yep, same here. as I've said - the name, the pedigree, the Miami/FSU gigs, the recruiting....I said if this guy can't do it, I don't know that it can be done here. And here we are. I am not prepared to say he's a bad coach. Could be situational - put him in a different place, maybe he does very well. I damn well know there's an Indian burial ground somewhere in the vicinity. Here's the thing: while I can't swear he's a bad coach, I think I can safely say he's not a great coach, because great coaches are great from the beginning. You can see it coming, even before the results justify the conclusion. Tom Herman, example. I can't think of someone who "grew" into greatness. Beamer? Pinkel? Those aren't great coaches. I think UK, in this conference, fighting these headwinds, needs a "great" coach. Not sure that "really good" will do. Which of course is the dilemma. Would a "great" coach take this job to begin with? If he came, once everyone else figured out he was great, would he stay. It's a box.
UK Needs Art Briles and Here's Why
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Rape culture, as if he was encouraging guys to rape women. You sheep will use anything in place of the facts that you dont have.
Everybody knows it except for the people you ask. You guys never say what Briles did and continuously post a USA Today article which also doesn't say what he did. He so bad but not a single one of you can actually say what he did.
Briles will have his pick of top level jobs.....He will not be interested in coming to UK......
Yep. He will likely be in a bidding war b/t Auburn and LSU and any other SEC job (other than UK and Vanderbilt) that comes open. They will somehow be able to overlook his rape culture...
Oh look, another linked article I gotta read. I get it, the media said he was very very bad, my question is what did he do? What did he do? What did he do? Why is this so hard to answer? He's too big of a scumbag to ever coach here but you can't say what he actually did.
So I'm guessing only at UK does every single responsibility fall on the Head Coach, right? If his staff new what was going on, then he sure as hell knew about it as well. Reports of females going to the coach and calling the coach and nothing was done...yeah, that's pretty damning, and doesn't give him a lot of ground to stand on.
What violebce against women did he commit, what did he coverup? Guessing I wont get an answer. BTW, violence against anyone is bad.
A wise person would actually look at the link before putting their foot in their mouth. That is not an article. It is a 13 page summary provided to Baylor by the independent lawfirm they hired to review what went wrong. You know, facts and stuff. Would you like an article that quotes the 18 year old virgin Sam raped? You know, facts, it has a lot of them too, hospital reports and so on.
Interesting prediction. I do not agree, at this point. He has shown very little contrition and the story is ugly and embarrassing for Baylor and their football team. I don't think a top level program needs to risk that kind of PR hit.
Facts and stuff... that dont accuse Briles of anything. I keep asking what he did and after all that facts and stuff you still can't tell me. When people call Cal a cheater and I ask how they post links that don't actually say how he cheated too. They usually end up saying everyone knows it even though they can't provide any evidence. I think thats where you are.
I would just like someone to simply tell me what he did instead of linking articles to a bunch stories about rapes the occured at Baylor that he had nothing to do with. What did he do?
If I asked what Bobby Petrino did everyone would easily be able to answer, why can't you answer for Briles?
They don't name names other than coaches. Briles was in charge of all the coaches. His problem.
I haven't read the entire thread, but IMO Briles will not leave Texas, so it's most likely a moot point.
U.K NEEDS to hire a proven football coach, we can all agree on that. Our best option is Brohm, but will he come here? I say open up the bank because like all of you I'm sick of the losing tradition.
Yep, we're a basketball school, and I love my basketball Cats tremendously, but I also want our football program to at least be competitive in the SEC, and there's really no reason we can't be, but the key is a proven, big name coach who can recruit the south, Ohio, etc.
U.K NEEDS to hire a proven football coach, we can all agree on that. Our best option is Brohm, but will he come here? I say open up the bank because like all of you I'm sick of the losing tradition.
Yep, we're a basketball school, and I love my basketball Cats tremendously, but I also want our football program to at least be competitive in the SEC, and there's really no reason we can't be, but the key is a proven, big name coach who can recruit the south, Ohio, etc.
I thought the USA Today article said his staff encouraged women not to report the crimes. If true, what more do we need?
"According to the report released Thursday, Baylor coaches 'conducted their own untrained internal inquires, outside of policy, which improperly discredited complainants and denied them a right to a fair, impartial and informed investigation.'"
All in all entertaining reading as always. That makes these "fire Barnhart" and "fire Stoops" posts ludicrous. Posters make these comments out of emotion without any true knowledge of athletic department decisions. Who among you have hired employees that never worked out? Who among you lost jobs because it was decided you did'nt work out. Clearly, there are are issues to be addressed across our lives and careers. Perhaps posters feel better ripping players, coaches and the AD. So, please continue to entertain us with your rants and rage. It shows who you are and what you represent.
