Until some of structural problems are solved that limit MSU football
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I'm not certain what the other problems are. But firing Mullen at year's end would not bode well for hiring a coach considered to be any better. Given our dismal football history, any sane man would look at it and think what a bunch of dumbasses. I'm still looking for proof that Hudspeth is even interested now. He's the pride of Lafayette and they're expanding their stadium, he may be a hot commodity at end of this year and take another job. If so, hasta lavista as far as State is concerned. I'm still not convinced that he would do a better job than Mullen..at State.
Yeah, we'd be lucky to even get an interview.**
Why would a coach want to make at least $2.6 million a year (with a few incentives), not to mention he could leave at any time?
Why would a coach want to coach at team that is practically guaranteed to play on TV every weekend?
Why would a coach want to compete in the best conference, where all he has to do is win two conference games and 4 cupcakes to make a bowl?
Why would a coach want to be part of a program where the university recently upgraded its facilities?
Why would a coach want to coach a team where the fans demand a good product on the field and not marketing smoke-n-mirrors?
Why would a coach want to make at least $2.6 million a year (with a few incentives), not to mention he could leave at any time?
Why would a coach want to coach at team that is practically guaranteed to play on TV every weekend?
Why would a coach want to compete in the best conference, where all he has to do is win two conference games and 4 cupcakes to make a bowl?
Why would a coach want to be part of a program where the university recently upgraded its facilities?
Why would a coach want to coach a team where the fans demand a good product on the field and not marketing smoke-n-mirrors?
I always wondered why we could never get over the hump. the answers pretty simple. Our fans don't expect it. Hell, they'll make every excuse to rationilze why we shouldnt expect it.
Ejnoy your beatings DAWG fans...you deserve nothing better***
Ejnoy your beatings DAWG fans...you deserve nothing better***
I absolutely agree. That's why Dan hasn't left. There's a difference between expectations and results. This describes many coaches and Dan is readily replaceable. But Dan is wearing out his welcome on a weekly basis.
I've seen the product on the field. I've seen the descent from 2010 to the present. If I knew that Dan could change, I would would agree with you. It's either Dan changes or State changes.
The question is "Why"? Why has this team gone down so rapidly. Yes its on Dan but there are (I believe) impediments inside the athletic dept and maybe the university hierarchy that's preventing him from taking this program upward. If its the NCAA butt kisser, he needs firing, if its SS he needs to be let go. If its only Dan and Dan has gotten lazy..then he needs to fired @ season's end. But I dont' think its Dan
Something's amiss and the something amiss has affected Mullen adversely. It's as if his entire persona has changed and it started mid year last year. Whatever it is probably wouldn't be resolved with a change in the head coach. State seems to be 17'ed in football because of some unknown powers that be. "We have seen the enemy and the enemy is us." ...Pogo
Why are these things considered mutually exclusive?
Hudspeth has all the power right now. He can demand whatever changes he wants on the front end with the threat to walk if he doesn't get it. A majority of our booster structure wants Bracky gone as well, so that one would almost be a lock to happen during a coaching change I'd think. The fact that Hudspeth has direct lines of communication to our booster structure kinda takes Stricklin out of the picture to an extent as well. He's going to do what they tell him to do -- or he's going to be job-hunting as well...
If I were Hud, I'd have a list of demands sent to Strick that the boosters had already agreed to basically forcing his hand...
Keep Dan, and hire somebody who recruits well in Mississippi and the rest of the south. We know why the high-star players are going to Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU ... but why are they going to the Bears? They offer no more, on the surface, than we do.
i disagree...dan has exposed himself as someone that is not very intelligent, not dim, just average...thats a huge deal to me. he gets goaded into bad decisions (going for 2 after first td at auburn), doesnt understand the game (not calling a TO to force an official review in his loss to houston), is too block-headed or stubborn to hire a sp teams coach despite it being a glaring weakness since he has been here, promoting graduate assistants to major positions coach that ends up getting us in deep **** with the ncaa, i could do this all day. he has shown himself to be ill-prepared to compete with elite coaches and on top of that, he cant keep his head above water in recruiting. hes not stupid, just average in a league full of average coaches with elite talent or great coaches with elite talent and everything in between. if we dont have a leg up in either coaching or talent, we cannot win at a sustainable level in the league. that is where we are now.
i agree with you larger point though....our problem is multi-factorial. we have little spot fires all over the place and seemingly, every time we stomp one out, another starts. stricklin is a problem, bracky is a problem, recruiting is a problem, coaching is a problem, on and on. its almost as if we need to triage our problems because we have so many with varying degrees of urgency.
i agree with you larger point though....our problem is multi-factorial. we have little spot fires all over the place and seemingly, every time we stomp one out, another starts. stricklin is a problem, bracky is a problem, recruiting is a problem, coaching is a problem, on and on. its almost as if we need to triage our problems because we have so many with varying degrees of urgency.
