UL After Another Player Kicked Off The Team From UGA!
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I don't know this for sure , but I would bet there has never been a cocaine or heroin addict that didn't go thru weed first, same as all alcoholics take that first drink. My son is a heroin addict, but I blame it on no one but him...I don't consider it a disease as some do , but a choice. Still makes it no less gut wrenching with someone you love with all your heart..
sluggercatfan, my heart goes out to you.
I prosecuted for 16 years and have seen lots of stuff in my career. I smoked marijuana perhaps 10 times in my youth, but never used an illegal substance other than that.
I have prosecuted (and now defended) hundreds of drug cases from the initial bust/service of search warrants, through to the appeal, and I must respectfully disagree with the basic premise that weed is the major gateway drug to more serious drugs. From my own experiences, and those of clients and friends (and yes, family, unfortunately) the major gateway to all of it is and has always been alcohol and tobacco, the most damaging of substances ever used by mankind.
Without burdening you with lots of stories, let me relate one: Small town/country county search warrants and arrests often kind of turn into a sit-around, discussion, as the cops take hours to bag/document/find the stuff. One night, on my home "road", a country lane in south central Kentucky, at the home of people I had known all my life, I had some real interesting conversations.
The primary target of the night was sitting on the hood of one car, and I was on another. He asked after my Mom, who had taught him in school, and I had spent maybe 30 minutes petting his Pit Bull . . . . again, small town/country road type stuff.
A State Policeman pulled out about a thousand cigarette wrappers, and said, "Bull (that's his nickname), we are going to charge you with paraphenalia, for these wrappers." He looked at me and said "Hack (that's my nickname), if a man can legally smoke tobacco with those, how can I be charged?" The Trooper looked at me and kinda' smiled and shrugged his shoulders, about to give up on the charge, when I said, "Bull, not more than 30 minutes ago, you told us you smoked at least a nickle bag a day . . . . they can charge you on the wrappers based on your own admission." Bull laughed, and said, "Ah, Hell, that's right . . . ."
Anyhow, I asked him lots of questions about dependency that evening. I noticed he and I chewed the same brand of tobacco snuff, and I asked which of all substances he had used was the most addictive, and he related what I actually expected him to say . . . . . tobacco by far was the hardest to stay away from/get off of.
Anyhow, with the experiences I have seen and the people I have known, it is my opinion that we ought to legalize weed, stiffen punishment for other illegal substances, and use the tax revenue from weed sales to fund Drug Courts (the only effective remedy I have witnessed in now 30 years of working on this stuff).
And for those of you not in "the system" I can assure you of something that might (or might not) surprise you: possession of small amounts of weed has been essentially decriminalized for decades . . . . because misdemeanor incarceration is funded by local COUNTY governments, and not the state, the vast majority of counties chose to impose mandatory jail for more serious offenses than mere possession of less than 8 ounces of weed.
Right now, Kentucky is caught in the middle of a bad situation: we still charge folks on weed arrests, and spend some money on the issue. We make no money on the potential revenue stream that could be available to address other drug problems and social needs, and anyone who thinks weed won't be legal everywhere in 20 years is living in a dream world.
In short, I have used three (3) mood altering substances: tobacco, alcohol and marijuana. In my personal experience, the worst of these was alcohol, followed pretty closely by tobacco (it is between my cheek and scarred gum as I type), and the least of these was marijuana.
In conclusion, I issued thousands of arrest warrants for assault and domestic violence in 16 years as a prosecutor. I NEVER had a neighbor or spouse complain that "Bubba" had grown violent after smoking one joint too many.
I prosecuted for 16 years and have seen lots of stuff in my career. I smoked marijuana perhaps 10 times in my youth, but never used an illegal substance other than that.
I have prosecuted (and now defended) hundreds of drug cases from the initial bust/service of search warrants, through to the appeal, and I must respectfully disagree with the basic premise that weed is the major gateway drug to more serious drugs. From my own experiences, and those of clients and friends (and yes, family, unfortunately) the major gateway to all of it is and has always been alcohol and tobacco, the most damaging of substances ever used by mankind.
Without burdening you with lots of stories, let me relate one: Small town/country county search warrants and arrests often kind of turn into a sit-around, discussion, as the cops take hours to bag/document/find the stuff. One night, on my home "road", a country lane in south central Kentucky, at the home of people I had known all my life, I had some real interesting conversations.
The primary target of the night was sitting on the hood of one car, and I was on another. He asked after my Mom, who had taught him in school, and I had spent maybe 30 minutes petting his Pit Bull . . . . again, small town/country road type stuff.
A State Policeman pulled out about a thousand cigarette wrappers, and said, "Bull (that's his nickname), we are going to charge you with paraphenalia, for these wrappers." He looked at me and said "Hack (that's my nickname), if a man can legally smoke tobacco with those, how can I be charged?" The Trooper looked at me and kinda' smiled and shrugged his shoulders, about to give up on the charge, when I said, "Bull, not more than 30 minutes ago, you told us you smoked at least a nickle bag a day . . . . they can charge you on the wrappers based on your own admission." Bull laughed, and said, "Ah, Hell, that's right . . . ."
