Trump's tweet to "send in the feds" to Chicago....

[WVPATX]

Cuban Americans vote GOP like crazy in Florida, I don't recall any massive liberal motion to stem the flow of Cubans to our shores. I know there were initiatives to prevent the hypocrisy of accepting Cuban refugees, but sending away Haitian refugees.

Dems do not want to anger any hispanic over immigration. Not sure why this seems so hard for you to grasp.

 

[bamaEER]

State elected officials should be in control of law enforcement in their cities, if they need help let them ask for it....then I have no issue.

Exactly. Biff needs to read up.

 

[Boomboom521]

Dems do not want to anger any hispanic over immigration. Not sure why this seems so hard for you to grasp.

Because it's GOP conspiracy ********, and it does nothing but draws imaginary lines between right and left

 

[bamaEER]

Bama, you clearly do not know the law. Trump has several tools at his disposal and the Lib mayor welcomes Federal involvement. The carnage must stop.

Sessions could order Federal DA's to prosecute all cases of illegal weapons possession, in federal not state court. If convicted, they would be sent to federal prison. Today, if an illegal weapons case is brought, the state tries them and most often they are released from state prison in 3 months or so.

Trump could also send in the Guard to help the police patrol the streets, until the gang violence is under control. Perfectly legal and most in Chicago would welcome the additional help.

Local and state govts need to request it. Biff is implying otherwise.

 

[WVPATX]

State elected officials should be in control of law enforcement in their cities, if they need help let them ask for it....then I have no issue.

Did you hear the Chicago mayor yesterday? He welcomed their help. More importantly, you seem to be all about states rights. What about states that didn't want gay marriage? What about states that don't want legalized abortion or want more abortion restrictions?

If Trump were doing something illegal, I would be with you. But what I described is perfectly legal and has been done many times before.

Were you against JFK sending in of the guard to protect blacks in the South in the early 60's? My guess is that the answer is no.

On June 10, 1963, President John F. Kennedy federalized National Guard troops and deployed them to the University of Alabama to force its desegregation. The next day, Governor Wallace yielded to the federal pressure, and two African American students–Vivian Malone and James A. Hood–successfully enrolled.

 

[WVPATX]

Mobilizing the national guard should be used only when crisis creates the need (again this is questionable in Chicago, and would be his grounds for initiating the action). Or when a federal law is not being enforced by state law enforcement. This isn't a case of bias in law enforcement, it's a case of saying "it's not working, so we are going to come in a do it our way"....imo, it's a violation of States Rights (something I would like to see more of not less - and a pillar in Republican ideology if I'm not mistaken).

Have you seen the MURDER rates in Chicago? If that is not a crisis, I'm not sure what is. Again, your ideology is taking over. Innocent people are dying every day. It is out of control.

 

[WVPATX]

Because it's GOP conspiracy ********, and it does nothing but draws imaginary lines between right and left

There is no imaginary line. The GOP wants to secure the border and control who comes into this country. The Dems do not. It is really that simple.

 

[WVPATX]

Local and state govts need to request it. Biff is implying otherwise.

They do not need to request it. What law are you reading? The Feds have this authority. Possessing an illegal weapon is a federal beef.

 

[atlkvb]

HAHAHAHA.

African Americans aren't going to vote GOP. Look around at all the racism following Trump. The skinheads, neo-Nazis and KKK have come crawling out of the woodwork in masses.

I posted on here the other day Blacks bleed red and spend green. If Trump makes their streets safer, and brings in jobs, they won't see him as a white racist...he'll just be THE MAN.

 

[Boomboom521]

Did you hear the Chicago mayor yesterday? He welcomed their help. More importantly, you seem to be all about states rights. What about states that didn't want gay marriage? What about states that don't want legalized abortion or want more abortion restrictions?

If Trump were doing something illegal, I would be with you. But what I described is perfectly legal and has been done many times before.

Were you against JFK sending in of the guard to protect blacks in the South in the early 60's? My guess is that the answer is no.

On June 10, 1963, President John F. Kennedy federalized National Guard troops and deployed them to the University of Alabama to force its desegregation. The next day, Governor Wallace yielded to the federal pressure, and two African American students–Vivian Malone and James A. Hood–successfully enrolled.

If you don't see the difference in your JFK example, you're blind.

 

[atlkvb]

They do not need to request it. What law are you reading? The Feds have this authority. Possessing an illegal weapon is a federal beef.

Just like riot control.

 

[Boomboom521]

There is no imaginary line. The GOP wants to secure the border and control who comes into this country. The Dems do not. It is really that simple.

Better start on that northern wall while we're at it too

 

[Boomboom521]

Have you seen the MURDER rates in Chicago? If that is not a crisis, I'm not sure what is. Again, your ideology is taking over. Innocent people are dying every day. It is out of control.

I said it's the basis for his initiating the action, and if the elected Governor of Illinois wants to ask for federal help, then its fine with me.

And I advocate for States rights with regard to abortion law (gay marriage shouldn't even be an issue - although I don't care if churches refuse to marry). Stop thinking you have every liberal figured out....O'Rielly

 

[atlkvb]

Governor Wallace

Democrat racist...that always gets missed.

