UK growth is soaring

[Hank Camacho]

That is precisely why universities have endowments. Here’s an AI summary of the purposes of endowments:


“Universities have endowments to provide a perpetual source of income to support their long-term missions, such as funding research, offering scholarships and financial aid, covering professor salaries, and building or maintaining facilities. These funds, accumulated through donations and investment gains, are invested to generate income that can be used to benefit students, faculty, and the wider community, thereby ensuring the institution's stability and enabling it to plan for the future and fulfill its educational and charitable goals.”

The size of an endowment is an indication of the health of a school’s relationship with its community, since endowments are collections of donated assets invested for the long term. So, UK is better off than 10 other schools in the SEC.

Oh yeah? So is UK currently spending any of that endowment down to reduce the cost of tuition, especially for in-state kids? If so, how and be specific? NO AI SUMMARIES.

What percentage of the endowment is spent on ever more buildings, administrators, and soliciting more donations?

I don't see how what UK is currently doing benefits Kentucky. I amply see how it benefits the University of Kentucky, however, so don't give me reasons that confuse the two.

 

[TeamAmerica]

Good on you, mate! I know exceptions to the rule. Most of my wealthy buddies went to Georgia tech, Davidson, Sewanee, UK, FSU, and on an on.

It’s about knowledge and networking. If you don’t know wealthy people, it’s hard to make big money.

Example of connecting with the right people. We got paired with a single lady for a tee time at a private club. We hammed it up with her and exchanged numbers. Turns out, she is an oil baroness and owns part of the saints. She texted me last night to invite me and the fam to a December Saints game because she is an owner.

How did I get on this private golf course? College buddy invited me. He has a Masters from gtech and now owns a lending company and a couple planes and vacation houses.

Thats a definite Democratic elitist attitude. You are too good to do skilled work - let the peons do it. Do you think because you played a private course that puts you above everyone else?

 

[GJNorman1]

Thats a definite Democratic elitist attitude. You are too good to do skilled work - let the peons do it. Do you think because you played a private course that puts you above everyone else?

I was trying to give an example of connections built through going to college

No, I don’t think I’m better. I’m trying to give advice like I would give to my kids. Go to college and i if you can’t cut it in college you can fall back on a trade.

I have raked many leaves, cut many lawns, unclogged many toilets and drains, dug up a few septic tanks, done lots of dirty ****. I would prefer to make money through connections.

 

[TeamAmerica]

I was trying to give an example of connections built through going to college

No, I don’t think I’m better. I’m trying to give advice like I would give to my kids. Go to college and i if you can’t cut it in college you can fall back on a trade.

I have raked many leaves, cut many lawns, unclogged many toilets and drains, dug up a few septic tanks, done lots of dirty ****. I would prefer to make money through connections.

Feel sorry for my kids. My advice to mine was do what you enjoy and can make money at. It can be College. trade school or the military.

 

[KenTucker]

This thread caused me to do some research. Why is tuition so high for the University of Kentucky? I compared it to my home state and the difference is startling. Florida has not had a tuition increase in about 10 years and pay less than half of what Kentuckians pay.

Kentucky residents should require politicians to address these costs.

University of Kentucky Tuition

• In-state students: Approximately $13,907. Total Cost $35,098
• Out-of-state students: Approximately $35,164. Total Cost $55,292

How much does it cost to attend?​

In State Kentucky Resident Sticker Price​

$35,098

Fee	Cost
Tuition	$11,849
Other Fees	$1,363
Books and Supplies	$1,200
Room and Board	$15,242
Other Expenses Budget	$5,444

Out of State Resident Sticker Price​

$55,292

Fee	Cost
Tuition	$32,043
Other Fees	$1,363
Books and Supplies	$1,200
Room and Board	$15,242
Other Expenses Budget	$5,444

Floridians can go to UF for: $6,381, half the cost of UK. The out of state tuition is $5,000 cheaper. Why so much at UK?

The annual tuition and fees cost for the University of Florida for the 2025-26 academic year is projected to be $6,381 for in-state students and $30,886 for out-of-state students. 80% of Florida's Statewide University students do not have to take out a student loan.

