UK lands #1 prospect for 2011 also..

maroonmania

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was there ever much doubt about what he would do at UK given their tradition and resources.
 

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his last 2 programs with NCAA sanctions is a good recruiter.

I guess he is just so charismatic.
 

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That's what I've been saying. The NCAA can't get him on the stuff that actually goes on. He's not the only one doing it either. Your coach does it. Our coach does it. They just don't have the same connections Cal has. Cal is a great recruiter because he has the best street agent connection in the country. Everyone else plays the game, just not as well.
 

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but he obviously is on another level and no one ever says "well he pays players" immediately (except for me) like they do when Stans lands a Gordon or a Sharpe. I just find it absolutely hilarious that people swoon all over him when he gets these guys like he is some mad genius.
 

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8Dog said:
but he obviously is on another level and no one ever says "well he pays players" immediately (except for me) like they do when Stans lands a Gordon or a Sharpe. I just find it absolutely hilarious that people swoon all over him when he gets these guys like he is some mad genius.

It's absurd for people to claim he's a great recruiter. He probably could be a pretty good recruiter in his own right, but we don't know that, because he's not recruiting in the traditional sense. He lands great players because of his connection to Worldwide Wes and the NBA age limit. Take away that age limit, and take away the AAU system to level the playing field, and he may still prove to be a decent recruiter, but he's not out there selling moms and dads in the current format, like you have to do in football.

Under the table stuff goes on in football too. Don't get me wrong, but it's not part of an organized system the way it is in basketball.
 

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but my post was more to the point that what they got on his teams was not related to recruiting infractions such as calling during dead periods, paying players, giving players extra benefits on recruiting trips, things like that. They didn't even catch him or his school for funnelling money to AAU coaches or programs or anything of that nature. They got his teams for Camby taking money from an agent and for Derek Rose not taking his own ACT, neither of which had anything to do with how he got his players.

As I've been saying, they can't get him on that piece of it, which is why this will continue until the system changes.
 

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RebelBruiser said:
but my post was more to the point that what they got on his teams was not related to recruiting infractions such as calling during dead periods, paying players, giving players extra benefits on recruiting trips, things like that. They didn't even catch him or his school for funnelling money to AAU coaches or programs or anything of that nature. They got his teams for Camby taking money from an agent and <span style="font-weight: bold;">for Derek Rose not taking his own ACT, neither of which had anything to do with how he got his players.</span><br style="font-weight: bold;">
As I've been saying, they can't get him on that piece of it, which is why this will continue until the system changes.
You can't be this naive or this stupid to think Cal did not have a hand in that. That is directly related to "how he got him" because without the ACT score, it's JUCO ball for Derrick Rose.
 

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"we can help you pass the ACT/SAT/get you eligible somehow" is a damn good recruiting strategy
 

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Despite his inherent advantages being associated with WWW, UK, and the AAU system, you have to give Cal credit where credit is due, he is a phenomenal motivator and communicator. I think that has to play into his recruiting history.

I live in Memphis, and generally hate all things U of M related, especially their basketball fans. However, I found myself buying into what he was selling in his local interviews and post-game commentary while he was the Tigers coach. I almost caught myself rooting for Memphis, just because of the way he sold his players and the school. The guy says all the right things and says them perfectly. Unless you have some preconceived biased hatred for the guy (not saying that's not merited in college athletics, I hate him now simply because he coaches UK), he can easily sell you on whatever message he's trying to communicate. If he wasn't a good bball coach, I guarantee he would be very successful at something else - he just has one of those unique personalities that can sell anything. Hell, he got that fat *** Pierre Niles to sign a contract saying he would drop a set amount of weight before even getting a jersey. That same guy quit mid-year on Pastner this season. He can get his players to do anything he wants them to do.

No doubt he has the previously mentioned advantages, but I'd still put my money on Cal getting a commitment out of a prime time recruit heads up against virtually any other head coach, even assuming the playing field was equal.
 

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I loved that 96 UMass team. Camby, Padilla, Traiveso, Dingle and Bright. Lou Roe the year before was good too. Cal didn't seem as smarmy back then. Just a guy at a smaller school with the team to stand up to the UK powerhouse. After his NBA failure and the subsequent Memphis job, it started to go downhill. I don't follow his every move, but it seems like DaJuan Wagner was maybe the start of it all.
 

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My point was that the NCAA has never been able to catch him on anything with Worldwide Wes or any of the REAL stuff that's going on.

Having a guy take someone's ACT is peanuts compared to what really goes on, and they can't get him on any of it because the system is set up to make it possible. The ACT was just an after the fact after they'd already landed Rose. What it took to get Rose in the first place would look much worse if the NCAA had any ability to do anything to the system that's in place.
 

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If you took away the AAU system, WWW, and the UK mystique (which I don't think sells much at all to recruits anyway these days), I'd bet Cal would still land a lot of quality talent, because you're right, he is a salesman.

We'll obviously never know for sure though because the system in place guarantees that he doesn't even have to sell very hard to get who he needs.