Wait, his staff knew what was going on? Did they organize these rapes? What exactly did they know was going on?
So the players raped women and the coaches found out about it, rushed over to the women before they could call the police, then encouraged them not to report it? How did that work exactly?
Yep. Barnhart is an idiot because he hasn't made uk a winner in football, when uk has never been a winner at football......There are no easy answers, otherwise we'd have done it by now.
I suspect your are just incredulous, but here is more info:
http://www.baylor.edu/rtsv/doc.php/266596.pdf
If he had been found guilty of anything, he would not have received 20,000,000. Of his contract. Briles is a great coach period.
Yep! It was a giant party on campus organized by the coach's. They brought all the girls in who thought it was a beauty pageant, only to see a bunch of naked football players who mercilessly forced themselves on the girls. The coaches were even giving play by play.
[eyeroll]
If Baylor wanted to drag it out they could have, but it would have made more people than just Briles look really bad, sooooo...you get a 20 mil buyout, Briles is gone, and others that were named have been replaced.
Not one person has said he isn't a good coach.
No I read the links and none of them same what Art Briles did. I keep asking and I just get more stories about the Baylor sexual assaults but nothing that tells me what he did to be a fault. So what is it exactly that Art Briles did?
Not true. I think he had 8 years left on his deal, so they owed him a lot more than 20 million. They settled to be done with it, to move on and get it out of the news, to prevent other embarrassing things from leaking. Happens all the time. Sometimes, galling as it might be, it's cheaper and wiser just to pay someone you really don't want to pay, to end the litigation and all that comes with it.
Ironically, Briles gave an interview just yesterday. From ESPN:
"I made mistakes. I did wrong"
If he didn't do anything wrong, he sure has a funny way of saying it.
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...briles-says-sorry-happened-watch-baylor-bears
He's also hired Jimmy Sexton. Sounds like the full court press is on to be back in a saddle somewhere in 2017.
There is about a 1% chance that Briles will ever coach at UK. Even if UK fires Stoops this year and Mitch is willing to consider Briles, it is much more likely that he would go somewhere else, say in Texas.
Why is it then that some fans become "experts" on the Baylor scandal and spend pages and pages defending him? The same thing happened with Petrino a few years ago where a number of UK fans took time to learn all of the facts of his Arkansas escapades and develop arguments about how they were really no big deal (I think those some people now argue the other side, but whatever). My question is what motivates people to become so emotionally defensive about people who have no relevance to UK and most likely never will?
Why is it then that some fans become "experts" on the Baylor scandal and spend pages and pages defending him? The same thing happened with Petrino a few years ago where a number of UK fans took time to learn all of the facts of his Arkansas escapades and develop arguments about how they were really no big deal (I think those some people now argue the other side, but whatever). My question is what motivates people to become so emotionally defensive about people who have no relevance to UK and most likely never will?
yep, I saw that. makes it sound like he's willing to leave Texas. (IOW, I can't imagine he hired Sexton and said "I will only work in Texas" but who knows).
The larger point about Briles is I don't know what he did or didn't do. But I think this is one of those cases where the truth and the facts don't matter - perception is everything. Any school that hires Briles is going to have a PR mess. And it would be unwise to minimize that. Some here are saying about Louisville "Well they took a little black eye when they hired Petrino back, but what long term damage has it done - how is it hurting them?" I think that's missing it - Louisville's rep took a beating nationally. The combination of Pitino's sex on the table scandal + rehiring Petrino + Hookers in Dorms have left UofL's national rep in tatters (not that it was great before - see Tom Brookshier, et al). I heard a national guy refer to UofL has having a "rogue athletics program." That doesn't go away just because people stop talking about it. Now, maybe if you take away the table sex and the Hookers In Dorms, and you're just left with the football hire, it's less pronounced, less damaging, and that's where UK would be. Hard to say - the point is, perception is reality, UK is trying to build/maintain a rep as a good school, and hiring Briles would go against that in a big way. I don't care how many buildings you build, how much fundraising you can point to, how many national merit scholars and award winning faculty, etc. - no one would know any of it. Everyone would hear about a Briles hire, because ESPN et al would beat it to death.
You did not ask what Briles did when I responded. You made what appeared to be an off the cuff comment about the staff intervening with regard to victims. The report gives more insight into that.
UofL is 13th in the polls this week, and climbing... I hope they recover from their terrible national perception...