	In State	Out of State	In-state Living With Parents	Summer Classes
*Tuition / Fees	$6,380	$30,900	$6,380	$2,550
Books, Course Materials, Supplies, Equipment	1,235	1,235	1,235	546
Transportation	1,660	1,660	1,660	550
Living Expenses	12,615	12,615	4,560	3,990
Miscellaneous Personal Expenses	2,234	2,234	2,234	667
Federal Student Loan Fees	56	56	56	10
Total Budget	$24,180	$48,700	$16,125	$8,313

It isn’t just UF that has lower-cost college expenses. All public universities in the state have similar reasonable costs for secondary education.

(AI-assisted response)
Key Factors Contributing to Low Tuition

• Strong State Investment:
  The Florida government heavily subsidizes public universities through state appropriations, reducing the need to cover costs primarily through tuition.
  
  
• Performance-Based Funding:
  Florida uses a system that rewards universities based on outcomes like graduate employment and earnings, encouraging efficiency and cost-effective degree completion.
  
  
• Flat Tuition and Fees:
  The state has deliberately kept tuition and fee costs for public universities at the same level since the 2014-2015 academic year, according to The Center Square.
  
  
• Targeted Financial Aid:
  Programs like the Bright Futures scholarship and Florida Student Assistance Grants offer substantial aid, making education more affordable for many residents, notes The Center Square.
  
  
• Focus on Affordability:
  Florida's commitment to education transparency and return on investment also emphasizes providing a high-quality, low-cost degree option for students, according to The Center Square.
  
  Could Kentucky do the same? Or most other states for that matter? Probably not.

 

[KenTucker]

Oh yeah? So is UK currently spending any of that endowment down to reduce the cost of tuition, especially for in-state kids? If so, how and be specific? NO AI SUMMARIES.

What percentage of the endowment is spent on ever more buildings, administrators, and soliciting more donations?

I don't see how what UK is currently doing benefits Kentucky. I amply see how it benefits the University of Kentucky, however, so don't give me reasons that confuse the two.

Endowments provide investment income for the university. Spending it would eliminate that income.

To reduce tuition and other expenses for future students, the state would have to invest in public universities as Florida has. With the mindset of Kentucky’s current anti-education politicians, that is unlikely to happen.

 

[Johnnie Africa]

Again, I know many plumber and electricians that are doing ok, but they are way behind the majority of my friends that worked harder in school. Why not try college first, and you can always fall back on unclogging toilets and drains.

I was an average student and didn’t apply myself to the fullest. But, I graduated with a 3.0 from an ACC school. I have a charming personality and am really good looking, so because of this, I have done well selling chit.

I think I could have done better with a masters in business.

Why not try college, rack up non-bankrupatble debt with a 9% interest rate for thousands of dollars just for ***** and giggles and see if you like it? Here’s the funny part, I had better grades and THREE more degrees than you and you’re the one pushing college It’s like the saying “a little bit of knowledge is worse than none”. I mean let me ask you this: do you like the fact that your Alma Mater is just letting in every dumbass that applies regardless of intelligence, motivation, long term plan etc? I mean what are we advocating for as a society anymore? Some people should go to college. Others should not. It’s that simple. I don’t know why we need to cheerlead for billion dollar universities. Might as well go and cheer and defend Pfizer and google while we’re at it.

 

[Hank Camacho]

Endowments provide investment income for the university. Spending it would eliminate that income.

To reduce tuition and other expenses for future students, the state would have to invest in public universities as Florida has. With the mindset of Kentucky’s current anti-education politicians, that is unlikely to happen.

So, to summarize your point, UK should not spend any of the 2.5 BILLION DOLLARS in its endowment (including the income it produces) on students and instead rely on an already cash-strapped state government to fit the bill?

Is that honestly your point? Because if so, wow. Go ahead and print that on a brochure and send it to every one in the state if you want everyone to despise you, I guess.

Seriously. I can't believe you would even say that. THAT ATTITUDE (and the BS federal guarantee/bankruptcy provisions) are exactly why colleges would crater and go bankrupt if they weren't supported by a kleptocratic government.

