UK Needs Art Briles and Here's Why

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There is about a 1% chance that Briles will ever coach at UK. Even if UK fires Stoops this year and Mitch is willing to consider Briles, it is much more likely that he would go somewhere else, say in Texas.

Why is it then that some fans become "experts" on the Baylor scandal and spend pages and pages defending him? The same thing happened with Petrino a few years ago where a number of UK fans took time to learn all of the facts of his Arkansas escapades and develop arguments about how they were really no big deal (I think those some people now argue the other side, but whatever). My question is what motivates people to become so emotionally defensive about people who have no relevance to UK and most likely never will?
solid post, I've tried to argue the same thing. I think people are just frustrated right now, they are in a mood to fight. even if most here have enough sense to know UK couldn't get Briles no matter what, they want to argue that Barnhart's presumed refusal to do it is meaningfully representative of the kind of mindset that has given us a century of football futility.

Some people will literally say a winning football program is worth any shortcut. Those, I think, are a real minority. The more credible people on that side will say something like "Look, there is no such thing as winning the right way. That's a phrase for fools. Don't kid yourself, no one - no program - is squeaky clean. They are all dirty to some degree, it's just the nature of the sport. Insisting on remaining pure and refusing to even think about hiring a good coach with a little baggage is like taking a knife to a gun fight." I get that, I just think there are degrees involved. As I said yesterday, big difference between a jaywalker and a bank robber. Don't throw them all in the same pot......
 
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UofL is 13th in the polls this week, and climbing... I hope they recover from their terrible national perception...
well, if all you care about is where the football team is ranked, then you wouldn't care about any of the rest.

some people think all the bad press they've gotten - a list of scandals and problems longer than you could list - has a serious effect on the school and its reputation and the value of a degree from that school. in the face of all that, you can always say "well, they are ranked 13th, I don't care about all of that." to each his own.
 

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If anyone takes the time to really read all the stuff that came out of Waco you see that their was mixed feelings about him leaving. He had a 8 year, 40 Million dollar contract when all the crap hit the fan. The University had just spent 300 million on stadium improvements and many of the donors wanted Briles to accept a one year suspension but Briles didn't accept that and sued Baylor for breach of contract and unlawful termination.

He received 20 million when he settled. He himself said he will coach again in 2017.

Why does UK need him? Throughout his career he takes perpetual losers and turns them into winners.He did it at Houston and at Baylor. He would open up Texas as a real recruiting hub and is basically an offensive genius with the players he has on a team. He develops great QB play, ala Robert Griffen, and plays a style of football that scores points. Lots of points.

The U.K. Powers that be need to get with the program, accept what the fans want, bite the bullet, and hire this man at any cost. Any and all moral issues are foolish to even talk about. Barney needs to put the UK football fan first and put his morals in the basement. If he can't, his *** needs to be fired as well. Clean house at UK or go home. Trust me, if Barny received an email from the 30,000!plus who bought season tickets and it said your never supporting him until ha makes this change, then change will come.

Losers accept losing. UK fans are not losers but to keep on supporting this program which doesn't support the fan is foolish. Remember, all these Universities care about is money, not your team.


I'm so sick of hearing about Art Brilles Here is why we DO NOT want Art Brilles "
Fired Baylor coach Art Briles apologizes to sexual assault victims

there should not have been any sexual assault victims to apologize too.

Boom! MIC DROP!!
 
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Not true. I think he had 8 years left on his deal, so they owed him a lot more than 20 million. They settled to be done with it, to move on and get it out of the news, to prevent other embarrassing things from leaking. Happens all the time. Sometimes, galling as it might be, it's cheaper and wiser just to pay someone you really don't want to pay, to end the litigation and all that comes with it.

Ironically, Briles gave an interview just yesterday. From ESPN:

"I made mistakes. I did wrong"

If he didn't do anything wrong, he sure has a funny way of saying it.

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...briles-says-sorry-happened-watch-baylor-bears

He knows he needs to show some understanding and contrition. That is the first step to getting another job.
 

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well, if all you care about is where the football team is ranked, then you wouldn't care about any of the rest.

some people think all the bad press they've gotten - a list of scandals and problems longer than you could list - has a serious effect on the school and its reputation and the value of a degree from that school. in the face of all that, you can always say "well, they are ranked 13th, I don't care about all of that." to each his own.
I go to church and Sunday school for my faith. I go to a football stadium to see my team win. I have a professional degree from UofL. When they are brought up in the context of sports to me, it's what a lousy human being Petrino is, but what a damn good coach he is too. BTW, I haven't had a pay cut because I have a degree from UofL. Not expecting one either.
 

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I'm hearing there's a little-know HS coach from Texas, Bart Riles, that would have an interest in the job...
 
