He sure spent a lot of time apologizing for what he was involved in. I have no idea why you're still clinging to your ridiculous argument. Sometimes you just have to walk away.
UK Needs Art Briles and Here's Why
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Well if you'd bother to read the summary from the law firm, either he or his assistant coaches, or both actively protected Sam from rape allegations and according to the Boise St. coach, Briles knew exactly what Sam was, a guy willing to be violent with women. So he actively brought in someone who really should have already been in jail then he or his assistants (remember hat matters since you claim it with Pitino) actively protected him after he committed a violent rape. Then of course he just spent most of an interview apologizing. Not to mention other players guilty of assaults who were also protected by either Briles and/or his assistants.
Why are you still trying to protect Briles. He may be a decent guy who screwed up royally but it doesn't matter. He and or his assistants did the unthinkable, protecting a rapist and women batterers just so he could win games.
Briles wasn't fired. he agreed to have his contract bought out. the AD was fired.
are you talking about the finding of fact? that was not definitive as it relates to Briles. and it certainly did not suggest Briles did something illegal.
The apology was all part of Jimmy Sexton's plan to get him back on the sidelines in 2017.
Before you sentence him to a lifetime ban, you might want to read this.
http://www.kwtx.com/content/news/So...n-was-flawed-392649461.html?llsms=1329911&c=y
I read the article. I found some of the wording to intentionally obfuscate other facts. The Boise St. coach says he told Briles about Sams violent history. It also doesn't necessarily matter if the players ever played again. Briles hand may have been forced in both occasions. It also doesn't matter whether there was a smoking gun. Unless they are willing to publicly say the law firm was lying, coaches did act extremely inappropriately give the circumstances and if you want me to believe they took their actions without Briles knowledge, I simply can't do that. They also ignored other players accused of date violence and only mentioned sexual assaults.
I a not sentencing the man to anything. His actions and his program will cause him problems, not me. He has put himself in a position where any school would have to consider the likelihood of serious litigation if anything even resembling what happened at Baylor happened again.
All in all I'm not sure I've read an article recently that seemed so pro towards one party in a dispute.
the 'scandal' involved students, the footprint went beyond just ath dept. but I believe other teams involved.
GameDay crew is unanimous: Briles has forfeited right to lead a college football program. Unhirable.
Pretty harsh for someone who didn't do anything wrong. Heh
Pretty harsh for someone who didn't do anything wrong. Heh
All this talk brings up a relevant question:
What level of wrongdoing is required before you'll say, no, not that guy?
How much wrongdoing is enough to disqualify a good coach?
What level of wrongdoing is required before you'll say, no, not that guy?
How much wrongdoing is enough to disqualify a good coach?
That's an interesting question for our few who think it's no big deal. I'd like to see them answer it.
Watch this. What was Briles a part of and why do you guys keep speaking in code?
Apparently those one things that Briles did is the limit. That level of wrongdoing deserves a special place in hell.
Briles next job will be at Texas AM...like others said he won't leave that state and the Aggie alums are restless and ready to move on from Sumlin, Mark Ritche style... 9-3, 10-2 just isn't good enough down there.
We need to go after Brohm before someone else does...or Sumlin after A&M runs him off to get Briles.
Either could go 7-5 with this years roster and schedule...at least we would go bowling.
We need to go after Brohm before someone else does...or Sumlin after A&M runs him off to get Briles.
Either could go 7-5 with this years roster and schedule...at least we would go bowling.
Art Briles didn't coach at Louisville. therefore the holier than thou club has no problem with his baggage.
Here is what the information suggests: People's daughters and sisters were abused and raped by football players. Apparently, the victims were also abused further by coercion or other mechanisms to keep them from talking or bringing about a revelation. So, while there is cute and clever coach discussion, there are women who were treated like mud and a system that not only did not protect them, but tried to keep them silent. The harm was so atrocious that a president of a university lost his title and an AD fired. I doubt that was much of a restitution for the young women victims.
The CEO of that system was told he had to go. Regardless of what he knew or did, it was his responsibility to build a system that did not do the things reported. He was the captain and the buck stopped with him. No one could argue he did not fail in that responsibility.
His apologies and admissions seem to acknowledge that.
Briles exact part in the scandal is in a way irrelevant, when speaking about media backlash and why UK shouldn't hire him. Go rewatch the Gameday segment from today when Art Briles' name was brought up and that's all you need to know about what Art Briles part was.