 

[Hank Camacho]

It isn’t just UF that has lower-cost college expenses. All public universities in the state have similar reasonable costs for secondary education.

(AI-assisted response)
Key Factors Contributing to Low Tuition

• Strong State Investment:
  The Florida government heavily subsidizes public universities through state appropriations, reducing the need to cover costs primarily through tuition.
  
  
• Performance-Based Funding:
  Florida uses a system that rewards universities based on outcomes like graduate employment and earnings, encouraging efficiency and cost-effective degree completion.
  
  
• Flat Tuition and Fees:
  The state has deliberately kept tuition and fee costs for public universities at the same level since the 2014-2015 academic year, according to The Center Square.
  
  
• Targeted Financial Aid:
  Programs like the Bright Futures scholarship and Florida Student Assistance Grants offer substantial aid, making education more affordable for many residents, notes The Center Square.
  
  
• Focus on Affordability:
  Florida's commitment to education transparency and return on investment also emphasizes providing a high-quality, low-cost degree option for students, according to The Center Square.
  
  Could Kentucky do the same? Or most other states for that matter? Probably not.

Thanks for yet another AI summary.

 

[KenTucker]

So, to summarize your point, UK should not spend any of the 2.5 BILLION DOLLARS in its endowment (including the income it produces) on students and instead rely on an already cash-strapped state government to fit the bill?

Is that honestly your point? Because if so, wow. Go ahead and print that on a brochure and send it to every one in the state if you want everyone to despise you, I guess.

Seriously. I can't believe you would even say that. THAT ATTITUDE (and the BS federal guarantee/bankruptcy provisions) are exactly why colleges would crater and go bankrupt if they weren't supported by a kleptocratic government.

You didn’t summarize my point, you interpreted it.

A “cash-strapped state government” is a mismanaged state government. Spending beyond income is stupid whether it’s an individual or a government body.

If you want a government that values education the way Florida’s does, then you should work politically towards that end. Just know that to do that will require an income (taxation) to fund it. Good luck with that in Kentucky.

 

[KenTucker]

Thanks for yet another AI summary.

Your aversion to AI limits your benefits of this new tool for communication.

 

[Hank Camacho]

You didn’t summarize my point, you interpreted it.

A “cash-strapped state government” is a mismanaged state government. Spending beyond income is stupid whether it’s an individual or a government body.

If you want a government that values education the way Florida’s does, then you should work politically towards that end. Just know that to do that will require an income (taxation) to fund it. Good luck with that in Kentucky.

Why should the annual income from the endowment NOT be used to reduce in-state tuition costs?

You said it. Not me. Maybe if you tried making a point of your own, rather than just regurgitating ChatGPT answers, you might be able to address what I said.

 

[KenTucker]

Why should the annual income from the endowment NOT be used to reduce in-state tuition costs?

You said it. Not me. Maybe if you tried making a point of your own, rather than just regurgitating ChatGPT answers, you might be able to address what I said.

I suppose I’d have to first be interested in what you said. Then, if so, I’d certainly employ AI in my response if needed.

 

[cole@854]

Again, I know many plumber and electricians that are doing ok, but they are way behind the majority of my friends that worked harder in school.

Wow....talk about a shallow and short sighted bullshiit comment.

 

[Hank Camacho]

I suppose I’d have to first be interested in what you said. Then, if so, I’d certainly employ AI in my response if needed.

Funny how you lost interest when you had to start making your own points and could not rely on ChatGPT and not before.

I'm still waiting to hear your justification for why UK should not use any of the income it derives from its 2.5 billion dollar endowment on reducing its students' tuition.

 

[Wayne Dougan]

Had the first company hired me when I was 18 instead of 22 (after college), I would have been every bit as effective minus wasting my dad's money for four years. That said, I had a GREAT time in college and met my wife there, so I don't have any regrets.

 

[cole@854]

That said, I had a GREAT time in college and met my wife there, so I don't have any regrets.

 

[KenTucker]

Funny how you lost interest when you had to start making your own points and could not rely on ChatGPT and not before.

