Update: MSU 103 in total offense, Michigan 109

[DawgatAuburn]

MSU 311.4 ypg
Vandy (47 in total defense nationally)
UT (5)
MTSU (66)
Kentucky (12)
Bama (16)
Arkansas (87)
Ole Miss (53)
TOTAL (286)

Michigan 291.8
Toledo (76)
Penn State (8)
Michigan State (56)
Purdue (108)
Minnesota (62)
Northwestern (37)
Ohio State (18)
TOTAL (365)

State (Brutius) has the lead right now, but Michigan (Coach34) has the slightly easier schedule down the stretch. Can they make up 20 yards per game? Stay tuned.......

 

[DawgatAuburn]

MSU 311.4 ypg
Vandy (47 in total defense nationally)
UT (5)
MTSU (66)
Kentucky (12)
Bama (16)
Arkansas (87)
Ole Miss (53)
TOTAL (286)

Michigan 291.8
Toledo (76)
Penn State (8)
Michigan State (56)
Purdue (108)
Minnesota (62)
Northwestern (37)
Ohio State (18)
TOTAL (365)

State (Brutius) has the lead right now, but Michigan (Coach34) has the slightly easier schedule down the stretch. Can they make up 20 yards per game? Stay tuned.......

 

[Croomp]

After our victory over Vandy this weekend our offense will break the 100 mark. And in the lockerroom a wild celebration will erupt for our upset in the Offensive rankings. Crxxm will weep and his favorite words 'Character' and 'Pride' will be repeated by him in the postgame. Soon Crxxm will tell everyone how we are on the rise to stardom and Atlanta is right around the corner(2-4 baby!!). In the following week after the Vandy game the press and the fans will learn that the football game against Tennessee will not be played. Instead there will be a food eating contest between Sly Crxxm and the unstoppable Fatty Phil. With guest contestant Takeru Kobayashi competing for ***** and giggles. What will they be eating? Offensive schemes and gameplans that date back to 2004 and all the way to October 11, 2008.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

While the rankings stayed the same, Michigan cut the deficit from 20 ypg down to 9. Both teams have top 10 defenses to deal with this week though. Michigan still has by far the easiest schedule upcoming.

Things like this give me something to do.

MSU 300.7 ypg
UT (21st in total D)
MTSU (64)
Kentucky (16)
Bama (10)
Arkansas (59) ***(was 87th in total D before playing Auburn)
Ole Miss (53)
TOTAL (223)

Michigan 291.5 ypg
Penn State (8)
Michigan State (68)
Purdue (95)
Minnesota (83)
Northwestern (37)
Ohio State (12)
TOTAL (303)

 

[Brutius]

seeing the spread offense at Michigan scoing 10 points and losing to Toledo. I've noticed that coach34 hasn't mentioned the great Rich Rodriguez lately. He was too busy being mad that MSU won.

It's gonna be close down the stretch, I need MSU to have game like last year's Kentucky and/or Arkansas and roll up 400-500 yards. Hopefully we can do that since we still have MTSU and Arkansas on the schedule. Michigan has shown that they can throw up a terd against any defense but they also broke out against ND which is why they aren't lower than they are.

It will be interesting to watch....

 

[lawdawg02]

isn't a slow white guy trying to run richrod's spread? he's obviously not going to have the success that white had running the show (especially with slaton, reynaud, and devine).

with a scheme like richrod's, it's going to take more than one year to get your type of players in the system (when you have a specialized system like their spread). of course, if he had landed terrell pryor this year, the numbers may be drastically different. i'm not saying it takes 5 years to get players to fit your scheme, or that it should take at least 4 years to learn an offense, or even that the spread is the greatest offense ever. i'm just saying that it's probably a little early to be judging richrod's offense based on it's success at meeshigan.

i also think it's ridiculous to compare our offense (in year 5) to meeshigan's offense (in year 1), and say "see, the spread isn't so great after all."

