Trying to comb through the stats to see what the big difference between us and UF was.

gravedigger

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And amazingly, they should have kicked our ***. When a team gets 12 second chance points on you and outscores you by 10 in that category, youd better have some stat to offset it. I searched for that stat and could find only one.

Of the players with the most minutes, the top 2 scorers on their team scored 23 and 19. Our top two scored 17 and 15. That is also a 10 pt deficit. But our NEXT three scored 12,10 and 10. Their next three scored 10,6 and 5.

What it amounts to is that our role players contributed better than theirs.

Sorry, I dont buy it was coaching. Something inside Kodi, Ravern, and Bost just turned on due to the tournament. Jarvis and Barry do this every year.

The reason UF was able to make it close in my opinion is that Phil Turner didnt have a good game. Had he used his 20 minutes to rebound better, or hit a couple shots, or even just to put some added pressure on a ball handler, their runs would have been less.

All in all, I think we are seeing a team, with good enough talent to play in the NCAA's but that isnt coached well enough to eliminate the doubt of reaching the big tournament before the SEC tournament most years.

Can we do better in finding a better coach? I'm not so sure. We would probably trade quality of recruiting forcourt coaching. Stans can recruit, but without the savy to hire a good assistant who can court coach, Stans has defined the 'peter principle'.
 

VegasDawg13

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We've got it. It's been that way for a while now.
 

AtlantaBulldog

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Lose: Stans is a terrible coach...
Win: The players ignored Stans and just 'did their own thing'...

Why do we have a coach at all?

Hey, when Stans does a bad job, criticize all you want. When Stans does well, give him some credit...
 
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The only criticism I have for the game is that he went into his run clock offense way too soon and thats when UF made their run.

The double team on defense was a great call. That also makes them have to pay more attention and be more active on D.

I thought in the first half and for the first part of the second half they moved the ball around and were patient on shot selection until they went into that stall offense. Lots of movement on offense last night.
 

DowntownDawg

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When we shoot it like that, we are tough to beat. Hope we can stay hot today.
 

TilloDawg

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in the last 3 games....combined. There's where the difference is...
 

gravedigger

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When we lose, stansbury doesnt turn the ball over, miss free throws, blah, blah blah.

Just inductive reasoning when the person trying to make the point is accused of coming to a conclusion and then just gathering only those facts that support it. If it makes you feel better to think that's what I was doing then good for you. Glad you feel better. But it isnt.

No. I'm not one who constantly makes an argument that it's all Stans fault. I just looked at the stats from the game and we led this game by a good amount for most of it and you couldnt tell in the stats. The difference in field goal percentage wasntenough to account for the point differential most of the game. The difference in number of three pointers made wasnt. Fouls, foul trouble for key players. None of that. The only thing thing that was in our favor was the way 3 players contributed as opposed to their "next 3".

Augustus
Johnson
Bost

Now if the reason we won IS coaching, perhaps you could explain why we have the talent we do, and **** the bed as often as we do against weak teams.

Stans has actually seemed tocoach SOME good games this year. But not often enough to think that he really is improving.

This game, we had some senior leadership step up and some players followed that lead. This has been the montra since day one. But the reason we have seeminly hit a wall with success cannot be attributed to talent. It cannot be attributed to dumb luck or how great the SEC is or isnt. It is because we are simply very 'streaky'. That's another way of saying shooting percentage, or 'off night' and why everyone cries about Stans lack of offensive coaching. But offense isnt the reason we really stink. Offense isnt the difference in the success Richard Williams had vs Rick Stansbury. It's defense. And defense is coaching EVERY night. Offense can be about hot hands, but defense is a choice. About 2 players really focus on defense. The reason the other 3 dont? Coaching.

If oursuccess in tournaments had something to do with coaching, we wouldnt be losing the games to Rider and Wester Kentucky, Alabama in the regular season. Strong schedules wont cure our problems.

No, if we are going to improve, Stansbury is going to have to focus more on coaching effort on defense and quit relying on Jarvis to block everything inside and Stewart to shut down every great scorer they have.

****edited to clarify the difference in what these oversensitive *** clowns accused me of, and what I was actually pointing out.
 

DowntownDawg

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....they were important last night.
 

AlCoDog

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Other than the great pass to JV on the break, I thought Phil looked awful last night. Much to nonchalant with the ball. However I thought Osby was great, and Riley was good. Much better than usual. I hope Phil breaks out of this funk he has been in since his his pouting episode.
 

bierto

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You can take shots at stansbury for a lot of things, like his perpetual motion offense, his growing list of players who are cancers and transfers, the uninspired play of the team on senior night, his 0 and whatever record against the top 25 rpi teams; but to say his defense is the biggest reason we dont have next level success is absolutely ludicrous. I dont have the stats in front of me but it seems that themajority of the years he has been here we have been in the top3 in the sec in points against, and opponents field goal percentage. This year we are 11th in the country in field goal percentage allowed and first in the SEC in points per game allowed. I dont see how you can question the defensive ability of a stansbury coached team.</p>
 

VegasDawg13

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Because the point is, you started a thread to essentially say, "Yeah we won, but Stansbury had nothing to do with it."

If someone had made a "WHERE ARE ALL THE STANS HATERS NOW?!?!" type post and you responded by saying that you didn't think our win was linked directly to anything he did, I really wouldn't have had any problem with it. But you had to go out of your way to discredit Stansbury after a big win. It's ridiculous, annoying, and old.
 

gravedigger

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the opposing team needs to make up ground. We just dont actively try to put pressure back on them and make it difficult to score.

Richard Williams coached teams perplexed me for years for this until I was pointed out why. HE pulled seemingly hot offensive players all the time. The reason was they werent playing well defensively.

Rick never seems to do this. But I will admit we have had decent defensive stats. But when we lose the games we arent supposed to, it isnt simply because the shots arent falling. The defensive effort is not just lacking, it's non existant.

I'll conceed that games like the Auburn game at Auburn would not fall into the category. THe real tell tale is that the best teams put pressure on other teams to climb back into games, erase deficits and hold onto victory at the end.

We rely on 3 pt shooting, and milking the clock.
 

gravedigger

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Like I said, if you need me to be some perpetual stans hater to make you think I would have made the stats fit that way great. Makes you not have to worry about responding.

Which is convenient. </p>
 

RonnyAtmosphere

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What it amounts to is that our role players contributed better than theirs.

Sorry, I dont buy it was coaching. Something inside Kodi, Ravern, and Bost just turned on due to the tournament. Jarvis and Barry do this every year.


If the MSU football team goes 9-3 this fall, I am going to come here & say: "Sorry, I don't buy it was coaching. Something inside, Relf, Bumphis & the defense just turned it on due to it being a down year in the SEC. This happens about once a decade with MSU football."

And all you idiots with a gay crush on Mullen...I want you all to STFU when I say this.
 

VegasDawg13

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Arguing with someone who is so, so wrong about something is a waste of time.

I didn't claim you twisted any stats. I said you made a thread to discredit Stansbury after a big win, which is, again, annoying and old.
 

bullysleftnut

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we scored 6 more points than Florida in the allotted 40 minutes.