“In some cases, football coaches and staff had inappropriate involvement in disciplinary and criminal matters or engaged in improper conduct that reinforced an overall perception that football was above the rules, and that there was no culture of accountability for misconduct,”
"Football staff conducted their own untrained internal inquiries, outside of policy, which improperly discredited complainants and denied them the right to a fair, impartial and informed investigation, interim measures or processes promised under University policy. In some cases, internal steps gave the illusion of responsiveness to complainants but failed to provide a meaningful institutional response under Title IX. Further, because reports were not shared outside of athletics, the University missed critical opportunities to impose appropriate disciplinary action that would have removed offenders from campus and possibly precluded future acts of sexual violence against Baylor students. In some instances, the football program dismissed players for unspecified team violations and assisted them in transferring to other schools. As a result, some football coaches and staff abdicated responsibilities under Title IX and Clery; to student welfare; to the health and safety of complainants; and to Baylor’s institutional values."
I dont nned to know facts, I just neee to know the medias reaction to him? Ha! No, that's not the way I operate.
So these women were raped, didn't report it to the police but reported it to Art Briles who then tried to silence these women. Is this right?
Since when is that not good enough at A&M? Do you even know their football history? The amount of BS that get repeated on here is staggering.
I don't remember ever posting that. You don't remember ever readying that in one of my posts. Your game is tiresome.
The fact is that no AD in the country knows whether the ongoing investigation is going to directly implicate Briles. That is good reason to stay away. But, we know Briles was responsible for his team and his staff. If the culture reported existed (culture, not an incident), he was responsible. He now knows that and says he is sorry. The fact that he seemingly did not know that before he hired Sexton is pretty throubling.
My point was that at this point...in situation such as Art Briles, he's damaged goods. He's being accused of covering up rapes and silencing rape victims so his exact role in that entire ordeal is essentially pointless because he's guilty by association because it happened on his watch and he was fired because of it. He could have honestly not known a single thing about what happened (not a chance) and had absolutely nothing to do with the events that transpired at Baylor (not a chance) but because he was the head coach during that and he was fired because of it...he's guilty and UK would get absolutely destroyed for hiring him.
This argument is a moot point. UK can't fire Stoops, Barnhart would never in a million years consider Art Briles and Art Briles ain't leaving the Mid-West/West Coast.
And Petrino was part of illegal hiring practices that could have exposed his employer to huge liability from an HR standpoint. Petrino also lied to his boss on multiple occasions and made a bad situation worse.
One of the biggest misconceptions around here is that Petrino is a "bad guy" b/c he's an adulterer and a cheater. The troubling part for most ADs (though I'm sure Mitch would be a notable exception since he is such a "character" guy) is not the adultery, it's the other items above.
With all of this said, UL's strategy clearly was to weather the storm and then when the wins come in, people will forget about the bad stuff. It's mostly working with Petrino, though the university itself has so many issues, it's hard to keep track of them all.
That's pretty damning. I started out in the against column and I'm becoming more so the more I hear. I fully understand that this could be another situation where we fail to hire a top coach that will win big somewhere else but I'll risk that here. This stuff is really serious and we don't need it.
That's not what is being alleged. What is being alleged is the women did report the incidents. The football staff then injected themselves into the investigation in a way that discredited the reports incorrectly. This had the impact of denying women access to a proper process that they could seek justice.
There's little debate on whether or not the sexual assaults happened. The only question was did Briles deliberately mishandle the situation or did he mishandle it because he and his staff are not well trained to handle these things. The defense of Briles has always been that they clearly are not trained for this and undoubtedly would handle it wrong as most college coaches would. And this doesn't exactly amount to a cover up.
The problem with that is the mounting evidence that the staff was well aware of the assaults and their action as a result look more like they intentionally mishandled the investigations so that the assaults would just go away. The fact that they were kicking the players off the team for undisclosed violations while they were at the same time publicly discrediting the women who raised the complaints to me illustrates that their actions were intentional.
Right, we're not talking about Petrino. We're talking about Art Briles. Petrino is guilty...thats been confirmed and what he did was illegal but lets not pretend that misusing state funds and banging a young co-ed is the same as aiding in covering up multiple rapes. I mean misusing state funds is nothing to dismiss, but its not even on the same planet as rape. In the eyes of the law they're the same but in the eyes of everyone else one is miles worse than the other. If some on here don't see the difference between what Petrino did and what Briles did then you're simply letting blind hatred for all things UL cloud your judgement.
Also.....I think UK should 1000% go after Art Briles. (Mitch never will and I highly doubt Briles would leave the Mid-West/West Coast) I was only pointing out the hypocrisy that some on here are supporting Briles while scoffing that they would ever hire Petrino.
Wouldn't call it BS, its been reported a lot since before the season started that he's on the hot seat. Didn't say I agree with it and the UCLA win quieted some of the talk but its all about what he can do in the SEC west this year or he could be gone.
http://www.espn.com/blog/sec/post/_...-in-trouble-at-texas-am?ex_cid=espnapi_public
http://www.bruinsnation.com/ucla-at...-a-m-aggies-preview-sumlin-is-on-the-hot-seat
http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/col...16/09/09/fair-texas-ams-kevin-sumlin-hot-seat
http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/col...trong-need-better-results-sooner-rather-later