I'm still waiting to hear your justification for why UK should not use any of the income it derives from its 2.5 billion dollar endowment on reducing its students' tuition.

Don’t forget to bathe regularly.

 

[JumperJack.]

And it should be a priority over getting a trade job out of HS

Oh dear.

 

[GJNorman1]

Why not try college, rack up non-bankrupatble debt with a 9% interest rate for thousands of dollars just for ***** and giggles and see if you like it? Here’s the funny part, I had better grades and THREE more degrees than you and you’re the one pushing college It’s like the saying “a little bit of knowledge is worse than none”. I mean let me ask you this: do you like the fact that your Alma Mater is just letting in every dumbass that applies regardless of intelligence, motivation, long term plan etc? I mean what are we advocating for as a society anymore? Some people should go to college. Others should not. It’s that simple. I don’t know why we need to cheerlead for billion dollar universities. Might as well go and cheer and defend Pfizer and google while we’re at it.

Ok, what are your 3 degrees? How has the job market treated you, compared to being a non-college educated plumber and making a steady 90,000 a year?

did you build any meaningful connections or relationships from those 3 degrees?

 

[GJNorman1]

Doing a quick search:

Employees who graduate from Georgia Institute of Technology earn an average of $196k, mostly ranging from $149k to $536k based on 1490 profiles.

This doesn’t include potential stock options, company health insurance, and other company benefits.

 

[Johnnie Africa]

Ok, what are your 3 degrees? How has the job market treated you, compared to being a non-college educated plumber and making a steady 90,000 a year?

did you build any meaningful connections or relationships from those 3 degrees?

Oh my god - we’ve been having a discussion for over a day and you haven’t even been able to comprehend the point I was trying to make - I feel like I’m talking to a brick wall. My undergraduate degree was in molecular genetics from UK and I finished with a 3.78 on a full ride before moving on to more school where I eventually met my wife, who was valedictorian of her HS class, finished undergrad in 3 years and wanted to be what her current job is when she was 12. Did college make sense for us? Yes, obviously. Did it make sense for my dad who got his PhD at Princeton and was a full bright scholar or my brother who’s a physician? Yes, obviously. That’s why we immigrated to America when I was 6.

That was originally the point of college - a selective higher education model to educate professionals to better society that needed and were motivated to go to college. It was considered a big deal to go to college. It was HARD to get in. It’s why states funded the majority of it with taxes at less than 2% interest because the system benefitted everyone as a whole.

It was NOT meant to accept Rhonda from Glasgow who had a 2.8 in HS and a 17 on her ACT to take on 58,000 in debt at 9% interest for a gender studies degree. That’s the point I’m trying to make. Of course Georgia Tech, a top 10 engineering school that’s very selective, has high income earners, who the hell is arguing against that? We’re discussing how out of control most universities have become. As I said earlier, we should be advocating for a 20% reduction in majors offered and more selective enrollment. A 95% acceptance rate while the school HOARDS BILLIONS of dollars is completely predatory lending behavior from universities and the government.

We should be advocating and fighting for the betterment of our future generations, not cheerleading the monster universities have become. How in the world could you not support Mark from Hazard to go into plumbing where his services are severely needed and he can make close to six figures and literally everyone in society benefits versus going to college for a year “to find himself” and take on debt he can’t pay back and come out pissed off with only the university benefitting and getting rich from him? What in the world are you talking about?

You’re on here, with your C average business degree arguing with lawyers and doctors about the purpose of college It’s like I’m in an SNL skit

 

[GJNorman1]

Oh my god - we’ve been having a discussion for over a day and you haven’t even been able to comprehend the point I was trying to make - I feel like I’m talking to a brick wall. My undergraduate degree was in molecular genetics from UK and I finished with a 3.78 on a full ride before moving on to more school where I eventually met my wife, who was valedictorian of her HS class, finished undergrad in 3 years and wanted to be what her current job is when she was 12. Did college make sense for us? Yes, obviously. Did it make sense for my dad who got his PhD at Princeton and was a full bright scholar or my brother who’s a physician? Yes, obviously. That’s why we immigrated to America when I was 6.

