Upset Alert? MC 17 Loyola 12 F

Bowie50

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LA was not the LA I have seen in last few years. They lost a close, hard fought game. MC D is good. They showed this against MS and now LA. Once MC D gets really rolling then MC will be tough to beat.

QB2 has a hell of an arm but he is not Fallon. More time and reps will help. They will be fine. Fallon should be back by the end of the regular season. Noah Jones had emergency surgery Friday night. Don’t know how long he is out, but their returns should help the offense considerably. This is not an excuse and is in no way meant to diminish MC’s win. MC was without their stud RB. New scheme, new head coach, playing in Wilmette on a Saturday. Lousy refs. MC had their share of challenges and obstacles to overcome, as well. This is football. Too bad coach Doll does not share this perspective (one last shot).

This is merely a response to Bones’ comment that LA looked different, i.e. one dimensal. MC’s D tightened when they had to and their DB’s were lights out. This loss will be good for LA. Just take it out in Rice next week.
 
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QB2 has a hell of an arm but he is not Fallon. More time and reps will help. They will be fine. Fallon should be back by the end of the regular season. Noah Jones had emergency surgery Friday night. Don’t know how long he is out, but their returns should help the offense considerably. This is not an excuse and is in no way meant to diminish MC’s win. MC was without their stud RB. New scheme, new head coach, playing in Wilmette on a Saturday. Lousy refs. MC had their share of challenges and obstacles to overcome, as well. This is football. Too bad coach Doll does not share this perspective (one last shot).

This is merely a response to Bones’ comment that LA looked different, i.e. one dimensal. MC’s D tightened when they had to and their DB’s were lights out. This loss will be good for LA. Just take it out in Rice next week.
I didnt know that info. How long has QB1 been out? Hope the emergency surgery wasnt serious (I know all surgeries are serious, but some more than others).
 

Bowie50

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I didnt know that info. How long has QB1 been out? Hope the emergency surgery wasnt serious (I know all surgeries are serious, but some more than others).
QB1 went down its Q of 1st game. He took about 1/3 of the varsity snaps last year when LA would put 2nd string in. Again, the kid has a hell of an arm and is an excellent QB. Experience will help. The UToo announcers stated yesterday that Jones had his appendix taken out Friday. Jones had had tough luck health wise.
 

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QB1 went down its Q of 1st game. He took about 1/3 of the varsity snaps last year when LA would put 2nd string in. Again, the kid has a hell of an arm and is an excellent QB. Experience will help. The UToo announcers stated yesterday that Jones had his appendix taken out Friday. Jones had had tough luck health wise.


Chances are we will see them play each other again this season.
 
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QB2 has a hell of an arm but he is not Fallon. More time and reps will help. They will be fine. Fallon should be back by the end of the regular season. Noah Jones had emergency surgery Friday night. Don’t know how long he is out, but their returns should help the offense considerably. This is not an excuse and is in no way meant to diminish MC’s win. MC was without their stud RB. New scheme, new head coach, playing in Wilmette on a Saturday. Lousy refs. MC had their share of challenges and obstacles to overcome, as well. This is football. Too bad coach Doll does not share this perspective (one last shot).

This is merely a response to Bones’ comment that LA looked different, i.e. one dimensal. MC’s D tightened when they had to and their DB’s were lights out. This loss will be good for LA. Just take it out in Rice next week.
No clue LA had those injuries. Best of luck to those boys.
 

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What’s ironic is that Kieran Conjars Dad is a Loyola grad. It’s funny how time sorts things
 

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I'm assuming that this in reference to the email sent out by the administration a few weeks ago?

After seeing the new pool construction, it might be said the attitude is now one of "swim at all costs."
 
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Gents, had a funny feeling I’d get a reaction from my post. I should have been clearer. Never said Holechek was outcoached. Just stated my opinion that of the coaches in the CCL (specifically referenced the Blue) that Jordan has deeper, higher levels of football intelligence, knowledge and experiences beyond high school football. As stated I’m not taking anything away from the great high school coaches we have in IL but John and Jordan have NFL type training and experience so they should have a leg up on those that don’t. Grant it you still need players who understand the game, schemes, etc. Glenn Kozlowski did ok at North Chicago but did not have the players like the MCs and LAs of the world.

