Typical Auburn spin....

[Dawgzilla]

Okay, I'm about fed up with this Scott Moore nonsense, but Philip Marshall has to weigh in with his typical Auburn perspective, i.e., "Auburn couldn't possibly have done anything wrong, and if the tapes do prove Auburn did something wrong, then MSU is in a lot of trouble!"

http://auburn.247sports.c...g-Here-we-go-again-16770

 

[DiligenceDawg]

Well clearly. The team that signed a player who was shopped around didn't do anything wrong.... But the team that lost him "because the money is too much" and then reported the event to the proper authorities is on the brink of the death penalty. I don't see any flawed logic here at all?

 

[BigMotherTucker]

Finebaum interviewed yesterday.

My post yesterday.

Its a little bit garbled because I was trying to post using my iPhone (which blows). But it was the same gist. "Nothing to see here, move along... Nothing to see here... Scott Moore did jail time... Scott Moore isn't to be trusted... But IF there are tapes then Mississippi State is going down... Mullen is evil for telling Newton that he will turn him in if he goes through with his play for pay plan..."

I wanted to call but didn't have time. My question is this: How is threatening to blow the whistle on a pay for play scheme a violation, but letting the kid play for your school AFTER the pay for play scheme was discussed is NOT a violation. To my knowledge the rules state that we were obligated to turn the situation in and Newton was to automatically be ruled ineligible (Rule 14.1.1.0.whatever point whatever point infinity)

I know all this has been covered ad nausium, but im sick and tired of us being thrown under the bus on this.

Bond:
If you have the ****, then turn it over man.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Or at least half of what he is saying. Sounds like to me he is in it for the ratings and is spewing anything to get attention.

But it's hard to follow the logic of these Auburn fans that think that somehow he came there clean and didn't have a money offer to play at Auburn after Mississippi State shunned them away. Looks like to me its a Grade A case of denial and delusion.

 

[BigMotherTucker]

and heard from Colin Cowherd once.

We offered Cam money and then he went to Auburn.

/Family</p>

 

[RebelBruiser]

The best logic I could come up with is that Cecil was out seeking money for his son's services. MSU turned him down but also turned him in. UT and Auburn both turned him down as well, and Cam went with his heart, which was at Auburn.

That's the best logic I could come up with, and if SEC teams really played clean in recruiting, it's plausible that a player could seek money, not get it, and then have to sign somewhere for free.

I think we all know better, but that's got to be the reasoning if you're an Auburn fan.

 

[BigMotherTucker]

If I was an Auburn fan this is EXACTLY what id be holding on to.

Buuuuuuut,
The facts contradict that. The fact that Newton told SI that he really wanted to play for Mullen at Miss State is one giant matzo ball that got laid out there early and cant be covered up. Also, he said the same thing during the season that if he had his choice he would have been at State. Also said that his heart will always be at Florida (probably somewhere near a crime scene). The fact is Auburn paid him... It will come out.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

the only flaw in that logic is that multiple times after signing with auburn, cam said if it were his call he'd have signed with msu, but that he explicitly gave cecil full authority to make the decision.

 

[BigMotherTucker]

dawgs[/b]]the only flaw in that logic is that multiple times after signing with auburn, cam said if it were his call he'd have signed with msu, but that he explicitly gave cecil full authority to make the decision.

You mean the guy that admitted to shopping him to Mississippi State?! Surely the lard showed Cecil the error of his ways then he decided to insert his son (free of charge) in the wonderful family environment at AU.

/Yeah
//Thats the ticket!

///I hate Auburn fans.

 

[jakldawg]

Isn't chiseled into their precious creed.

 

[RebelBruiser]

the only flaw in that logic is that multiple times after signing with auburn, cam said if it were his call he'd have signed with msu, but that he explicitly gave cecil full authority to make the decision.

That's where it makes the big stretch that was my original logic hard to argue.

I guess the most plausible response I could come up with is that Cam liked MSU the best but had such respect for his father that he was going to let his father tell him what school would be the best for his future.

Again, stretching, but that's probably the logic I would use if I were the type of fan that didn't believe my university ever did anything wrong.

Of course, any explanation you'd have to make as an Auburn fan goes against Occam's razor, that the explanation that requires the fewest assumptions is usually correct. You have to make a whole lot of assumptions to believe Cam didn't get paid and Auburn was clean in all of it, but if you're a fan that wants to believe it, it's possible to reason away almost anything.

