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Tyler Russell - what's a good year for him statistically?...

dawgstudent

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Please take this into consideration - our records as far as QB's are:

Most TD - 16 (Taite)
Most Yds - 2422 (Marler)
Most YPG - 220.18 (Marler)
Completion % - 58.8 (Tyson Lee)

So for me - if he goes for 1800 yds, 14 TD with single digit INT - I consider it a success. If he could add about 250 rushing yards - that would be great.
 
dawgstudent

dawgstudent

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Please take this into consideration - our records as far as QB's are:

Most TD - 16 (Taite)
Most Yds - 2422 (Marler)
Most YPG - 220.18 (Marler)
Completion % - 58.8 (Tyson Lee)

So for me - if he goes for 1800 yds, 14 TD with single digit INT - I consider it a success. If he could add about 250 rushing yards - that would be great.
 
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Coach34

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a broken TD record unless Dak takes over the red zone offense

The other 3 will be close....I think he will be in the 200-215 ypg area- so the yardage record could come down...and he will flirt with the ypg record...the completion percentage has to be there for him to have any kind of decent season- I think Perkins will have a big hand in helping that.

So, I PREDICT and EXPECT the TD record to fall- the other 3 should be close
 
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SheltonChoked

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Assuming our OL gives him time and does not look like the Kevin Fant OL

Most TD - 16 (Taite) Over (My guess is 25)
Most Yds - 2422 (Marler) Over (2800)
Most YPG - 220.18 (Marler) Over (233)
Completion % - 58.8 (Tyson Lee) Over (61%)
 
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Sutterkane

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Relf was on track to beat that last year until he couldn't run anymore, so nobody had to respect his wheels.
 
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the yardage record broken. With 13 games, Tyler would have to average only 185+ yards per game. With the 4 non-conference foes we are playing, I would hope that he tops that mark.


And, yes, 8+ season wins + a nice bowl win would also be great.
 
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boatsnhoes

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that there are 1,000 variables to a football season success. I just keep thinking the better his TD/Int ratio is the better we're going to be.If we score points and don't turn the ball over I just can't see our defense giving up that many points. So goes Russell so goes us. If he is good with the ball it opens up all kinds of possibilities with the running game--->then you can control/eat clock---->dominating TOP---->less reps defensively--->less opportunities for opponent to score---->wins wins wins

Most TD - 16 (Taite) OVER 22
Most Yds - 2422 (Marler) OVER 2600
Most YPG - 220.18 (Marler) UNDER 210 per game
Completion % - 58.8 (Tyson Lee) UNDER 55%
 
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CadaverDawg

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If Tyler can't knock Taite and Lee off of their perches, my guess is we are jinxed and it will never happen.

That being said... I like Tyler to throw for about 18 TD's, 2300 yds, 190 yds/game, and complete 60% ....meaning he would break 2 of those records. Wild guess
 
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SheltonChoked

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but I do not post much.

I created the username minutes after the 2004 MSU Alabama game where Ernest Shelton missed 2 free throws in the last seconds of the game that would have put Alabama up 2 points. Thus, SheltonChoked.

Of course, the next year he scored 48 point by himself to beat us.
 
DawgNsuds

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based on last year's #'s.
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GM eff. cmp-att-int pct. yrds TD lng avg/gm
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Should have added that Relf had 10.
 
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dawgstudent said:
If he could add about 250 rushing yards - that would be great.
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I would be shocked if he gets anywhere close to 250 rushing yards. I think the coaches will be careful running Tyler much because of fear of injury. Also, he is a drop-back passer who will get sacked some, and sacks count as rushing yards.
 
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boatsnhoes

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revised 218*12 = 2616
218 per game puts him over the total yards mark and under the ypg mark. I can't be too wooly after last year.

MsState football usually = murphy's law and all.
 
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BigMotherTucker

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JackShephard

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and doesn't beat the TD and pass yards record. 20 TDs and about 2700-2900 yards should be easily doable in this offense if you count all 13 games. especially considering the numbers he "should" put up against JSU, MTSU, and USA. That should be an easy 800-900 yards and 6-10 TDs by itself. We are basically playing 2011 Memphis 3 times this year.
 
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RonnyAtmosphere

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..Marler had Marty Mcdole.


Russell has...crap.

I don't get why everybody keeps bitching about the OL when MSU has some of the most poorly coached WR's in the league.


As usual, MSU's crappy WR's will force MSU to run the ball, which will then force Russell to go to option read plays, which will then result in Russell getting the crap knocked out of him by a 245lb LB who didn't bite on the fake.


So when/if Russell gets injured, I realize this board will cast all its fury towards the OL, but the real culprit will be MSU's crappy WR's who will not allow us to mount a passing threat.
 
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Johnson85

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Unless we are really airing it out downfield, I don't see how he could have a successful year statistically and not break that. I would expect him to break at least one of the other records, but if he does it because he beats up on OOC opponents, not sure it matters. All that will matter is his efficiency in SEC games and the W-L record
 
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Coach34

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probably play the Tebow role in some form like they did in Fla back in day. Mullen loves the mobile QB and it would be the best way to get Dak experience without putting too much on his shoulders.
 