I can't refute hardly any of your pts Shamoan
esp the last paragraph. I simply want to put out all the fires outside of the coaching and see if Dan is a good coach or a 1-trick pony.Otherwise, he needs to be let go
Maybe Hud does have that kind of power but just wondering how the coach is tied to the compliance officer? If there are enough wanting the officer changed with the major boosters then it can be changed easily enough with or without Hud. If the administration is on the same page with the boosters. I think though no matter who you are looking to hire you can negotiate some of that stuff but you absolutely cannot give that much power to the coach and boosters. The administration has to maintain control but when they are able to be on the same page with athletics and boosters for the most part then it's usually successful. It also makes you worry about a LT Jimbo situation and then end up with a Croom hire. A lot of dynamics and if the administration is not on board it will fail. They may succeed in getting rid of Keenum and/or the AD eventually but not before they have made a coaching hire.
Ah...you remember that little slip Dan made back in 2009 vs Houston. That was the first time I questioned Dan as a coach, when he disregarded a call that kept him from going bowling in year one.
I've been saying this for a while now..Dan is not a head coach! He doesn't have the know how. He is best suited to a coordinator, position coach role. I think Dan is a very cool, loyal guy, but he's in over his head! People keep saying we can't do any better and it's pissing me off!!! For our own fans to say that **** is ridiculous! I'd like to make a change now because we aren't gonna have anything to lose, I promise you! I see us struggling to get to six next year. Tell me why I'm wrong...
Are you wrong on us struggling to wins 6 games next years? I don't if you are on that point. The poplar theory however from a segment of the ones who want him gone this year is they are afraid he will win 7-8 games next year and we can't fire him then. That kind of gives me the impression that a majority of the people will predict the 7-9 win catergory.
I am curious as to what part of your program Mullen is not running?
It appears that to this point Mullen has gotten everything he's asked for.
It appears that to this point Mullen has gotten everything he's asked for.
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Can't believe I never realized before today that Bailey Howell is the problem with MSU athletics.
So the lost, confused, and seemingly indifferent attitude of our previously cocky coach is because of our administration and not because we ended last season playing the best in the league who handed us our asses?
I think Dan finally has come down to earth after all of the "championship" and "OUR State" talk. He doesn't believe his own schtick anymore and neither do our players. We lost in epic fashion after playing a bunch of powder puff teams and down SEC teams. The blowouts made him lose that attitude. We have needed a big win to get it back. USC was a perfect chance and so was OK State.
I am not saying our compliance and administration has been particularly helpful, but a lot of that same staff was in place when we were kicking Michigan's ***.
I think Dan finally has come down to earth after all of the "championship" and "OUR State" talk. He doesn't believe his own schtick anymore and neither do our players. We lost in epic fashion after playing a bunch of powder puff teams and down SEC teams. The blowouts made him lose that attitude. We have needed a big win to get it back. USC was a perfect chance and so was OK State.
I am not saying our compliance and administration has been particularly helpful, but a lot of that same staff was in place when we were kicking Michigan's ***.
You maybe right Der, but I'd want to be dead sure
that everything has been righted before we can him. I'm not agreeing but not disagreeing I-ther. Still, you've hit on something.............the attitude.
Dan does not seem to have an "in between" attitude. It ranges from the" cocky, I got this" to "I wish I was on some island right now."
His swag rubbed off and now that deer in the headlights seems to be rubbing off.
aGAIN, I wished that we'd have hired a mid-level coach that was successful (N. Ill, Miami of Ohio)
and then translated that exp into the SEC. Dan's main problem he's never been a HC before hitting the SEC.
that everything has been righted before we can him. I'm not agreeing but not disagreeing I-ther. Still, you've hit on something.............the attitude.
Dan does not seem to have an "in between" attitude. It ranges from the" cocky, I got this" to "I wish I was on some island right now."
His swag rubbed off and now that deer in the headlights seems to be rubbing off.
aGAIN, I wished that we'd have hired a mid-level coach that was successful (N. Ill, Miami of Ohio)
and then translated that exp into the SEC. Dan's main problem he's never been a HC before hitting the SEC.
It wasn't just at the end of the year. I noticed the apathetic attitude at the beginning of the season. I explicitly remember the ESPN broadcast against Alabama where he got off the bus trying to pump up the crowd. I thought to myself that it's fake because I hadn't seen any positive emotion anywhere near that all year - or thereafter for that matter.
Did he somehow forget how to be cocky or was it a show to outdo Houston Nutt?
Did he somehow forget how to be cocky or was it a show to outdo Houston Nutt?