 

[Brutius]

coaching guru Rich Rodriguez is doing the same thing everyone bitches at Croom about, trying to run an offense with players that don't fit into the system. Or you are saying that it's way easier to have a good offense when you have 3 or 4 future pro's in skill positions. Either way I agree with you.

 

[8dog]

he's been successful everywhere he's been. He would just assume sacrifice a season or 2 to go ahead and get his system in place b/c he knows it works....or at least it has at Tulane, Clemson and WV.

But I don't disagree with your post...he is doing exactly what Croom was doing and yes, its always easier to do everything with more talent.

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

as a matter of fact, he's lining up a damn good recruiting class for said system

 

[Xenomorph]

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[DowntownDawg]

...I'd put it on the side of Rodriguez being "fine," but being fine is not what Michigan wants. They want to challenge for a conference/national championship year in and year out. And as top heavy as the Big 10 can be, he'll have trouble repeating what he did at West Virginia because 1)the Big East is a weaker conference and 2) I'd be willing to bet that the next Steve Slaton/Pat White combo will take a while to get into town. People underestimate those guys all the time. Those were two uniquely talented names in one backfield, not the products of a "system." I bet he'll do well against Indiana and Northwestern, and I bet he'll struggle with the upper echelon of the conference.

 

[Brutius]

that he will be better than Croom, I just find it hard to believe that Michigan is void of talent in all areas of the offense. I would be willing to bet that Michigan has way more 4 and 5 star recruits than MSU does currently. It would be one thing if he was coaching at Gardner Webb and needed to recruit better talent, but he is at freaking Michigan.

I am sure he will eventually have a better offense than 109th, I guess that's a good thing for Michigan.

 

[lawdawg02]

trying to run an offense with players that don't fit into the system.

there are several obvious differences.

(1) rodriguez's system has been proven to work in college. croom's "system" might not work even with all-stars.
(2) rodriguez is in year 1. there's always going to be the problem of not having the right players for your system. that is a legitimate excuse in year 1. not year 5.
(3) rodriguez will have the talent. michigan can sign blue chip prospects. rodriguez simply has to bring in the next terrell pryor or vince young. his QBs will probably be much better at michigan than they were at WV because he won't have to reach for relatively unheralded prospects like pat white. croom, on the other hand, is looking for the next joe montana to lead his WC offense, while msu has never even had a trent dilfer.

 

[Coach34]

was Michigan had quite a few transfers after R-Rod got the job...some of those 4 and 5 star guys took their business elsewhere

 

[Stormrider81]

%!*@*$$ has stated that the spread is great because you can mold it to fit your players. Well, Michigan is obviously having trouble with that. The whole "they don't have the player yet" argument should be thrown out when discussing the spread because part of the mythology of the spread is you can run it with whoever you have on roster.

Rodriguez will be successful at Michigan, but the fact is the spread isn't all that different from any other offensive system. When you have the players to fit the system it works well, when you don't it doesn't. When you have great players on offense, things tend to go easier for you. Perhaps this will put to bed the ridiculous claims made about the spread.</p>

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Brutius still leads the great Total Offense Wager, but just barely. Michigan trails by only 21 yards through nine games. After this week, the stats get a little skewed due to the open dates, but this one has all the makings of a barn burner which may ultimately be decided on the gridiron at Oxford, Mississippi. Michigan will have wrapped up their season a week earlier, so we will all know the number of yards Crxxms has to put up to make Brutius the victor. Expect Coach to take the lead this week though, and hold it for the next two weeks, if not for the duration. Your loyal watchdog will be here to report the statistics as they are available.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">MSU 295.9 ypg (2663 yards)</span>
Bama (4th nationally in total D)
Arkansas (78)
Ole Miss (56)
TOTAL (138)

<span style="font-weight: bold;">Michigan 288.0 ypg (2592 yards)</span>
Minnesota (65th nationally in total D)
Northwestern (46)
Ohio State (12)
TOTAL (123)

 

[dawgstudent]

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[Brutius]

which I have a feeling I could do a lot easier than coach34.

