They had no choice. Baylor is a christian college. They have zero leeway in situation that involve morale issues.
With the way Barney runs UK, I sometimes think we're a christian college.. unfortunately.
UK Needs Art Briles and Here's Why
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They had no choice. Baylor is a christian college. They have zero leeway in situation that involve morale issues.
With the way Barney runs UK, I sometimes think we're a christian college.. unfortunately.
We differ there. I love that Mitch has a moral compass. Much easier to trust.
The 2 aren't mutually inclusive. You can have someone who understands that winning is the main objection and still make good decisions that you can trust. Typically track record develops trust.
Barney has hired Joker, Stoops and Billy Clyde. Plus he locked Tubby up with a non-warranted huge extension when he played him against USCjr and gave Stoops a nice extension when all he proved is that he could recruit at a higher level than past coaches.
I'd argue that Barney's track record with revenue hires is bad and therefore he can't be trusted. But we'll be losing the right way!
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It was actually Baylor's christian rooted policies that got them in so much heat to begin with. Their policy was to punish the victims.
Track records develop trust only when someone is trustworthy. People with an ethic are consistent over time and are, therefore, trustworthy. People who live by an internal code that is premised upon their own glorification are usually not trustworthy when times get tough.
Winning at all costs is acceptable for some people, some of whom have been very vocal here. I am glad Mitch has an ethic. People can snark about him all day, but he seems solid.
There is a feeling on this board that we must hate these people and degrade them to disagree with them. We must call them names and lie about them. Most here that behave that way piss and moan and name call when they are called out. I choose Mitch in my foxhole over them any day of the week.
So, to clarify. Using the posters "reasoning" from the previous post. One could Argue that Rick didn't do anything illegal. You clearly state that Andre McGee was the culprit. That being said, Art Briles didn't rape anyone but he defended the lowlifes that did, he also( along with the university) ignored a federal mandate, sooo....See the logic. Or no???
I believe it was Briles who tried to cover over the rapes - not the administration at Baylor. Baylor, like many formerly Christian universities, has wandered far away from its roots. People who actually practice their faith would NEVER support rape on any level. It is antithetical to follow Christ and to allow this type of behavior in any way, shape or form to exist. A coach who puts winning ahead of violent criminality should never be considered a candidate for coaching young men and women in a college setting. Jmo
Look, another sheep making up stuff. This wont get answered of course, but I'll try again. Which rapes did Briles cover over?
Umm, no he didn't. You are lying, you are making up stuff, you are adopting BS you heard like every other sheep on this board. Which low life did he defend? Oh you cant name one? Yeah, because he didn't. What federal mandate did he ignore? Did he coach the players on what to say to the police like Michigan State did with Tom Izzo's boys? How the hell do you cover up a rape? Did he force the girl to shower to get rid of the evidence then force to not call the police? How did this cover up work? Oh wait, you're lying and cant answer that.
He's 60 years old and has never coached outside of the state of Texas. What makes people think that he could recruit here? We aren't going to get 10 Texas recruits a year. I don't know enough about the issue that forced him out at Baylor to have an opinion on it and i'll leave that to someone else. As far as from a football perspective, I would be worried about recruiting under Briles.
I haven't read much on the situation with Briles. So, I won't comment on that aspect of this conversation. We as fans should want coaches that have good character to coach and teach players to be not just good athletes but to set them up for success no matter what they do with their lives.
Mitch has to be able to find a coach with strong character and that can actually win football games. Can he make that decision on his own if Stoops doesn't work out, I can't answer that. His track record says no, but we all have to hope for the best. Mitch isn't getting fired and we all know that. That decision is out of our hands and even though many don't like him, we have no control over his job status.
Mitch has to be able to find a coach with strong character and that can actually win football games. Can he make that decision on his own if Stoops doesn't work out, I can't answer that. His track record says no, but we all have to hope for the best. Mitch isn't getting fired and we all know that. That decision is out of our hands and even though many don't like him, we have no control over his job status.
What kind of man assassinates another mans character to the point of saying he covered up rapes but can't provide any evidence to back up his claims or even say how he did it. I'll ask you guys for the 27th time, how did Art Briles cover up rapes?
Gotta ask, with respect, where has that compass led us?
It led him to hire Billy Gillispie and had we continue following that compass we never would have hired Cal. Women's Basketball and Baseball are also suspect compass readings.
Inept and moral are not the same thing.
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Ok, one last post on the subject. I believe the former Boise St. head coach, Peterson, when he says he told Briles all about Sam. That means Briles knew Sam was violent towards women. Then Sam got to Baylor and violently raped an 18 year old virgin, that is not in dispute. Even without the obfuscation claimed in the law firms report regarding football coaches, Briles intentionally brought in a thug who was violent to women and it escalated. I need nothing more than that. I guess you can claim Peterson is lying, but that would just be another pathetic attempt by you to mitigate the seriousness of what Briles did. Petersons statement puts any future university who hires Briles in a huge liability position. Even something as lame as the Tubman situation would result in the school being sued for incredible amounts, simply because they hired Briles and Briles brought in the player and Briles has a history of knowingly bringing in players who are predators towards women. Anyone who doesn't understand the significance of that liability has never run a business. Why you keep running in an ignorant circle trying to support Briles is beyond my comprehension. I really don't remember you being this daft. Let it go, Briles WILL NEVER BE THE UK COACH regardless of who the AD is and I thank God for that.
