TUSK asks the 6pack... (re: BCSCG)....
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As Colin Cowherd pointed out on Monday.Throw away the game between Bama and LSU and you have 20 games left. 20 blowouts in 20 games.Oklahoma St. lost to Iowa St. and had real close calls with Kansas St. & Texas A&M.Cowherd said he talked to some of the bookies in Vegas and they all said that Bama is the only team in the country LSU wouldn't be favored to beat by more than a touchdown.
Everyone knows Bama isthe second best team in the country, or even #1b. I want the Championship Game to be LSU vs Okie St. LSU will win hands down, not even a question in my mind. I want Bama to play whoever is next in line. Va. Tech/Oregon/etc... they will win hands down.
LSU ends up the undisputed #1 team in the country.
Bama ends up the undisputed #2 team in the country. (only fair for losing at home, losing must have consequences)
Arky ends up the undisputed #3 team in the country. (assuming they win their bowl and don't choke again).
That way the SEC ends up with undisputed 1,2,3 ranked teams in the country. Hopefully So. Car can win their bowl and get in the top ten. Georgia will get run out of the Ga. Dome tomorrow so even if they win their Bowl game I doubt they can get back into the top ten. I want the country to have to look at the top 3 teams and 4 out of the top 10 from the SEC and let fester all offseason.
LSU ends up the undisputed #1 team in the country.
Bama ends up the undisputed #2 team in the country. (only fair for losing at home, losing must have consequences)
Arky ends up the undisputed #3 team in the country. (assuming they win their bowl and don't choke again).
That way the SEC ends up with undisputed 1,2,3 ranked teams in the country. Hopefully So. Car can win their bowl and get in the top ten. Georgia will get run out of the Ga. Dome tomorrow so even if they win their Bowl game I doubt they can get back into the top ten. I want the country to have to look at the top 3 teams and 4 out of the top 10 from the SEC and let fester all offseason.
Bama had their chance- it's Oklahoma State's or Virginia Tech's turn<div>
</div><div>If you have a rematch, and the unlikely chance that Bammer wins- it makes it 1-1 and there is still no clear champ</div><div>
</div><div>LSU beats Oklahoma St or Virginia Tech- clearly defined champ</div>
</div><div>If you have a rematch, and the unlikely chance that Bammer wins- it makes it 1-1 and there is still no clear champ</div><div>
</div><div>LSU beats Oklahoma St or Virginia Tech- clearly defined champ</div>
Houston. It's the only match up that can prove something that hasn't been proven. It has been proven that Alabama can be beat. It has been proven that Oklahoma State can be beat.
It has not been proven that LSU can be beat. It has not been proven that Houston can be beat.
It has not been proven that LSU can be beat. It has not been proven that Houston can be beat.
Bama is obviously the #2 team in the country. I pickedBama to win the first time around, and they blew it. But, right now, in college football the regular season is the playoffs. Bama lost to LSU on the field. Now someone else deserves a shot. People scream that they want a playoff in college football, but this is what will happen. The two best teams won't always play each other for the championship (sometimes because they will meet before the finals), but it will be decided on the field.
Bama vs. LSUwould be the best game (either team would destroy any other potential challengers), but that doesn't (shouldn't) matter.
Bama vs. LSUwould be the best game (either team would destroy any other potential challengers), but that doesn't (shouldn't) matter.
there's lots of ways to look at it:<div>
</div><div>[list type=decimal][*]If Bama gets in, the BCS has done what it was designed to do: put the two best teams (read #1 & #2) in the BCSCG. I don't think anyone believes there is another team in the league of Bama/LSU.[*]Bama lost to LSU... At Home. While true, they (Bama) sure didn't give up a 17 point lead to Iowa State or get hammered by a Pac Ten team that got sull drug by LSU. Using the "you had your shot, it's time to give someone else a chance" reeks of Obama/welfare stat-ism. (if that's a word)... The best teams should play IMO>[*]The SEC is down.... While it may be down some, I think those that say the Big 12 is better are incorrect... OK state has a great offense, sure, but if they were in the SECW they'd probably go 4-4 in the conference... Kansas State is a fraud.[*]You should have to win your conference to play for the NC... this one is really stupid. So, a CUSA champ would have automatic preference over an SEC #2... or Big 12 #2.... that's just myopic.[/list]<div>There's only a whisker's difference between these two teams... and both are great... those they don't want to see them play again are either LSU homers or don't like great defenses....</div></div>
</div><div>[list type=decimal][*]If Bama gets in, the BCS has done what it was designed to do: put the two best teams (read #1 & #2) in the BCSCG. I don't think anyone believes there is another team in the league of Bama/LSU.[*]Bama lost to LSU... At Home. While true, they (Bama) sure didn't give up a 17 point lead to Iowa State or get hammered by a Pac Ten team that got sull drug by LSU. Using the "you had your shot, it's time to give someone else a chance" reeks of Obama/welfare stat-ism. (if that's a word)... The best teams should play IMO>[*]The SEC is down.... While it may be down some, I think those that say the Big 12 is better are incorrect... OK state has a great offense, sure, but if they were in the SECW they'd probably go 4-4 in the conference... Kansas State is a fraud.[*]You should have to win your conference to play for the NC... this one is really stupid. So, a CUSA champ would have automatic preference over an SEC #2... or Big 12 #2.... that's just myopic.[/list]<div>There's only a whisker's difference between these two teams... and both are great... those they don't want to see them play again are either LSU homers or don't like great defenses....</div></div>