That was originally the point of college - a selective higher education model to educate professionals to better society that needed and were motivated to go to college. It was considered a big deal to go to college. It was HARD to get in. It’s why states funded the majority of it with taxes at less than 2% interest because the system benefitted everyone as a whole.

It was NOT meant to accept Rhonda from Glasgow who had a 2.8 in HS and a 17 on her ACT to take on 58,000 in debt at 9% interest for a gender studies degree. That’s the point I’m trying to make. Of course Georgia Tech, a top 10 engineering school that’s very selective, has high income earners, who the hell is arguing against that? We’re discussing how out of control most universities have become. As I said earlier, we should be advocating for a 20% reduction in majors offered and more selective enrollment. A 95% acceptance rate while the school HOARDS BILLIONS of dollars is completely predatory lending behavior from universities and the government.

We should be advocating and fighting for the betterment of our future generations, not cheerleading the monster universities have become. How in the world could you not support Mark from Hazard to go into plumbing where his services are severely needed and he can make close to six figures and literally everyone in society benefits versus going to college for a year “to find himself” and take on debt he can’t pay back and come out pissed off with only the university benefitting and getting rich from him? What in the world are you talking about?

You’re on here, with your C average business degree arguing with lawyers and doctors about the purpose of college It’s like I’m in an SNL skit

Way to be disciplined, I think it paid off. And thanks for the assist. Working hard to learn and always striving for more intelligence and information, Is a fantastic way to go thru life.
I bet it helped score the smart wife of yours. Now, if you can unclog pipes too, holychit, she wont be able to contain herself.

 

[Johnnie Africa]

. Now, if you can unclog pipes too, holychit, she wont be able to contain herself.

One of my college roommates favorite pictures in college is of me trying to unclog a toilet for the first time in my life our junior year of college and me clearly having no idea what I was doing

 

[LordEgg]

You didn’t summarize my point, you interpreted it.

A “cash-strapped state government” is a mismanaged state government. Spending beyond income is stupid whether it’s an individual or a government body.

If you want a government that values education the way Florida’s does, then you should work politically towards that end. Just know that to do that will require an income (taxation) to fund it. Good luck with that in Kentucky.

Fun fact...Florida has no personal income tax.

 

[GJNorman1]

One of my college roommates favorite pictures in college is of me trying to unclog a toilet for the first time in my life our junior year of college and me clearly having no idea what I was doing

Dual threat guy

 

[LineSkiCat14]

I don't know how current generations are going to be able to afford college. Some universities up my way are pushing close to 6-figures for a year of tuition. My wife is still paying off her degree from RIT, and that was only a 35-40k/year school. What's going to happen when the current age of college students walk out that door with $350k in college debt?

 

[JumperJack.]

Endowments provide investment income for the university. Spending it would eliminate that income.

To reduce tuition and other expenses for future students, the state would have to invest in public universities as Florida has. With the mindset of Kentucky’s current anti-education politicians, that is unlikely to happen.

There are other ways to reduce tuition for future students, of course. Mainly by getting rid of administrative staff, reducing tenure tracks in unnecessary departments, reduce the ridiculous amenities, and raising admission requirements.

 

[Tskware]

Agree with @LineSkiCat14 that college has become really really expensive, I have been saying for years that it has to come down in cost, cannot just climb to infinity. My problem is that I have also been saying that about a lot of other things, e.g., coaching salaries and ticket prices, cost of houses, stock market, etc. So far, I have been wrong, so I suppose as long as parents are willing to pony up the money (like my wife and I did) to pay for their kids to go to college, then tuition won't come down.

Agree with @JumperJack that admin bloat is a real problem (same for UKAA by the way). Even when I was in school 40 years ago, there was a dean of fraternities and sororities. Now honestly, WTF was he/she doing 40 hours a week? Going to beer blasts? Monitoring GPA and sorority rush? I wish I could have Capiluto's job for a month, I could be a mini DOGE bro and seriously cut some costs. And don't get me started on Mitch B and his rather generous contract negotiation style.

