs spoken of by D-Dog.

Give a voice to the victims. They have been left out of the recent machinations. They're the ones who suffered. They earned the right to participate, the hard way.

Do not even think of a Presidential Pardon or commutation of Ghislaine Maxwell. That would smack of a cover-up. The idea of having her testify to Congress is laughable. She is as far from credible as a person can be. Waste of time and resources. In addition to being up on perjury charges, she will say anything to get out of her 20-year prison sentence. She already got transferred to a lighter security prison.
The only legitimate reason for withholding some of the info is to protect innocent folks who may have been tangentially connected to Epstein's perversions...but not direct participants. I am all for redactions, and also allowing the victims (those who are willing) to come forward and name their abusers. Full transparency is the only way to clean up the PR mess Bondi created by first promising all that, then reneging.

Are YOU ever gonna come clean with your infamous "list" blondie Pam Bondi?

I'll only do what I'm told, the rest of you vultures can just sit & speculate OK?

Yeah? You do that blondie Pam Bondi, you can just go back to Florida chasing ambulances for the State Government OK? :mad:
 
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Comey's daughter definitely failed to find out.






That would mean she's giving information about others that can be checked into and produce results. Something Comey's daughter didn't want you to see.


 
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I hope that Trump is giving the left enough rope to hang themselves. Make them beg for the Epstein release, then implicate them all.

3-4 Months before midterms hopefully. Will have a lot of personnel to replace and now is not the time. I think it would be least damaging to the operation of running a country if the cleanup took place at midterms. It will be a mess for sure any way it goes down.
 

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Hey Catherine Herridge....one of our staunch Leftist defenders on this forum named @moe thinks your reporting and the rest of the independent media on this now documented factual Russia...Russia...Russia hoax is all made up!

He thinks Trump really did "collude" with the Russians to steal the '16 election, and you all are just shills now covering it up for this current Trump administration!

I don't know who this guy @moe is, but I can promise you he doesn't know half the facts of this hoax that I do!

Catherine Herridge-Investigative reporter

@moe
Look atl...if she's not part of the dishonest, lying, discredited legacy media... why should I listen to anything she has to report?

Oh I almost forgot 'ol @moe ...you're only interested in hearsay & smears backed up by anonymous sources. :rolleyes:

well..., those make the best anti-Trump stories atl, what's wrong with you?
 

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Make some arrests or shut the **** up. I know all about the Russiagate. Arrest some people.

also

Release the Epstein files.
If you think anyone will get arrested, you are incredibly naive. It is a PR war and nothing more. All of it.

Just like Epstein, this is a waste of time.
 
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Make some arrests or shut the **** up. I know all about the Russiagate. Arrest some people.

also

Release the Epstein files.

They didn't rob a 7 eleven dumbass. You should know there will be detailed investigations then several Grand Juries that will have to see all the evidence before people can be arrested. Doing it like Team Mueller, Comey, and Brennan are why they are in trouble right now. So how about you STFU until that process is conducted the legal way.

I'm pretty confident Scavino and Miller get constant updates considering their positions in the White House.



 
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Trump can't avoid Epstein questions; Joe Rogan says files 'a line in the sand'​

 

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The didn't rob a 7 eleven dumbass. You should know there will be detailed investigations then several Grand Juries that will have to see all the evidence before people can be arrested. Doing it like Team Mueller, Comey, and Brennan are why they are in trouble right now. So how about you STFU until that process is conducted the legal way.

I'm pretty confident Scavino and Miller get constant updates considering their positions in the White House.







Bondi ordered an unnamed federal prosecutor to initiate legal proceedings, and the prosecutor is expected to present department evidence to a grand jury to secure a potential indictment, according to a letter from Bondi reviewed by Fox News Digital and a source familiar with the investigation.

A DOJ spokesperson declined to comment on the report of an investigation but said Bondi is taking the referrals from Gabbard "very seriously." The spokesperson said Bondi believed there is "clear cause for deep concern" and a need for the next steps.



DOJ launching grand jury investigation into Russiagate conspiracy allegations: source​

Pam Bondi acts on Tulsi Gabbard's criminal referral claiming intelligence community suppression​

 

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BREAKING: The Trump DOJ has announced a GRAND JURY in the Russia Collusion Hoax This is MASSIVE!
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Bondi has directed a federal prosecutor to bring the evidence given the them by Tulsi Gabbard to a Grand Jury for potential INDICTMENTS. Some sources are mentioning James Clapper and John Brennan could be the first to be charged.
 
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Royal Family Insiders: Epstein Sold Videos of Prince Andrew to Russia

British Royal Family insiders have claimed that Jeffrey Epstein sold “lots of videos” and other incriminating evidence he had on Prince Andrew to the Russian government.

The bombshell was revealed by historian and investigative author Andrew Lownie in his devastating new biography of the British prince.

The book is based on four years of forensic research and hundreds of interviews with insiders.

The new biography exposes Andrew’s hedonistic private life and astonishing sense of entitlement.