So was Bull Conner, Lester Maddox, J. William Fullbright (Clinton's mentor) and Robert Byrd.(Former Dem Senate Majority leader)
All DEMOCRATS.

 

[WVPATX]

If you don't see the difference in your JFK example, you're blind.

I see a difference. JFK was enforcing desegregation. Trump is trying to save lives. You claimed Trump was imposing Marshall Law. Was JFK imposing Marshall Law?

Boom, it seems you're saying when a Dem sends in the Guard it is ok. When a Republican President does, it is Marshall Law. Both JFK and Trump are doing very important work. Saving lives is important, right?

 

[WVPATX]

Better start on that northern wall while we're at it too

We don't have nearly the issues on our northern border as we do our southern. But if we did, I would be with you. We need to focus on real problems, not imaginary ones.

 

[WVPATX]

I said it's the basis for his initiating the action, and if the elected Governor of Illinois wants to ask for federal help, then its fine with me.

And I advocate for States rights with regard to abortion law (gay marriage shouldn't even be an issue - although I don't care if churches refuse to marry). Stop thinking you have every liberal figured out....O'Rielly

You're intellectually inconsistent. The law does not require the governor ask for help. Wallace certainly did not. When JFK sent in the guard, that was fine with you because you support as do I, desecrated schools. Trump MAY send in the guard to save lives and you oppose it. I can only conclude your intellectually inconsistent.

 

[bornaneer]

HAHAHAHA.

African Americans aren't going to vote GOP. Look around at all the racism following Trump. The skinheads, neo-Nazis and KKK have come crawling out of the woodwork in masses.

I'm pretty sure some do AND where did I say that ALL would switch. What are you afraid of. ANY gains are a plus for the GOP.

 

[WVPATX]

Democrat racist...that always gets missed.

So was Bull Conner, Lester Maddox, J. William Fullbright (Clinton's mentor) and Robert Byrd.(Former Dem Senate Majority leader)
All DEMOCRATS.

He claimed Trump was imposing Marshall Law if he sent in the guard. But makes no such claim when Dems send in the Guard. Wonder why?

He stated that only in a crisis should the Guard be sent in, to which I agree. But to claim that the thousands shot per year in Chicago is not a crisis is to ignore reality. Amazing.

 

[Boomboom521]

You're intellectually inconsistent. The law does not require the governor ask for help. Wallace certainly did not. When JFK sent in the guard, that was fine with you because you support as do I, desecrated schools. Trump MAY send in the guard to save lives and you oppose it. I can only conclude your intellectually inconsistent.

First: I didn't say it was Marshall law, I asked if you would be willing to accept Marshall law.

Second: "intellectually inconsistent"? Because I think that JFK sending in the guard to enforce a federal law that the State governor refused to allow is different from Trump sending federal (agents, soldiers ??) into a city because he declares it necessary? It's not a law (so don't get crazy), but if the governor asked...I'd have no problem. Otherwise, I am not a fan of President Trump (or any other President) making the determination that federal forces be used to circumvent state agencies or officials.

 

[WVPATX]

First: I didn't say it was Marshall law, I asked if you would be willing to accept Marshall law.

Second: "intellectually inconsistent"? Because I think that JFK sending in the guard to enforce a federal law that the State governor refused to allow is different from Trump sending federal (agents, soldiers ??) into a city because he declares it necessary? It's not a law (so don't get crazy), but if the governor asked...I'd have no problem. Otherwise, I am not a fan of President Trump (or any other President) making the determination that federal forces be used to circumvent state agencies or officials.

A distinction without a difference. You implied Marshall Law if Trump sent in the Guard. Ridiculous. And the President does not have to ask permission to help in Chicago (even though Emanuel wants his help). People are dying in record numbers. It is a crisis. And you only oppose this because it is Trump and the GOP doing it. If Obama did it, you would applaud.

BTW, Trump is enforcing a federal law. Illegal possession of a gun is a federal crime. FEDERAL.

 

[Boomboom521]

A distinction without a difference. You implied Marshall Law if Trump sent in the Guard. Ridiculous. And the President does not have to ask permission to help in Chicago (even though Emanuel wants his help). People are dying in record numbers. It is a crisis. And you only oppose this because it is Trump and the GOP doing it. If Obama did it, you would applaud.

BTW, Trump is enforcing a federal law. Illegal possession of a gun is a federal crime. FEDERAL.

You just gloss over almost everything don't you? If it doesn't fit your agenda, you throw it out.

I said I'd have a problem if ANY President seeks to use the powers of the oval to circumvent the powers of the states. People are dying in other cities too, does President Trump go into those cities too. I'm well aware the a President doesn't need permission to send in federal help (I said that as well). I said if a Governor asked for help, it would be ok with me.

Also, refusing to honor a federal FEDERAL law as governor that prevented American citizens from equal education was a very justified reason for using federal force (I don't care if it was Nixon that did it). Using federal FEDERAL crime as a justification for using federal force as directed by the President and overruling the law enforcement of the State is wrong, unless requested by the Governor.

You're ok with it, because it's Trump.