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I think this conversation about Briles is a bit ridiculous, but it will be interesting if he gets a job that is in a power five conference or even in a playoff div conference that is not power five. I suspect that national and local organizations will picket or protest on that campus. The school will take a PR hit. And, for the first year, at least, it will be repeated commentary during football games by the media. The school will get a lot of questions. It will be interesting who takes that PR hit.

If I was advising Briles, I would tell him to pick a couple of nonprofit organizations that deal with rape and domestic violence and start volunteering. I would also find a nationally recognized mentor to counsel me to a better understanding so I can be sure to recognize warning signs, understand how to help investigations and victims, and teach young men how to respect women. Start helping that next institution NOW deal with the fallout it will have later.
 
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We're on page 5 and still not a single person can say what Art Briles did. He is apparently pure evil, surely one person can say what he did.

The power the media has over the mindless sheep is amazing.
 
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We're on page 5 and still not a single person can say what Art Briles did. He is apparently pure evil, surely one person can say what he did.

The power the media has over the mindless sheep is amazing.

I am not playing your game. I have not condemned Briles for being "evil." But, I know the role of a coach. I know who is responsible for the players and for the assistant coaches. I know the harm that allegedly occurred repeatedly under his watch. I know the accusations of attempted cover up.

If those things happened at your school, would you fire the head coach?
 

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I am not playing your game. I have not condemned Briles for being "evil." But, I know the role of a coach. I know who is responsible for the players and for the assistant coaches. I know the harm that allegedly occurred repeatedly under his watch. I know the accusations of attempted cover up.

If those things happened at your school, would you fire the head coach?

I know you won't say what he did.
 

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And you won't answer my question. Your game is tiring. I am no Briles fan or foe, but your game is odd. Enjoy.
Game? It's a simple question. What did Art Briles do? How is that a game? Just say what he did or say you don't know. I feel like you're over thinking this.
 

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So you're rubber and I'm glue? ****, that's another question. My bad bro, I keep forgetting that questions are hard.

They seem to be. I think you have me confused with someone else. Or everyone else. I am sorry I responded to your question. I did not know it would be this involved.
 

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We're on page 5 and still not a single person can say what Art Briles did. He is apparently pure evil, surely one person can say what he did.

The power the media has over the mindless sheep is amazing.
Huh? He covered up for rapists so they could play ball. How did you miss that? Not that that should stop UK from hiring him. Unfortunately for UK fans it is more important to have moral superiority rather than winning football games.
 

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Huh? He covered up for rapists so they could play ball. How did you miss that? Not that that should stop UK from hiring him. Unfortunately for UK fans it is more important to have moral superiority rather than winning football games.
No he didn't. How the hell did he cover up for rapist. This is my issue, you guys can't say what he did then make up stuff. He covered up felons, really? Why isn't he charged with obstructing justice if he covered up women being raped? In which case did he cover up a rape? In which case did he not immediately boot a player off the team after he was charged with rape? He had players who committed rape but there is no evidence to suggest he covered up any of them.
 
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No he didn't. How the hell did he cover up for rapist. This is my issue, you guys can't say what he did then make up stuff. He covered up felons, really? Why isn't he charged with obstructing justice if he covered up women being raped? In which case did he cover up a rape? In which case did he not immediately boot a player off the team after he was charged with rape? He had players who committed rape but there is no evidence to suggest he covered up any of them.
it is amazing how the media can have an agenda, let that agenda color their 'reporting', and hardly anyone question a word of it.
 
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Why don't you quit being intentionally obtuse and ask Briles. He's the one apologizing for wrong doings. You're like a blind man insisting on seeing a video of a crime.

Just watched part of the interview. "I did wrong", "I made some mistakes," "there were some bad things that happened under my watch," "I was the captain of the ship. The captain of the ship goes down with it," "I am sorry," "I am going to learn, I am going to get better."
 

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Just watched part of the interview. "I did wrong", "I made some mistakes," "there were some bad things that happened under my watch," "I was the captain of the ship. The captain of the ship goes down with it," "I am sorry," "I am going to learn, I am going to get better."
So from Keysers perspective, he still hasn't actually said what he did wrong so no problem, sign him up. Smh. Thanks for the update.
 

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This thread is everything that is wrong with UK fandom. A fan base that burns UofL, UNC on a daily basis, now wants to bring in a new football head coach with not a blemish, not a smear but a big freakin gash across his reputation. We aren't talking about speeding tickets, DUI's, hell we aren't even talking about stealing from a 7-11...no, we are talking about systematic cover-up by Briles or at the very least those working directly for him of sexual assault of MULTIPLE women!!