Also thought forgiveness of student loans was a dumb *** idea, especially since we wrote checks totaling close to $350K to send our two daughters to out of state universities. [FWIW, one is now an executive director in the field she studied, the other changed careers, got a masters degree, with student loans that she has made every payment on, and is a director of a new program at Univ Colorado Health center treating depression and suicidal tendencies, and is also doing well]

However, I do very much disagree with the maybe unspoken theme on this thread that college is only for the academically elite, and more or less limited to a vocational training ground for doctors, lawyers, accountants and chem physics PHDs. Who are we to say that a kid from Pikeville or Glasgow who wants to better himself shouldn't go to college and give it a shot? That is elitist as hell. Obviously running up hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt (which I don't think is necessary at UK for instate kids) is not a good idea, but it is a false choice to say its either that or plumbing or factory work.

Education is a good thing, in and of itself, without regard to your final professional destination. If nothing else, it teaches you to read, and think, and learn something new, which is a skill you will need for the rest of your life. One thing that happened after WWII was the GI bill, where suddenly millions of (mostly) men could go to college, and had choices other than going back to the farm or factory. And the GDP of US went up like a skyrocket, so I would say that there is a historical precedent for the benefits of a more educated society.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Agree with @LineSkiCat14 that college has become really really expensive, I have been saying for years that it has to come down in cost, cannot just climb to infinity. My problem is that I have also been saying that about a lot of other things, e.g., coaching salaries and ticket prices, cost of houses, stock market, etc. So far, I have been wrong, so I suppose as long as parents are willing to pony up the money (like my wife and I did) to pay for their kids to go to college, then tuition won't come down.

Agree with @JumperJack that admin bloat is a real problem (same for UKAA by the way). Even when I was in school 40 years ago, there was a dean of fraternities and sororities. Now honestly, WTF was he/she doing 40 hours a week? Going to beer blasts? Monitoring GPA and sorority rush? I wish I could have Capiluto's job for a month, I could be a mini DOGE bro and seriously cut some costs. And don't get me started on Mitch B and his rather generous contract negotiation style.

Also thought forgiveness of student loans was a dumb *** idea, especially since we wrote checks totaling close to $350K to send our two daughters to out of state universities. [FWIW, one is now an executive director in the field she studied, the other changed careers, got a masters degree, with student loans that she has made every payment on, and is a director of a new program at Univ Colorado Health center treating depression and suicidal tendencies, and is also doing well]

However, I do very much disagree with the maybe unspoken theme on this thread that college is only for the academically elite, and more or less limited to a vocational training ground for doctors, lawyers, accountants and chem physics PHDs. Who are we to say that a kid from Pikeville or Glasgow who wants to better himself shouldn't go to college and give it a shot? That is elitist as hell. Obviously running up hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt (which I don't think is necessary at UK for instate kids) is not a good idea, but it is a false choice to say its either that or plumbing or factory work.

Education is a good thing, in and of itself, without regard to your final professional destination. If nothing else, it teaches you to read, and think, and learn something new, which is a skill you will need for the rest of your life. One thing that happened after WWII was the GI bill, where suddenly millions of (mostly) men could go to college, and had choices other than going back to the farm or factory. And the GDP of US went up like a skyrocket, so I would say that there is a historical precedent for the benefits of a more educated society.

I have a 529 plan for my daughter. I put in $200 a month with hopes that maybe.. maybe, it could get to $100-$150k, which won't be nearly enough.. just a bit to help cover the costs.

But I'll tell yah, if my daughter or any other future children don't really have a "plan" for college or what they want to do, I'm not paying for it. If need be, go to a community college for a year or so to figure it out. You can always transfer in to any school really, once you have a year or two under your belt.

 

[Johnnie Africa]

However, I do very much disagree with the maybe unspoken theme on this thread that college is only for the academically elite, and more or less limited to a vocational training ground for doctors, lawyers, accountants and chem physics PHDs. Who are we to say that a kid from Pikeville or Glasgow who wants to better himself shouldn't go to college and give it a shot? That is elitist as hell. Obviously running up hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt (which I don't think is necessary at UK for instate kids) is not a good idea, but it is a false choice to say its either that or plumbing or factory work.