Anyhow, I asked him lots of questions about dependency that evening. I noticed he and I chewed the same brand of tobacco snuff, and I asked which of all substances he had used was the most addictive, and he related what I actually expected him to say . . . . . tobacco by far was the hardest to stay away from/get off of.
Anyhow, with the experiences I have seen and the people I have known, it is my opinion that we ought to legalize weed, stiffen punishment for other illegal substances, and use the tax revenue from weed sales to fund Drug Courts (the only effective remedy I have witnessed in now 30 years of working on this stuff).
And for those of you not in "the system" I can assure you of something that might (or might not) surprise you: possession of small amounts of weed has been essentially decriminalized for decades . . . . because misdemeanor incarceration is funded by local COUNTY governments, and not the state, the vast majority of counties chose to impose mandatory jail for more serious offenses than mere possession of less than 8 ounces of weed.
Right now, Kentucky is caught in the middle of a bad situation: we still charge folks on weed arrests, and spend some money on the issue. We make no money on the potential revenue stream that could be available to address other drug problems and social needs, and anyone who thinks weed won't be legal everywhere in 20 years is living in a dream world.
In short, I have used three (3) mood altering substances: tobacco, alcohol and marijuana. In my personal experience, the worst of these was alcohol, followed pretty closely by tobacco (it is between my cheek and scarred gum as I type), and the least of these was marijuana.
In conclusion, I issued thousands of arrest warrants for assault and domestic violence in 16 years as a prosecutor. I NEVER had a neighbor or spouse complain that "Bubba" had grown violent after smoking one joint too many.
The amount of falacy in the first sentence is unnerving. I know people that have done plenty of cocaine and heroin and their use of those drugs had absolutely nothing to do with marijuana. As a matter of fact they were drunk most of the time but alcohol would never lead to the self-destructive behaviors you mention...only alcoholism.
Sorry for your son's problems, but it's not because of weed.
The-Hack, you should give the nicorette a try. It seems like I kept a dip in for 20+ years and I haven't bought a can in two weeks. I agree with everything you said, because it is the honest truth.
LOL
While it seems Hack knows what he is talking about, snuff is about the most disgusting habit I can think of except for maybe chewing tobacco, if I had a blind date with a beautiful woman and she was using either the date would last about ten seconds-------unless I could find the door faster. Also plenty of cancer worries from all forms of nicotine it seems like.
I can't imagine any reason to try any form of tobacco with the risk of getting hooked on it and wasting a good portion of your health, whether you are lucky and don't get cancer or not-------and while cancer is one of the cures for smoking the other effects are maybe more harmful in the long run.. Even in high school in the fifties as a football player smoking was banned for players------during the playing season.
But by far the hardest thing in the world for me to imagine is why anyone would ever try meth as addictive as it is when you see the pictures of otherwise attractive women arrested for meth in their twenties that look like they are fifty-------or a lot older.
No ;you wouldn't have something at Thug U, and probably not at Transfer U either, proven at Thug U from the case where they got their name, the EIGHT football thugs that assaulted TWO men minutes apart, kicking them in the head while DOWN and sending at least one victim to the hospital with a concussion.
ZERO charges for the assaults, although there was beau coup evidence.
But their AD (since resigned) stated before they bought off all the rape victims (best money they ever spent) that athletes at Thug U weren't treated any different than any other student. What a joke, and probably the reason he resigned, such a stupid statement..
By the way, I got caught up in watching some of the crimes/mystery shows lately and was amazed at how many "guilty" felons were proven innocent after years in prison, lots from the new DNA evidence. Also amazed at how the DA in so many cases with CONCLUSIVE proof the person wasn't guilty fought tooth and nail to keep them in prison. It made me reach the conclusion that one of the requirements for being a DA should be that they spend a year in prison to see what the punishment they are meting out is really like. But then I guess for some of them it is like Transfer U football, just win baby. How do you feel about that, good idea or not? LOL.
Also reminded me of a book that should be required reading for any person interested in how our justice system sometimes works, Adams vs Texas, where the Dallas DA NO DOUBT railroaded an Ohio man to death row for about 8 years then a chain gang for another 6 before the real murderer finally murdered another man, and while he didn't confess outright was the straw on the camel's back that finally got the innocent man out of prison. Not sure there was any compensation though, that happens a lot also.
But I think most of the people reading the book probably missed the most important point of the book, on the last page the DA was brought before the Texas Bar Association for possible punishment and they decided that he DID NOTHING WRONG. Proving to me, once again, that lawyers stick together like thieves--------because a lot of them are, LOL again.
NOT that there aren't a few good lawyers in the world, like there are good and bad among all races, groups nationalities, religions, etc, the lawyers that fought f9r this man for years for example.. Hell, there might even be a few good people on Transfer U's football team.
A really gripping book, well worth reading, I think they made a movie about it.
He is on a official visit to Alabama right now and very likely to commit to them.....so apparently he good enough for Nick Saban and the Crimson Tide...even if he was arrested 3 times in 7 months...
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