there's lots of ways to look at it:<div>
</div><div>[list type=decimal][*]If Bama gets in, the BCS has done what it was designed to do: put the two best teams (read #1 & #2) in the BCSCG. I don't think anyone believes there is another team in the league of Bama/LSU.[*]Bama lost to LSU... At Home. While true, they (Bama) sure didn't give up a 17 point lead to Iowa State or get hammered by a Pac Ten team that got sull drug by LSU. Using the "you had your shot, it's time to give someone else a chance" reeks of Obama/welfare stat-ism. (if that's a word)... The best teams should play IMO>[*]The SEC is down.... While it may be down some, I think those that say the Big 12 is better are incorrect... OK state has a great offense, sure, but if they were in the SECW they'd probably go 4-4 in the conference... Kansas State is a fraud.[*]You should have to win your conference to play for the NC... this one is really stupid. So, a CUSA champ would have automatic preference over an SEC #2... or Big 12 #2.... that's just myopic.[/list]<div>There's only a whisker's difference between these two teams... and both are great... those they don't want to see them play again are either LSU homers or don't like great defenses....</div></div>
</div><div>[list type=decimal][*]If Bama gets in, the BCS has done what it was designed to do: put the two best teams (read #1 & #2) in the BCSCG. I don't think anyone believes there is another team in the league of Bama/LSU.[*]Bama lost to LSU... At Home. While true, they (Bama) sure didn't give up a 17 point lead to Iowa State or get hammered by a Pac Ten team that got sull drug by LSU. Using the "you had your shot, it's time to give someone else a chance" reeks of Obama/welfare stat-ism. (if that's a word)... The best teams should play IMO>[*]The SEC is down.... While it may be down some, I think those that say the Big 12 is better are incorrect... OK state has a great offense, sure, but if they were in the SECW they'd probably go 4-4 in the conference... Kansas State is a fraud.[*]You should have to win your conference to play for the NC... this one is really stupid. So, a CUSA champ would have automatic preference over an SEC #2... or Big 12 #2.... that's just myopic.[/list]<div>There's only a whisker's difference between these two teams... and both are great... those they don't want to see them play again are either LSU homers or don't like great defenses....</div></div>
It would be cool for two of the lower bowls played in Mid to lateDecember all of sudden decided to to make a deal this year with the 4 best(, LSU, Bama, OK St and Stanford for example) and let the winners play in the last game. Is there some current rule against it?Cant play more than 14 games?Big TV money would allow the lower bowlsto buy out any previous conference tie ins if it was a problem. Of course it may screw a 6-6 team out of a bowl....but it would be a huge payday for two December bowls.
The SEC is down....
Hell they were 1,2,3 in both polls after we played Arky.
Now the SEC East is not one of those three, but don't come across with that weak ****.
Hell they were 1,2,3 in both polls after we played Arky.
Now the SEC East is not one of those three, but don't come across with that weak ****.
Alabama is clearer as good if not better than LSU. In a rematch I think they win going away, actually as they looked better in the game vs. LSU (and us), but had bad breaks and a ****** FG kicker. Bama is clearly 1 or 2 in the country. If the BCS is for the best 2 teams then it HAS to be LSU vs. Bama.
<div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">If you have a rematch, and the unlikely chance that Bammer wins- it makes it 1-1 and there is still no clear champ</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">LSU beats Oklahoma St or Virginia Tech- clearly defined champ</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
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</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">The BCS is there to get a clearly defined champ- NOT to pairthe 2 best teams as Bammer fans would have you believe.</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">If Bammer gets the rematch and wins by 3 or 4- what have we settled?</div>
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</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">The BCS is there to get a clearly defined champ- NOT to pairthe 2 best teams as Bammer fans would have you believe.</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">If Bammer gets the rematch and wins by 3 or 4- what have we settled?</div>
the BCS is in place to get a clearly defined champion.<div>
</div><div>LSU eliminated Bama</div><div>LSU eliminated Oregon</div><div>
</div><div>It's time for Oklahoma St or Virginia Tech to get a shot. - LSU beats them- clearly defined champ</div><div>
</div><div>But should there be a rematch, and Bama wins by 3-7- nothing has been decided- no clearly defined champ- chaos.</div><div>
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</div><div>LSU eliminated Bama</div><div>LSU eliminated Oregon</div><div>
</div><div>It's time for Oklahoma St or Virginia Tech to get a shot. - LSU beats them- clearly defined champ</div><div>
</div><div>But should there be a rematch, and Bama wins by 3-7- nothing has been decided- no clearly defined champ- chaos.</div><div>
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and I think it should be Ok State.