I mean how in the world is that what you gathered from my post? Higher ACADEMIC education is not for everyone. It’s just not. 40 years ago did every dipshit you went to school with go to college? Of course not, all that does is cheapen the degree and flood the market with a deluge of easy degrees. What does that do? It lessens the exclusivity of a degree and makes it so a large percentage of young people have a degree. What does that do? It makes it so employers who historically didn’t require degrees for entry level positions now require them to help them filter out applicants. What does that do? It makes it so the demand for a college degree increases for people that want to join the workforce. What does that do? It makes it so universities can charge whatever they want and just keep printing money and getting bigger and offering more and more garbage degrees. I felt I had to spell it out for you since you seem confused in your post about the demand for college and you being completely puzzled by it.

And why is it elitist for me to say that kids that have never been academically inclined or ever done well should consider a highly in demand vocation with immediate earning potential? What? You’re the one looking down on them if you think they’re less than a kid that graduated at UK with a 2.8 in sociology with 60k in debt. I already told you tradesman are the newest millionaire class in the US.

And who’s to say that Mark from pikeville can’t, after two years of working in a factory out of HS, realize this isn’t for him and then decide to apply himself, go to community college for two years and get good grades, and then get his degree at UK the following two years. Or he can just simply apply himself at work, get promoted and eventually be high up in the company making six figures? In what way is that a worse approach or bad to society? Why is a guy that’s an electrician or plumber looked down upon by some of you?

But the only way that can happen for Mark is that he has to know that if he did ****** in HS he can’t qualify for college. There should be standards, there should be accountability, there should be expectations. It’s reckless, predatory, and cruel to accept a kid into debt at 17 that has showed zero inclination that he has an interest in academics. It only enriches the universities.

 

[UK-Chulo]

There are other ways to reduce tuition for future students, of course. Mainly by getting rid of administrative staff, reducing tenure tracks in unnecessary departments, reduce the ridiculous amenities, and raising admission requirements.

The curriculum could use an overhaul. Many kids spend their first two years with a course load that may or may not add any value to their desired major. But the university gets to fill the coffers making them fulfill those courses for a degree. Secondary education system really needs an audit.

 

[Tskware]

I have a 529 plan for my daughter. I put in $200 a month with hopes that maybe.. maybe, it could get to $100-$150k, which won't be nearly enough.. just a bit to help cover the costs.

But I'll tell yah, if my daughter or any other future children don't really have a "plan" for college or what they want to do, I'm not paying for it. If need be, go to a community college for a year or so to figure it out. You can always transfer in to any school really, once you have a year or two under your belt.

You sound a lot like my Dad who was right for the most part. But there are people who go to college and major in one thing but change careers completely like my brother, who became an electrical engineer.And several years later became disenchanted, got his financial licenses and ended up spending two decades as a 401K advisor and retired early so I don't think that he wasted his time in engineering. Don and Dudley Webb both had law degrees from UK, but don't know that they ever practiced a day in their life. They instead went into real estate development and became very successful in central Kentucky.I don't think Dudley would know how to prepare a complaint, much less file one.

 

[Tskware]

I mean how in the world is that what you gathered from my post? Higher ACADEMIC education is not for everyone. It’s just not. 40 years ago did every dipshit you went to school with go to college? Of course not, all that does is cheapen the degree and flood the market with a deluge of easy degrees. What does that do? It lessens the exclusivity of a degree and makes it so a large percentage of young people have a degree. What does that do? It makes it so employers who historically didn’t require degrees for entry level positions now require them to help them filter out applicants. What does that do? It makes it so the demand for a college degree increases for people that want to join the workforce. What does that do? It makes it so universities can charge whatever they want and just keep printing money and getting bigger and offering more and more garbage degrees. I felt I had to spell it out for you since you seem confused in your post about the demand for college and you being completely puzzled by it.

And why is it elitist for me to say that kids that have never been academically inclined or ever done well should consider a highly in demand vocation with immediate earning potential? What? You’re the one looking down on them if you think they’re less than a kid that graduated at UK with a 2.8 in sociology with 60k in debt. I already told you tradesman are the newest millionaire class in the US.