It reveals new details of his sordid relationship with pedophile financier Jeffrey Epstein.

Alarmingly, Royal insiders told Lownie that Russia has shocking video evidence of Prince Andrew after it was sold to Russian President Vladimir Putin by Epstein.

The book also details Andrew’s close relationship with Epstein and his accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell, the British socialite daughter of the late media baron Robert Maxwell.

Andrew and Maxwell were good friends, and through her, the prince had come into the ambit of Epstein.

Epstein had stood by Ghislaine after the death of her father, a man with long-standing connections to British, Russian, and Israeli intelligence.

Robert Maxwell had met a sudden and mysterious death eight years earlier, and the subsequent discoveries of his crimes, in which he had stolen hundreds of millions of pounds from the pension funds of his companies.

According to bank records, from 1999 to 2007, Epstein gave her more than $30 million to restore her to the lavish lifestyle to which she had become accustomed.

In return, the well-connected Oxford graduate played a crucial role in Epstein’s complicated but lucrative business and personal life, introducing him to influential contacts.

She also organised a stream of young girls for the same men who would then be blackmailed, as well as satisfying his own demanding sex needs.

Epstein owned houses all over the world, including the largest townhouse in Manhattan, valued at $77 million, an 8,000-acre ranch in New Mexico, and a home in Palm Beach, Florida.

It was, however, to his 72-acre private island, Little St James, otherwise known as “Pedophile Island,” which has been at the center of much of the controversy.

ndrew frequently visited the island but his trips were never listed on any of his official schedules.

Witnesses have revealed that Andrew was a regular on the island.

An employee told Denise George, attorney general of the US Virgin Islands, of seeing him “on a balcony groping girls right out in the open – he remembered walking up to him saying, ‘Good morning your Highness.'”

In addition, Epstein’s personal driver, Ivan Novikov, remembered: “Whenever Andrew was in town, I’d be picking up young girls who were essentially prostitutes.

‘One time I drove him and two young girls aged around age 18 to a hotel.

“Both girls were doing lines of cocaine.

“Prince Andrew was making out with one of them.”

Epstein’s long-time housekeeper Debra Gale, who worked on the island and in Florida, called the duke a “mainstay” at the Palm Beach house:

“I once found sex toys on the floor of his room and women’s panties in the bed.”

She said Andrew also kept newly-wrapped women’s pantyhose, lingerie, and sandals of several sizes in his closet at Epstein’s home.

“It was weird seeing all that. It appeared he had all types of fetishes,” she added.
 

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The biggest story re. the Epstein stuff shouldn't be whether Trump releases info now but rather the fact that some people at the top were pedophiles and the rest of the people at the top ignored it for a long time, including all our mass media.

They act like Trump was the only one palling around with Epstein and that this is a new revelation. No, we've known for a long time that a lot of people were palling around with Epstein, and some were more than just with Epstein, if you know what I mean.

This whole thing didn't get started because the MSM decided to make it a story. It got started because the MSM ignored it but other people didn't. Trump got in trouble because he was asked on Lex Fridman's podcast whether he'd release the Epstein files. Nobody before then on the MSM was asking anyone about it. And if Harris had won the election then still nobody would be talking about it now.
Trump: Bill Clinton Visited Epstein’s Notorious Island ’28 Times’

President Donald Trump criticized the media’s selective coverage of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, accusing reporters of overlooking prominent Democrats in the financier’s orbit, such as Bill Clinton.

Clinton allegedly visited Epstein’s notorious private island, Little St. James.

The secluded location was known by locals and authorities as “Pedophile Island” due to the number of underage girls and older man who travelled there.

Although Epstein had ties to many high-profile figures, including Clinton, recent corporate media reporting has focused almost exclusively on trying to link Trump to the disgraced Democrat financier.

It is well-known that both Trump and Clinton once had connections with Epstein.

While Trump is believed to have crossed paths with Epstein in social circles, Clinton had a long-held friendship with the sex trafficker.

However, Trump had a falling out with Epstein in 2004, well before Epstein’s first arrest for sex crimes in 2006.

While in Scotland on Monday, Trump explained that Epstein caused a rift in their relationship by stealing workers.

Trump also said he never visited Epstein’s notorious island, but Clinton traveled there “supposedly 28 times.”

“I never had the privilege of going to his island,” Trump said.

“And I did turn it down.

“But a lot of people in Palm Beach were invited to his island.

“In one of my very good moments, I turned it down.

“I didn’t want to go to his island.”

While returning to the U.S. on Tuesday, Trump clarified that the workers Epstein “stole” were employees in the Mar-A-Lago spa.

One of those workers was Epstein and Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre, who died by “suicide” this year.

In a 2016 deposition that was unsealed last year, Giuffre testified to meeting Clinton twice on Epstein’s Pedophile Island.

She said he must have known about the crimes taking place there.

However, she never observed Clinton behaving inappropriately.

“Yes, he would be a witness because he knew what my purpose there was for Jeffrey and he visited Jeffrey’s island,” Giuffre said, according to the transcript.