they got the same record as bama and they have a Conf Championship to go with it... I didn't say a CUSA champ should play... but a AQ championship is different
i agree Bama is the 2nd best team in the nation, they already had their chance and lost at home
the Pac10 already had their chance and lost in Dallas
why not let the Big12 have a shot
if Okie state beats oklahoma they will jump bama ...but they aren't going to win so it is really no point in discussing this.
they got the same record as bama and they have a Conf Championship to go with it... I didn't say a CUSA champ should play... but a AQ championship is different
i agree Bama is the 2nd best team in the nation, they already had their chance and lost at home
the Pac10 already had their chance and lost in Dallas
why not let the Big12 have a shot
if Okie state beats oklahoma they will jump bama ...but they aren't going to win so it is really no point in discussing this.
I was stating other peoples reasons.... playing devils advocate... i think the conference is pretty damn strong...<div>
</div><div>I did a poor job of conveying my thoughts....</div>
</div><div>I did a poor job of conveying my thoughts....</div>
That's what I can't understand. Who gives a **** if "they deserve a chance too". Of course they do. That's why we need a playoff, but we don't have one. We have the BCS which pits 1 vs. 2. LSU and Bama are HEADS AND SHOULDERS above even the closest at 3 (which is even debateable if it's Okie St.)
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 40); font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">It is designed to ensure that the two top-rated teams in the country meet in the national championship game....</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 40); font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 40); font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">that's the quote... and the only way Bama won't be there is if voters collude to avoid a rematch do to SEC bias.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 40); font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 40); font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">is it fair that LSU will have to play an extra game and Beat Bama twice? no... is that Bama's fault? no</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 40); font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 40); font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">If Okie State protects a (nearly) 3 TD lead over a horrible ISU team, we wouldn't be having this conversation... LSU only has Okla State to blame...</span></div>
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 40); font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">that's the quote... and the only way Bama won't be there is if voters collude to avoid a rematch do to SEC bias.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 40); font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 40); font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">is it fair that LSU will have to play an extra game and Beat Bama twice? no... is that Bama's fault? no</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 40); font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 40); font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">If Okie State protects a (nearly) 3 TD lead over a horrible ISU team, we wouldn't be having this conversation... LSU only has Okla State to blame...</span></div>
Coach34 said:
The BCS exists to pair the top two teams in the country in the championship game.
From their own website:
The website is here: http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4809716
For anyone saying Bama had their chance, well so did Oklahoma State, and Virginia Tech and Boise and Stanford and anybody else - they all lost. The only difference is that none of them lost to as good of a team as Bama lost to.
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">"For anyone saying Bama had their chance, well so did Oklahoma State, and Virginia Tech and Boise and Stanford and anybody else - they all lost. The only difference is that none of them lost to as good of a team as Bama lost to."</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
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</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">no they didnt- they have just 1 loss like Bama does...Hell, Boise beat a team that is in the SEC title game- a game Bama couldnt even get to....VT lost to a ranked team...</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">a rematch is just wrong and settles nothing if Bama wins by 7 or less- LSU would deserve to get game 3 in Baton Rouge</span></div>
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</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">no they didnt- they have just 1 loss like Bama does...Hell, Boise beat a team that is in the SEC title game- a game Bama couldnt even get to....VT lost to a ranked team...</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">a rematch is just wrong and settles nothing if Bama wins by 7 or less- LSU would deserve to get game 3 in Baton Rouge</span></div>
if the roles were exactly reversed and LSU got "bumped" for a shittier team, you would stroke out and I would be bitchin' about having to play LSU again... but only because of the risk of potential loss. I would want to play OK ST, too... it's a guaranteed NC...<div>
</div><div>oh, and once again, you're wrong about the mission of the BCS.</div>
</div><div>oh, and once again, you're wrong about the mission of the BCS.</div>
in order to challenge my opinion. And it's just that, an opinion.
If we're stuck without a real playoff, my opinion is that I want to at least see the top two teams in the country in the two-team playoff that is the BCS title game. If it happens to be two teams that have already played each other, then so be it. I for one hope for the rematch and hope Bama wins because it might push us one step closer to a multi-team playoff.
As for the facts: As it stands right now, the top two teams in the country according to the BCS rankings are LSU and Bama. Therefore it is the stated goal of the BCS that those two teams should play for the national championship. The fact that they have already played once this season is coincidental.
If we're stuck without a real playoff, my opinion is that I want to at least see the top two teams in the country in the two-team playoff that is the BCS title game. If it happens to be two teams that have already played each other, then so be it. I for one hope for the rematch and hope Bama wins because it might push us one step closer to a multi-team playoff.
As for the facts: As it stands right now, the top two teams in the country according to the BCS rankings are LSU and Bama. Therefore it is the stated goal of the BCS that those two teams should play for the national championship. The fact that they have already played once this season is coincidental.
and I don't blame him, I wouldn't want to play the best (other) team in the country a second time, either...<div>
</div><div>but C34 is incapable at admitting error.</div>
</div><div>but C34 is incapable at admitting error.</div>