Update: need some advice

Shamoan

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For those of you who have been keeping up with my issue, I had a second meeting today with the academic school in question. It appears as though I will have to climb the appeals ladder fairly high. Based on information provided by some of the sps posters (THANKS), I forwarded the University's policy to the Associate Dean of my respective school for review. Ultimately, he cannot make the decision to reverse my grade, however, he is valuable insight to how the school will be viewing my case as I assume that his stance will be reflected by the Dean.

Based on this meeting, it appears that the syllabus DID in fact violate the University's "F grade" policy, however, the syllabus, prior to being implemented, had to be approved by the undergraduate council. This may be confusing, as I stated that I was a grad student. By most standards, that is correct. I am technically NOT a grad student, but I am also not an undergraduate student either. I am seeking a professional 7 year degree, but it is neither a graduate degree or undergraduate degree. This would make a lot more sense if I was able to disclose what program I am in, but many of you can accurately deduce that if you are familiar with the program.

Anyway, essentially, the undergraduate council charged with reviewing and approving the syllabus, was either unaware of, or overrode the University's policy that to award a grade of F, the grade must be based on "the combined evaluation of work through the semester". The schools position appears to be that despite the syllabus violating University policy, [FONT=arial, sans-serif]I will be held to what the syllabus states regardless of whether or not the syllabus itself is contradictory to University policy, citing that it was approved at the beginning of the semester by the undergraduate council and therefore will be upheld. To me, it appears that the undergraduate council did not do its job in filtering out policies that were contrary to University policy, and as a result, I will be held to the syllabus and awarded the F. Additionally, there is not anything in the student handbook or University policy indicating that the syllabus supersedes University policy. As a matter of fact, the syllabus is only mentioned twice in the handbook and in neither case is it applicable to my circumstances. I was expecting a much stronger argument for the school's position on the matter, so I am encouraged that, out of all the verbiage in the school's and university's policy and guidelines, there was nothing to back-up the assumption that the syllabus supersedes university directed policy. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]A few things to clarify are that the school IS subject to the undergraduate policy (a relief for me, as graduate policy is convoluted and designed to offer more flexibility to the graders) and that the F policy is applicable to my situation, as I am under the umbrella of undergraduate coursework. [/FONT]

Additionally, the Scholastic Standards Committee has been petitioned to review this policy, as it may or may not be an academically acceptable. Per the Associate Dean, half of the academics like the policy and the other half disagree with the policy. The syllabus stipulation has only been in place 18 months and has claimed 4 students, myself included. One of the students earned a B in the course based on percentage (EVEN WITH THE sub-69.5% on the final) and will be forced to repeat the entire year as well. Even worse for him, he is getting married over the summer to another student in the program and because the school has two campuses based on progression through the program, he will be separated from his new bride. She is advancing through the program and he will be forced to repeat...leading to a 3 year separation from each other as they advance through the program.
 

KurtRambis4

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I'd advise

you contact a big money donor (towards academics), if you know any. Money talks.
 

RocketDawg

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Sounds like you're taking all the proper steps, but it may be something that takes much more time and energy that you have.

Just wondering .... I think you said that failing this one course would set you back a full year. I assume you're taking more than one course since you sound like a full time student. Why would repeating just one course set you back so far? Can't you continue to take a full load of other courses? Or is this course prerequisite to following courses, and only offered once a year. Seems like a huge impact for just one course.
 

drt7891

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So it sounds like the only fail-safe in the system was the undergraduate review council, who probably doesn't read the things anyway, and now there is no contingency to fall back on if a syllabus that violates policy is still approved.

The syllabus is highly unfair, anyway... Why even have grades throughout the semester if everything rides on the final, anyway (stated reasoning from the professor being "no one takes it seriously... That's no excuse). Keep plugging away.
 

futaba.79

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sharing all this on the sixpack...........

sure seems like a bad idea, to me at least. Not only are you revealing stuff about yourself, I now know the newlywed's sad story. I found the first thread interesting though and I empathize with you.
 

AHSDawg

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Going to tell you from my own personal experience. The University will not have to make sense. They are very much under the impression that they are above being sued. They feel that they are able to dictate how they feel without repercussion.

I had a situation where the facts were documented in emails, I took it all the way to the Provost and they stuck with their opinion that even though it was their computer system that made the error, it was my fault for not taking it upon myself to inform them of their error (even though I could not be sure it was an error and not just the way it was supposed to be). And, it is my responsibility to pay them back.

They do not have much real world logic on that campus.
 
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I have read everything you have posted about this, and it sounds like the university is trying awfully hard to 17 you and some other students for absolutely no good reason at all. Why don't you get together with the other 3 students and see if they will agree to split a lawyer with you? A lawyer ought to be able to determine whether or not yall have a legal case pretty quickly.....and if you do, you can bet your *** that the university will fold in a hurry. It is complete ******** for them to try to use a technicality that doesn't even mesh with university policy to make you repeat a full year of that program when you earned a passing grade in the class.
 

Shamoan

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in my circumstance, that is how our courses are offered. think of it as a bus that comes around once a year. if you dont make that bus or if you fall off the bus, you have to wait an entire year to get to where you were originally going.

additionally, there are 2 campuses involved. if i finish this year, i move to an entirely different campus to finish the program, if not, I start this step all over again.
 

Shamoan

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about the newlywed, his story was shared to illustrate the destruction this policy has caused on people's lives outside of my own story.

regarding posting this for the world to see, I am truly seeking advice and any sliver of info that might be beneficial to me. That has already paid HUGE dividends, as it brought to light a policy that I was previously unaware of and one that has TREMENDOUS implications in my circumstances. specifically, without sixpack and a few of its posters, i would be looking strictly into transferring schools at great financial cost. If bringing to light this massive violation of policy comes at the cost of a censure of my respective program, it would have been worth it 1000 times over just to learn of that information. I doubt that will take place as I have tried to maintain anonymity of the university, program, administrators, professors, and myself.
 

Shamoan

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without showing my hand to administrators in my program that now read this board (or are at least aware of it and my comments on it), all options are on the table and some of what you speak is in motion. Good advice.