And who’s to say that Mark from pikeville can’t, after two years of working in a factory out of HS, realize this isn’t for him and then decide to apply himself, go to community college for two years and get good grades, and then get his degree at UK the following two years. Or he can just simply apply himself at work, get promoted and eventually be high up in the company making six figures? In what way is that a worse approach or bad to society? Why is a guy that’s an electrician or plumber looked down upon by some of you?

But the only way that can happen for Mark is that he has to know that if he did ****** in HS he can’t qualify for college. There should be standards, there should be accountability, there should be expectations. It’s reckless, predatory, and cruel to accept a kid into debt at 17 that has showed zero inclination that he has an interest in academics. It only enriches the universities.

Bro I don't think we're disagreeing all that much, you're just wanting to pick a fight.Why don't you go outside and cut the grass or do something productive and put the computer down for a bit

 

[Johnnie Africa]

Bro I don't think we're disagreeing all that much, you're just wanting to pick a fight.Why don't you go outside and cut the grass or do something productive and put the computer down for a bit

Buddy I’m not pissed off (well maybe a little as today is my day off and I had a tee time with my buddies at noon that got cancelled because of rain - but we’re going to Twin Peaks instead ). My writing style is direct, concise, and to the point after 100 years of college. If you’re having trouble reciprocating the discussion I understand, sometimes being challenged makes people uncomfortable.

 

[Hank Camacho]

Who are we to say that a kid from Pikeville or Glasgow who wants to better himself shouldn't go to college and give it a shot? That is elitist as hell.

Who said that? That sounds like a complete straw man argument to me.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

You sound a lot like my Dad who was right for the most part. But there are people who go to college and major in one thing but change careers completely like my brother, who became an electrical engineer.And several years later became disenchanted, got his financial licenses and ended up spending two decades as a 401K advisor and retired early so I don't think that he wasted his time in engineering. Don and Dudley Webb both had law degrees from UK, but don't know that they ever practiced a day in their life. They instead went into real estate development and became very successful in central Kentucky.I don't think Dudley would know how to prepare a complaint, much less file one.

Yeah I mean, you can never cover all the bases. A smart kid could go to college for 4 years and do nothing with it. The black sheep in the family could skip college and land in sales somewhere making more than everyone else in the family.

The only thing I don't want is to pay for college for a kid who really doesn't seem interested in it, doesn't have a plan, etc. I don't need them to have a 3.8 GPA, I don't even necessarily need them to pick the most financial advantageous degree. But if we're both going to spend $400k (and whatever that is with interest over the years), then college really needs to be worth it. Because otherwise, here's $200k, go start a business or buy some rental property.

 

[Tskware]

Buddy I’m not pissed off (well maybe a little as today is my day off and I had a tee time with my buddies at noon that got cancelled because of rain - but we’re going to Twin Peaks instead ). My writing style is direct, concise, and to the point after 100 years of college. If you’re having trouble reciprocating the discussion I understand, sometimes being challenged makes people uncomfortable.

Thanks, in my career. I almost never had to write concisely or respond to an argument. It really made me very uncomfortable . . . in the 40 years that I practiced law.

 

[Johnnie Africa]

Thanks, in my career. I almost never had to write concisely or respond to an argument. It really made me very uncomfortable . . . in the 40 years that I practiced law.

I remember the last time I was in court. This one attorney said something. The other attorney responded calmly with a bunch of points. It wasn’t anything breathtaking but just some logical points to counter the first attorney in a respectful way. The other attorney then told him to stop being emotional and go outside and mow his lawn.

 

[Tskware]

I remember the last time I was in court. This one attorney said something. The other attorney responded calmly with a bunch of points. It wasn’t anything breathtaking but just some logical points to counter the first attorney in a respectful way. The other attorney then told him to stop being emotional and go outside and mow his lawn.

I just don't believe in filling up an entire thread with point counterpoint, between one or two posters gets really tiresome quickly.If you want to have a more in depth discussion, send me a private conversation.And I promise I'll respond