You ket Briles right his wrongs by making sure a % of his contract goes towards abused woman organizations and Briles will be held to do clinics for abused woman every off season. Lets say he gets 3 mill a year. 300 grand goes into a abused woman organization. It would be making things right and turning huge negative into a positive. Woman will get help and more funding for support, emotional, mefical etc... ans Kentucky would get a great head coach. A win win for both out of something that was horrible. Let the man try to redeem himself.
Again, you're trying to mitigate what he did. You can't. The liability a university would face after hiring him will not change by PR moves. That sounds like something UNC would do. I think he'll have to redeem himself from a position in the NFL.
you'll have to educate me on how he carries more liability than someone else would. you can insure for liability. are you saying the university would be dropped for coverage?
You're being intentionally obtuse at this point. I'm done with you on the subject as well.
Did Peterson tell him that he had domestic violence or that he was prone to rape women? Sam whatever his last name is wasn't even charged but Art Briles was supposed to assume that he was guilty and not only guilty, prone to raping women based on something that has no real correlation to rape? So what he did was sign a player who was accused of hitting a girl but never charged and not knowing based on that, that he would be a rapist?
If we use your wording the are several predators on this team, we've had more arrests than just about any team in the country these last 4 years. Did UK face a huge liability when Stoops gave known drug dealer Jason Hatcher a second and 3rd chance?
Every coach weve had has either signed or given 2nd chances to guys in similar situations as Sam. Rich Brooks had all those sexual assaults at Oregon, none of yall protested. He had to be a huge liability. I guess the media did tell you how to think on that one.
NFW. UK would never consider Briles, nor should they. That's the type of hire UL would make. We're way better than that.
Drugs is nothing like sexual assault, certainly not from a liability standpoint. What known predator has been brought in by Stoops or Brooks.
Domestic violence in which you're not actually charged is nothing like sexual assault but you keep making that leap.
So it's no big deal, or waving red flag, if you beat a woman but don't get charged. You live in a sad , twisted world. How about responding directly to your own strawman argument. What predater did Stoops or Brooks ever intentionally bring in? Let me help you, none. Briles can't claim the same .
Look another BS strawman argument. Did I ever say or insinuate that it's no big deal? You live in a pathetic world, you're pure sheep, and don't have the ability to think for yourself. Surely you're that stupid to get that out of what I posted? Ots a big deal if any beats a man, woman, child, dog, anything. It is not OK and have never said it was. Im saying assuming that it leads to rape is moronic.
I don't know if he beat a woman or not, he was never charged. Even if you believe that he did, sexual assault is not a natural progression from domestic violence. You act like because this scumbag may or may not have hit his GF that rape is a natural progression and is to be expected.
Former Atanta Braves coach Bobby Cox should never get another job, he beat his wife so he will likely rape next according to you. Ray Rice is probably really rapey, stay away from him. Warren Moon, Tommy Lee, Ozzy Osbourne, Chad Johnson, should we assume they're rapist too? Oh and Cal invited Deandre Liggins back for Big Blue Madness, what about the liability? He beat the **** out of his girl and is prolly a super predator according to you.
After all the the sexual assault issues at Oregon did Rich Brooks not sign an accused "predator" from OH, the DT that couldn't get into that other school? Dude has turned his life around so I wont mention his name but real fans know who I'm talking about and he had the same allegations Sam had. Ridge Wilson, recruited under Rich Brooks, signed by Joker Phillips. Stoops has had players who walked into a bar and assaulted another human being, they were allowed to stay on the team despite being "predators". Oh and what about the "predators" walking around campus shooting the airgun? What should we assume their next crime is gonna be?
Would you support hiring the Baylor AD? How about the Baylor President? After all, they were only in charge of a rotten mess, and they probably didn't intentionally do anything wrong.
Same thing goes for the Penn St. AD and President.
Nixon could have used that defense.
So could many of the Nuremberg war crimes defendants (oh wait, they did use that type of defense but it was rejected).
The bottom line is that the person in charge is held to a higher standard, and are responsible for what happens under their control. That's how Briles can be blamed for the actions of his assistants/players.
the 'higher standard' you speak of is not arbitrary and does not get to be defined AFTER incident. but would appear that's whats being done
Yes, you did and I'm not the one constantly sidestepping the issue. You minimized domestic assault because he wasn't arrested for it. Now try to stay on point.
So you're for the firing of Tom Izzo and Coach K, right? You're not gonna give them a pass because the media did too, right? You also believe that Coach Cal is a cheater too, right? I mean he is responsible for what happens under his control afterall.
I disagree with you about Cal. I realize that UL fans don't like Cal, but I do not see where Mitch's ethics were violated in that instance. And, once it was patent that Gillispie was a liability and treating students poorly, Mitch canned him.
I did not claim having a moral compass meant a person does not make mistakes. That is a common misperception of people who judge those who attempt to adhere to a high standard.
No I didn't. I just said that domestic violence leading to rape isn't a natural progression. O said he wasnt charged and no one really no what happened in a he said she said situation. How the hell is that minimizing domestic violence? Now try to stop making up ****.
Your whole point of he should have known that a guy accused of domestic violence but never charged would lead to rape is stupid. Anyone without a bias and common sense would agree would me. Let me type it out again. You think a coach who brought in a guy who was accused of domestic violence but never charged should have known that he would later go on to rape a woman. Make up some more BS about me minimizing DV to distract from your moronic point.
Is Briles thinking about switching teams? As for the question, I am in favor of North Carolinas law.