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TUSK.sixpack

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I've not been able to glean much re: MSU (this year due to work schedule)...

I know yall's 2ndary is badass, and Cam Lawrence is really active at LB... what bout the DL, other LBs and depth... what (if any) is the "weakness" of MSU's D?
 

missouridawg

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I've not been able to glean much re: MSU (this year due to work schedule)...

I know yall's 2ndary is badass, and Cam Lawrence is really active at LB... what bout the DL, other LBs and depth... what (if any) is the "weakness" of MSU's D?

Right now, it appears we still have trouble pressuring the QB without blitzes. But that could also be due to playing teams who get the ball out of the QBs hands quickly.
 

War Machine Dawg

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Our D is very, very solid. As you point out, our secondary is among the elite in the country. Cam is the QB of the defense and is having his usual solid season. Matt Wells might be the most improved player on D. He's looked nasty so far. Deontae Skinner picked up where he left off.

DL has had some problems generating consistent pressure, but I love the talent of that group. As Mizzou pointed out, some of the pressure issues are likely due to us playing a lot of teams with quick passing games so far.

What I like most about the D is our depth. We're essentially playing 2 whole defensive units. I think we're legitimately 6-8 deep at DT. We don't have a big dropoff from first to second string at LB. Secondary has some good looking young guys like Jamerson Love and Ced Jiles. Honestly, when we stop playing the ****** Cover 2 that we've played in non-con so far, we're going to be hell on opposing offenses. We can do a lot of different things thanks to our secondary and depth.
 

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We will probably start playing Real Defense this weekend.

We'll run our SEC gameplan like we did against Auburn. I think we have somehting like 17 Tackles for loss and 9 from the Auburn game. We've been rotating a rediculous amount of players playing these powder puff teams. We've been subbing out the entire DL units, against USA we played the entire 2nd team for most of the 4th quarter. These newbies are just getting their feet wet so the defense is limited in it's play calling since most of these guys don't know the whole package.

DL, stacked full 2 deep. Autry hasn't shown he's an elite rush DE yet though. I hear we get Pj Jones back this weekend so depth is getting better.

LB, stacked but 2nd string is a drop off. Matt Wells is our new hybrid TE killer. He basically shut down Lutz during the Auburn game.

DB, aka Precinct 913. House of pain. Reason why we lead the nation in takeaways. Broomfield and Banks are both tied for 3rd in nation for career pick sixes. Slay and Banks are top 3 for INT's this year.
 

War Machine Dawg

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I'd be shocked if we don't use the non-con gameplan this weekend. UK is 17ing terrible and will be using a couple of freshmen QBs. It'll drive us crazy, but UK doesn't justify using the SEC gameplan, imo. But in 2 weeks, the hounds will be unleashed.
 

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Might I add that we've been....

Right now, it appears we still have trouble pressuring the QB without blitzes. But that could also be due to playing teams who get the ball out of the QBs hands quickly.

Using a straight upfield, Jr High, 4 man rush. No stunting or complicated design rushes, that we used a few times during Auburn game.

If you listen to any coaches or players, they looked at the first 4 as preseason warmups and showed 0.075% of who we are and what we do. They took the AU game more serious but the other 3 were glorofied scrimmages. No screen passes, hardly any delayed handoffs, no quick hit passes, TE non existent except for AU! I could go on and on, but I believe you see the point.
 

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We'll run our SEC gameplan like we did against Auburn. I think we have somehting like 17 Tackles for loss and 9 from the Auburn game. We've been rotating a rediculous amount of players playing these powder puff teams. We've been subbing out the entire DL units, against USA we played the entire 2nd team for most of the 4th quarter. These newbies are just getting their feet wet so the defense is limited in it's play calling since most of these guys don't know the whole package.

I watched the auburn game again last night. our defense made Frazier look like a deer in a headlights. It was like he had nowhere to throw it, and blake was never open. I know he is not awesome, but he looked a lot better against every other team they have played. Is frazier any > than mettenberger, not so sure? Frazier hit clemson with some big ones. he looked better against LSU's defense than us. They couldn't throw it or run it. Auburn may be schematically bad, but they have tons of talent.

Eva I like the 'House of Pain" reference. Maybe that is the DL mantra when our front gets nasty with folks.
 
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TUSK.sixpack

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curious... how does the "SEC gameplan" differ from the "NON CON gameplan"...?

yall run a lot of trick plays, hurry-up, spread, what?
 