Whoever wins, one thing is for sure, both Croom and Rodriguez suck when they don't have Steve Slaton and Pat White.

 

[8dog]

as stated above, Rodriguez has been successful everywhere he's been. Sure, he, like everyone, needs some degree of talent, but it doesn't take a White/Slaton combo for Coach Rod to be successful.

 

[Brutius]

if he is 109th in offense. I don't give a crap what you say, if you are an offensive genius like everyone claims him to be, you will find a way by the 9th game in the season to get more than 300 yards of offense. It's not like he is coaching at Prairie View and is devoid of talent totally.

I'm sure I will lose the bet after MSU has about 93 yards of total offense in Tuscaloosa, but it doesn't say much about Rodriguez that he is fighting down at the Croom level of total offense.

 

[8dog]

you wouldn't expect him to go 6-6 at a great school like Alabama and you sure wouldn't think he would lose to La Monroe. But **** happens. Rod's resume is overwhelming proof that he is not reliant on Slaton and White alone.

 

[Brutius]

Year before Saban: Alabama was 6-7.
Year before Rodriguez: Michigan was 9-4

Sabans first year: 7-6
Rodriguez first year: 2-7 and 109th ranked offense

So Saban put in his new schemes and maintained at least the status quo. Rodriguez the offensive mastermind comes in and goes from 9-4 to 2-7. Saban has never been known for offensive prowess, he wins by having a great defense and being a great coach. Rodriguez is failing at the one thing he is supposedly good at.

Is Rodriguez better than Croom? Anything is better than a pile of crap.

edit: I gotta change my sig

 

[graddawg]

That 9-4 Michigan team also lost the #1 overall pick along with 4 year starters at QB and RB plus its best WRs.

 

[patdog]

to at least qualify for their 34th straight bowl game this season. And Rodriguez ran off a pretty highly recruited QB pretty much immediately, so you really can't blame Carr for Michigan's QB problems.

 

[RobbieRandolph]

I loathe both Meeechigan and the Big 10, so regardless of who wins the bet, I'll enjoy the big blue's suckitude; which reminds me that we still suck. Damnit, c'mon basketball season.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

They were in this thread.

http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/reply/66108#reply-66108

I know Brutius is crazy, but he usually doesn't reply to imaginary posts.

Edited because P e a c h e s came up as +!#$*%*.

 

[dawgstudent]

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[Coach34]

South Carolina is 3rd in the nation in defense

 

[Brutius]

I never thought they would be that good the entire year. Of course I'm sure you didn't think Michigan would be 109th in total offense at the 9 game point either.

 

[Coach34]

I thought SC may have the best back 7 in the nation....I had doubts about their front, but they have played well. I also counted on them being better coached this year. Worked out to be a good prediction.

Michigan is another story. I didnt realize they had lost as much as they had offensively until Colin Cowherd was talking about it a few weeks ago. He was saying they had 4-5 transfers on offense because of R-Rod getting the job....Oh well, the way our season has gone, its actually one thing that is halfway interesting each week to check and see who is leading...

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Michigan used a 435 yard performance against an average Minnesota defense to vault to 104th in total offense. The bye week Bulldogs check in at 106. The lead change was expected, and given the Bulldogs' date with Bama, the gap could widen this week before narrowing the following week. It still looks like it will be decided on the day after Thanksgving. Sadly, this is the most exciting part of the 2008 MSU season to me.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">MSU 295.9 ypg (2663 yards)</span>
Bama (4th nationally in total D)
Arkansas (76)
Ole Miss (55)
TOTAL (138)

<span style="font-weight: bold;">Michigan 302.7 ypg (3027 yards)</span>
Northwestern (58th in total D)
Ohio State (7)
TOTAL (123)

 

[Coach34]

so they put in his back-up with more speed and he put on a show...Northwestern gives up 350 a game...could be another banner day for the Wolverines