Uh oh! McClatchy reports that Top Secret emails were found on Hillary's server
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I heard the report. The State Department's line is that those e-mails bounced around among several people for two years and were forwarded to Hillary with no markings. Here's the biggest issue for me with this: for years we have had two official e-mail networks, one unclassified and one classified and obviously classified messages aren't supposed to go outside of the classified channel. All the focus has been on Hillary's private e-mail network and no mention of whether she used the classified channel properly or not at all. If she was having classified messages sent to hillary.com or whatever her personal address was, that's an offense that would get a peon like me fired. The haphazard way that stuff gets classified -- sometimes years after the fact -- makes me happy that I only work with public information even though I have a clearance.
Let's be honest. If only part of what has been alleged (standalone server aside) had been anyone other than her, they would have been indicted months ago. Normal everyday Joe would have been fired immediately regardless of grey area.
Except that until this came up and it was revealed that Colin Powell had done the same thing, and nary a peep from anyone. Are going to indict him after the fact too? People need to un-wad their undies about the fact that Hillary didn't use State's e-mail, unless it's determined that she truly mishandled classified information, which is a whole other offense - the very offense for which Petraeus was investigated.
Yes--two wrongs do not make it right. Quit justifying poor behavior. She knew better and Powell did too.
Plus---I am pretty certain Powell did not try to lie his way out like Clinton is doing.
Once again you are full of POOP.
Fix your own panties before plucking the panties off someone else. Or something like that.
1) Powell left State in early 2005. The no personal email policy went into effect in 2005.
2) Powell used an email account, probably a gmail, hotmail, or something like that. Hillary had set up her own server, and gave her aides the same access, well after policy had been established.
3) Powell said he used his for housekeeping type information with his staff, and never top secret information. The account has been closed for years. There is no way to determine if he's being truthful or not.
4) She set up a server to conduct state business with. I just can't get over how crazy that is from the getgo.
You could easily argue that setting up an independent server that is maintained is far more secure than gmail, hotmail, or the like. Also, no one sets up a non-classified server for the purpose of discussing classified information. Separate systems are used for different levels of classified data and conversation. Discussing that info on non-classified servers, government or private, is a huge no-no.
I would argue quite the opposite. Unless you get the password to a gmail/hotmail account, you aren't breaking into their servers through their firewalls. You will be datamined by your provider.
If you, however, setup a pop3 or imap server of your own, there are so many things to miss for an independent server, that you will miss something and leave yourself vulnerable. Not to mention spam filtering, etc.
I kind of think that's the point.
I'm not justifying anything, dumbass, merely observing that there was no hue and cry over the revelation that Powell had used private e-mail instead of the official unclassified network. As for the lying, Powell was never asked about it. And in fact, I agree with you -- she should have known better and done better, and I've said more than once that her setting up a personal e-mail server is just one more example of her "I know better than anyone" attitude. But unless she actually gets indicted, this will roll off her just like everything since Whitewater.
And passwords are hard to break? You're using single factor authentication. Was Hillary using that too? Maybe, but I don't know. It's also not like she was setting this up personally. She had someone managing the server for her. Was the server behind a firewall? I suspect that's also the case.
I agree that the classified info on regular email is an issue. It would have been an issue if she were on an unclassified State Dept email account as well. She was in that position for several years, and there are 2 pieces of classified info. I have questions about how that happened, but 2 pieces of info in several years tells me that it was not the norm for that email address to be used for discussing classified topics. They were instances of spillage at worst, or they were topics that were determined to be classified after the fact.
I thought that I saw where out of 40 examined emails, there were 2 out of the 40 containing classified info, after her people had multiple passes of sanitizing what was there.
Wrong! Do you just make up **** and hope it sticks to the wall?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...governments-classified-information-and-networ
I looked it up, and what I'm seeing is that 4 emails were determined to be classified, and 2 of those 4 were top secret. I didn't see any mention of 40 emails - either as the total number examined or a number brought into question.
Hillary ONLY used her personal server. She NEVER used the secured, government server.
Wrong again. Powell used a secured government server for government and his personal email for private business. Still not good but very different from Hillary.
She has mishandled confidential information by using an unencrypted private server. This is far less than Patraeus.
I think the point you are missing is that there are different networks and different email addresses for different classification levels. On the unclassified side, she did not use the State Dept server for email. We have no idea if she had any email addresses on the classified networks. That hasn't been discussed. But someone could not send an email from a classified email server to her private server or the unclassified State Dept server. It would be like trying ot drive to Hawaii.
Imo Petraeus's actions were worse because he deliberately showed classified info to an unauthorized person. We don't know if anyone saw any of Hillary's documents.
The IG examined 40 emails and found 4 that had confidential information, two were top secret. That's 10% of the sample.
Hillary has stated that she never used any server other than her own. She never had a .gov email. But she promised she never received, nor sent confidential information. This is why FOIA requests for her emails were never completed, because State did not have access to her server.
Wrong! Powell and Jeb Bush, as governor of Florida, used private e-mail to conduct business. So did Palin as governor of Alaska.
You guys are more hypocritical than a Catholic priest calling for a boycott of the Boy Scouts because they now allow scout leaders to be gay.
http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clin...-bush-used-private-email-also-why-her-1839158
Petraeus shared confidential info with his mistress and who knows what she shared with others which is waaaay worse than what has come out of Hillary's email scandal so far. You are really soft pedalling what Petraeus did so here's a link to refresh your selective memory. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/23/petraeus-sentencing/26235127/
It was wrong in all cases. I'm not sure what rules were in place for any of the three, but if strong rules don't exist, preventing this in the future, they should be fixed. Can't fix the past, but no reason for this to continue going forward.
The issue is whether she used her personal server and sent (or received) emails which "contained" sensitive or classified information.