Do some of you ever stop to think before you post. You guys want a program more like UT, Auburn, UofL, Baylor...at what cost? You are willing to sell your sole and the only good thing there is about UK football fan's for some damn wins?! Who cares if our kids sell drugs, rape women, etc...they sure now how to play football. SERIOUSLY?! Wins for a damn college team mean more than the flagship University of our state turning out QUALITY MEN?

So for those of you that want to bring in trash to get some W's...you're probably the same ones that get up and leave a game in the 3rd quarter, like you are some how as invested in the team as the coaches or players...why because you donate some fckin money?! Like that gives you some sort of voice or power? News flash ********, that money bought you those seats that you get up and leave from. I hope you guys get what you want for a couple years, if for no other reason than to watch you all cower away when the **** hits the fan, and any reputation you had or the University had is gone because of some goddamn wins!

I mean this in the most sincere way possible...some of you people are pathetic. You lack integrity, morals, and put football on a damn pedestal. I wouldn't let some of you clowns around children, that's for damn sure. I mean seriously, what do you all teach your children, to be liars, thief's, rapists??? Don't matter how you win son, as long as you don't lose. Jesus Christ some of you all are sick!


Good grief you're boring.
 

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and with all the uncertainty, a $4.5 mil/yr caliber coach might be had for under $2. Oh well, someone will ring the bell big time.
The NFL is more likely. What he was involved in was so bad I don't think a school can touch him.
 

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and with all the uncertainty, a $4.5 mil/yr caliber coach might be had for under $2. Oh well, someone will ring the bell big time.

Maybe, but an AD better know the whole story, because if you hire the guy and then you learn he tried to hide a culture of rape at Baylor, your program is going to take a $2 million hit.
 
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Just watched part of the interview. "I did wrong", "I made some mistakes," "there were some bad things that happened under my watch," "I was the captain of the ship. The captain of the ship goes down with it," "I am sorry," "I am going to learn, I am going to get better."

He did NOTHING WRONG!!! Why can't you just accept that and be done with it. Who cares what he said, he did NOTHING WRONG!
 

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werent you one of those 'petrino will never get another D-1 job' guys??
I don't think so, but I don't have a great memory either. I always viewed Petrino as a disloyal slime. That's doesn't usually preclude one from getting a good D-1 job. What Briles did should preclude him from it, but who knows, just look at this thread, many are totally fine with winning at all cost. I'm sure I did say I wasn't interested in Petrino. I'm still not.
 

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Why is Briles scum? What did he do? Not a single person can answer this. Typical sheep.
That's just it. He didn't do anything, except try to keep rape victims silent and keep the perpetrators on his football team. You would need to be awfully desperate to win football games (ie;UofL) to hire Briles. Baylor wasn't any good when he got there, but it will take them a decade or more to recover their program and their self respect.
 

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We're on page 5 and still not a single person can say what Art Briles did. He is apparently pure evil, surely one person can say what he did.

The power the media has over the mindless sheep is amazing.

I could use your exact reasoning to defend Rick Patino
 
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Briles wasn't doing much more if any more than Butch Jones and company were doing at UT. But Baylor being a religious based school had to do something and Briles was the something. That isn't saying Briles was completely innocent of everything, one of the key players involved was a transfer and the previous coach made Briles aware of why the kid was dismissed and he brought him in anyway and right off the bat he committed another sexual assault


What exactly did Butch Jones do? Suspend any player accused of anything until they were cleared by police. The only two players actually charged never played again.

He gets blasted by opposing teams fan based accusing him of covering up rape because the KPD gave him a two minute phone call letting him know one of his players was going to be arrested.

I think people forget that no one from the football staff ever contacted any of the girls, unlike Baylor. Also none of the girls ever said the football program or Butch Jones did anything wrong. None of them ever accused anyone of a cover up, unlike SEC fanbases like to think. It was specifically if the university handled the investigation properly of which there or like 170 similar investigations at schools currently.

What specifically would you have done differently? Kick the players off even though after months long police investigations they were not charged? Yale did that with the basketball player and he is suing them. What steps as head coach would you have taken.
 

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The NFL is more likely. What he was involved in was so bad I don't think a school can touch him.
Yeah, what he was involved in. There's a special place in hell for people who are involved in those things. He should go to prison for those things. Ill tell you what, well never hire a coach involved in those things. The media would have a field day because of what he did.
 

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I could use your exact reasoning to defend Rick Patino
No you can't and I can say exactly what Rick Pitino did. He had an affair with Karen Sypher in a restaurant on a table and paid her money, allegedly for insurance but she used it for an abortion. Also his assistant Andre McGee bought hookers for underage recruits, their parents, and players. Head coaches, hosts, and recruits have to fill out paperwork after official visits detailing the visit and confirming they received no illegal benefits. Pitino never accurately filled out this paperwork.


What did Art Briles do?
 
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