 

[jwbigcreek]

the Baghdad Bob of sports reporters. When he "wrote" for the Hsv Times, any guy that ever signed at another school but had Alabama ties really wanted to go to Auburn (for instance, JJ Johnson, Phillip Rivers, Wayne Madkin, etc.). I think his father was actually a legitimate journalist. Rumor is that he's actually an Alabama grad. But as a young reporter he asked Bear an idiotic question, and Bear told him it was the stupidest damn question he ever heard (guess that's why he's a Barner now). Never, ever, expect to get anything but Auburn spin from him.

 

[RebelBruiser]

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Especially the R Kelly part. You could give the Auburn fans that much evidence, and many of them would still want more proof before they would believe it.

 

[drt7891]

If Cam "willfully consented" to giving Cecil authority to make a decision for him and he DID shop him around, Cam SHOULD be just as guilty as Cecil because of that willful consent.

 

[maroonmania]

MSU did turn Cecil and Cam in but not until AFTER the final decision on where to play had been made AND the signed LOI submitted. Therefore the fact that we turned him in had no bearing on the decision. For all he knew we could have been bluffing anyway and apparently we still had a scholarship offer for him even after we told Cecil that he wasn't getting anything from us other than the scholarship offer.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

it's exactly like an agent. which is why the ncaa ruling floored so many people.

 

[GulfCoastDawg]

assuming players get paid, including those at MSU, what is the logic in being upset about Auburn doing what seems to be common practice in giving additional benefits to recruits? Or is it just "different" because itaffectedus negatively?How cansomepeople sithere and saythey want Auburn to burn over Camgate when potentiallythe same things are taking place (to a smaller degree) here at MSU and all around the country. Seems to be the classic pot/kettle scenario unless we know for a fact our program is clean. I guessI'm just looking for a little perspective as to why everyone wants/needs justice and hoping it's notsimply because we got the short end of the deal.

 

[MrHooch]

I've been trying to put myself in their shoes, and this was what I came up with in regards to what they are thinking...

The "fact" that Dan Mullen threatened to turn Cam in IF he went to Auburn will be spun as thus: Dan Mullen had knowledge of a player being shopped in a pay-for-play scheme, but withheld that information contingent on the player's decision of what school to attend. He SHOULD have turned the player in immediately, regardless of the player's impending decision.

That is that absolute worst thing I can see happening for MSU in this situation from an Auburn perspective... and it is kinda scary to think what the NCAA might decide to do with their arbitrary penalty system if that were presented in an unflattering light. However in my mind if Dan put that out there and Cam had decided to attend MSU (ideally for $0) then would there have been an infraction? By the letter of the law I think yes, but it depends on what kind of mood the NCAA is in that day.

 

[ckDOG]

The "fact" that Dan Mullen threatened to turn Cam in IF he went to Auburn will be spun as thus: Dan Mullen had knowledge of a player being shopped in a pay-for-play scheme, but withheld that information contingent on the player's decision of what school to attend. He SHOULD have turned the player in immediately, regardless of the player's impending decision.

Here is a very plausible retort to that using what the NCAA has already acknowledged as fact. The reason we didn't turn him in right away is the slight chance that Cam would commit to MSU despite Cecil's solicitation. Turning him in immediately would have destroyed our relationship with him and that slight chance would have become zero chance. We could easily say that we had every intention of making full disclosure to the NCAA immediately after Cam signed with us to clear the air because A) we didn't pay anybody, B) Cam didn't know about it, and C) we didn't want to eliminate the possibility of a future at MSU.

Remember, the NCAA has acknowledged that Cam was okay to play for Auburn because 1) he was naive of Cecil's solicitations and 2) no benefits were received by the Newton family. If we had to, we could throw the NCAA's logic back into their face for our own protection. I doubt that's the way we would have handled it if Newton decided to play for MSU. However, nobody can prove otherwise so we might as well use the NCAA's own faulty logic to our advantage and self-protection.

The only thing we need to worry about is if it is documented that our guys tried to pony up some cash to buy off Cecil and there is no evidence that Auburn did the same. In that case, we are 17ed no matter what. I only hope that John Bond is absolutely certain there is nothing that could be pinned against us to that nature. He can't be that stupid...can he?

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

..reading this:

IfAmerica had a legitimate judicial body that actually cared about malfeasance, impropriety & racketeering occurring incollege football, Auburn would currently be on theprecipice of servingits 3 year death penalty.

The venal corruption Auburn football has unleashed via Cam Newton is not only an embarrassment to college football, it's also an embarrassmentto the United States of America.

And I don't care what some Auburn version of Yancy & Swindollclaims in a sickeningly homeristic article: The only reason Auburn football is still functioning is because the SEC & the NCAAare as equally corrupt as Auburn.