AROB44

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We have no intention of divulging our secrets to a Bammer !!!! Nice try though.
 

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curious... how does the "SEC gameplan" differ from the "NON CON gameplan"...?

yall run a lot of trick plays, hurry-up, spread, what?

Super vanilla. The DL doesn't stunt, slant, or anything. Little or no blitzing. Soft cover 2 zone. Use lots of backups..
 

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Our defense is better than most but it isnt overbearing right now. It basically does what Bama's did in the OM game. It waits back (often too far back) on the offense to get too greedy. We've done that for a number of reasons. The main one is to prevent big plays from allowing teams back into ballgames we have the lead in. Possibly the better benefit is to get younger players time in these 1st four games. The best evidence that we are better than we played in the last 2 is that in the Auburn game, when we couldnt afford to allow them to breath, we didnt. Our defense destroyed them. They kicked a field goal and returned a kickoff. Outside of that, and a drive during the last minutes down by 3 scores and our backups in, they didnt move the ball for ****. I think, unless we are playing a top 20 offense, our defense will do that every week for the rest of the season.

NOW as to why. Our defensive line is pretty good. They do not get to the qb as much as our fans would like, but then again they are left to fight 5 linemen most of the time and our linebackers cover receivers and lay back to avoid big plays. Cam Lawrence is pretty good at lb, but Deonte Skinner is a mutha 17ing monster. On the DL, Autry is ready now for the nfl. Our other LB's are damn good too. We play 6-8 a game and will continue to no matter the score.

I'll put our Defensive Backfield against anyone's in the country. They, again, are playing back to prevent homerun balls. You are familiar with this. Bama essentially decided to do the same thing to prevent OM's only chance at scoring on a big play by doubling Moncreif. That is what we are doing now.

My gushing homerism notwithstanding, you really wont know if our defense is really a nationally ranked group until we face down UT, Bama, and A & M. Those 3 will tell the world whether we are legimate top 15 or just another team trying to get into the best bowl they can.
 

TUSK.sixpack

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roger that and thanks... I kinda think that's Bama's gameplan all the time... they are boooooring, but in a good way, I guess.
 

TUSK.sixpack

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I'll be interested to see if our young receivers can get away from yall's corners... and if Millner is matched up with Bumphis that will be fun to watch as well.

Mostly I expect Bama to go all 4 yards and a cloud of dust and occasionally flip it to a TE or RB... oh, and kick 19 FGs...
 

Spanky.sixpack

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Big Quay and Nick James will be the best DL in the SEC....

....the next two years. Add P.J., Eulls and a second year Autry to that and we'll be nasty. Need to develop some DE for the future.

As for this year, Boyd is pretty good but the DL is a work in progress to me. Autry will have a coming out party next year like McPhee did his Sr. year.
 

gravedigger

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Our receivers probably wont be able to, one on one, get away from your corners. But that wont be why we have success in passing or not. If we hvae success in passing it will be because Tyler reads your defense correctly and quicly moves the ball outside to the receiver that has the best cushion or matchup (LB). After doing that, he's got to use the tight end and catch bama sleeping on the defensive line to sustain drives.

NOW all of that wont make one damn bit of difference if we dont win the turnover battle and at least end up even in the special teams play.

Fact is, you have to match or beat bama in EVERY facit of the game to have a CHANCE at winning. I think we have that chance. It's not that great, but I'd say it's better than most. Considering the game is in Tuscaloosa, that is all I think our fanbase can expect.

ETA: Your young receivers and our experienced DB's might be a mismatch and if that isnt respected by your qb it could present a problem, but I dont think Saban will let it. He'll mix up the offense and keep us from overcommitting to either to mitigate our power on the DL, or make us stack the box and mitigate our talent in the backfield.


I reserve the right to be absolutely wrong about us, but I think MSU Bama is a nice matchup of old school offense vs very talented and experienced, speed defense.

If I were a betting man, and because I'm 45, I still say in the end, old school wins. But not by much.
 
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TUSK.sixpack

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RE: Sustained drives for TDs vs Bammer...

I'm kind of a stats geek so I did some research to help with "picking" games... This really surprised me:

the Alabama defense hasn't given up a "meaningful" touchdown on a "drive" that didn't have at least one explosive play since the 1st half of the Arkansas game in 2011...

hopefully they can continue that type performance... and you're right, yall will def need to win the TO battle.