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JackShephard

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I don't see him taking very many meaningful snaps in real games this year. If we get some 14-21 point leads, I think we'll see him a good bit. I don't think he'll be coming in to run the zone read (or a red zone series)in a 14-14 game against Auburn. I would like to think that Mullen learned some lessons about that last year. I think that unless TR is injured or just starts struggling badly, then we won't see a lot of Dak in meaningful situations.
 
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I think we see noticeable improvement this year. First, we have 4 seniors in the two deep. We also got respectable production from Ricco Sanders and Robert Johnson at times last year. We have an unknown, but hopefully a competent deep threat in Morrow. We also saw in the spring that Lewis will get touches. Secondly, the schedule is MUCH easier. We couldn't move the ball in 4 games because we played 4 of the top 5 in total defense: LSU, Bama, South Carolina, and Georgia. We drop 2 of those, and the UT and A&M defenses will be nowhere near as talented. Lastly, we have a legitimate passing threat that will read the field. He may have limited time due to the OL, but he damn sure won't be sitting in the backfield waiting for 1 or 2 man routes to come open.
 
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Coach34

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Mullen doesnt mind playing multiple QB's- in fact, I think he likes it
Mullen loves a mobile QB
Mullen needs to get Dak experience

Too many people are judging Dak off a Spring Game in which he was zero threat to run the ball- as well as going against a defense that had faced him everyday in practice. People forget Tyler threw 3 picks in his 1st Spring Game- now everyone thinks he will break school records. And he played in almost every game his R-Fr year

I think Dak plays in all 12 games this season
 
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Coach34 said:
Mullen doesnt mind playing multiple QB's- in fact, I think he likes it
Mullen loves a mobile QB
Mullen needs to get Dak experience

Too many people are judging Dak off a Spring Game in which he was zero threat to run the ball- as well as going against a defense that had faced him everyday in practice. People forget Tyler threw 3 picks in his 1st Spring Game- now everyone thinks he will break school records. And he played in almost every game his R-Fr year

I think Dak plays in all 12 games this season
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I think coach is right in his assesment of Dak. I would be SHOCKED if Dak (barring injury) doesn't play in almost EVERY game. I'm not talking redzone situations either. Sometimes the best way to coach a kid is on the sideline allowing him to see IN GAME what to look for. Dak allows our staff to do this for Tyler.
 
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Todd4State

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I would say 20 TD passes and a 60% completion percentage would be my target goals. And have less than 10 INT's.


I think that's doable. Especially if he averages 3 TD passes against non-conference teams. That means he would have to average a TD a game per SEC game if my math is right. Plus, a bowl.

I think we have the receivers to do it too- Chris Smith, Bumphis, Arceto and now we have Joe Morrow. Not to mention our TE since we want to split hairs- Malcolm Johnson. And we'll see how Marcus Green and Brandon Hill fit in.
 
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JackShephard

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and my opinion is not a reflection on my thoughts about Dak or his talent level. I just get the feeling that this is "Tyler's team" and it's his turn. He's waited patiently. He's got the tools. We've tweaked the offense for him. I just think he gives us the best chance to win and we are going to be in a lot of close games this year. Protecting the ball and the ability to stretch the field may be the difference between 6-6 and 8-4 or 9-3 this year. If we play too much musical QB again, I would expect 6-6 again. Right now, I think you give Russell 80% (over 95% of the meaningful snaps) to give us the best chance at 8-4 or better.

If we're tied with Auburn or up or down 7 and we trot Dak out to start a series......watch out 6-6.
 
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dawgstudent said:
Please take this into consideration - our records as far as QB's are:

Most TD - 16 (Taite)
Most Yds - 2422 (Marler)
Most YPG - 220.18 (Marler)
Completion % - 58.8 (Tyson Lee)

So for me - if he goes for 1800 yds, 14 TD with single digit INT - I consider it a success. If he could add about 250 rushing yards - that would be great.
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I think it is completely reasonable in this day and age to think a QB of his talent, even at State, to top all those numbers. Maybe it's the wool talking, but with 13 games (assuming we don't completely fall apart and miss bowl season) I kinda think he will claim most of those records.
 
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Spanky.sixpack

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not to mentioned very experienced. Bumphis, Heavens, Clark, Smith.......alot of teams would love to have those 4 guys. Morrow is an unknown. <div>
</div><div>I think they will be a team strength.</div>
 
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Our starting WRs (Arceto, Bumphis, & Shmitty) are the best overall group that I can remember since Moulds (he solely trumps entire receiving corps). Not too mention some excellent talent & playmakers at TE (especially with Green back) and RB with Perkins. I honestly don't know much about the young TEs except the "sunshine" that is printed, but if Green is healthy/full-speed, then he and Perkins are legitimate home-run threats in the passing game.<div>
</div><div>As an MSU fan, I don't remember anytime in our history that a QB had as many potentially potent threats at all of the pass-catching positions. Hell, if we have had a better group in the past 20 years, I don't remember it cause we didn't have a QB (and/or OL) that could get the ball to them. Russell hasn't shown me **** for me to proclaim him a great QB yet, but at least I'm confident that he can get the ball out there by way of his arm with a serviceable OL, and Offensive/Spread minded coach.</div>
 
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