If Lynch runs the table then maybe this discussion is different in week 10.

Sorry to stir the pot gents!
Same applies for Don Beebe at AC
 

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I would’ve preferred the points early but that’s me being conservative and also believing that those two plays early on were confidence boosters for MC, if they had any doubts. To be clear on going for it on 4th down and the extra point, those decisions didn’t cost the game. Players didn’t execute or just didn’t win the battles up front.

What I’ve always loved about the coaches at LA is the supreme confidence in the players. Holecek and Vradenberg will make these same decisions 10 times out of 10. Vradenberg believes his offense can get it done. And why wouldn’t Holecek believe his defense won’t come up big if the O does turn it over on downs at the 1. They’ve consistently made calls like this for years and it’s mostly gone in our favor. That’s why I said earlier, you win some, you lose some. Holecek’s a river boat gambling genius a few years ago at Stevenson, right? Now all the sudden he’s outcoached? I wouldn’t go that far. It’s what we do. Gotta live with it.

When it counted most MC players got the job done.
 

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I would’ve preferred the points early but that’s me being conservative and also believing that those two plays early on were confidence boosters for MC, if they had any doubts. To be clear on going for it on 4th down and the extra point, those decisions didn’t cost the game. Players didn’t execute or just didn’t win the battles up front.

What I’ve always loved about the coaches at LA is the supreme confidence in the players. Holecek and Vradenberg will make these same decisions 10 times out of 10. Vradenberg believes his offense can get it done. And why wouldn’t Holecek believe his defense won’t come up big if the O does turn it over on downs at the 1. They’ve consistently made calls like this for years and it’s mostly gone in our favor. That’s why I said earlier, you win some, you lose some. Holecek’s a river boat gambling genius a few years ago at Stevenson, right? Now all the sudden he’s outcoached? I wouldn’t go that far. It’s what we do. Gotta live with it.

When it counted most MC players got the job done.

Well put LAguy
 
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IMHO the two best coaches in the state do their thing a few miles apart. Holecek and Inserra just seem to have their teams in a position to win every game. No one wins every game but MS and LA are in the mix in November every year.
 
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IMHO the two best coaches in the state do their thing a few miles apart. Holecek and Inserra just seem to have their teams in a position to win every game. No one wins every game but MS and LA are in the mix in November every year.

LWE Coach Z has done this since 2003-2004. I think he is in the discussion. East has never missed the playoffs and has won State 2 times.
 
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LWE Coach Z has done this since 2003-2004. I think he is in the discussion. East has never missed the playoffs and has won State 2 times.
No doubt . I just think MS and Loyola have had more success. He’s third?
 

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IMHO the two best coaches in the state do their thing a few miles apart. Holecek and Inserra just seem to have their teams in a position to win every game. No one wins every game but MS and LA are in the mix in November every year.

I mean no offense to anyone, but being in "the mix" in November doesn't cut it. You have to win the final game ... not just play in it.
 

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Not according to the IHSA success factor...you just need to be there a couple times every 4 years.

Since when did the IHSA become an authority for anything? They're the benchmark for mediocrity. They're the farm system for the NCAA.
 

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I would’ve preferred the points early but that’s me being conservative and also believing that those two plays early on were confidence boosters for MC, if they had any doubts. To be clear on going for it on 4th down and the extra point, those decisions didn’t cost the game. Players didn’t execute or just didn’t win the battles up front.

Players didn't execute plays that were called by the coaching staff. Given the quick first score and the time left in the game, there was no pressing need to call for a 2 pt conversion attempt 95 seconds into the game. Go for 2 pts after their final TD being 5 pts down? Absolutely. Go for 2 up by 6 pts after a minute and half has expired in the first quarter? Unnecessary. Go for the TD on 4th and goal and being up 6-0 early in Q1 instead of attempting a chip shot FG? Unnecessary. LA twice took the unnecessary risk of foregoing the easy points early in the game, and it backfired both times. True, the players didn't execute, but it's substantially more risky to try to punch the ball into the endzone against MC than it is to convert a PAT and a very short FG.

And why wouldn’t Holecek believe his defense won’t come up big if the O does turn it over on downs at the 1.

So, using that logic, let's go for 2 pts after every TD from here on out. If not, why not? Too risky? Hmmm...

Holecek’s a river boat gambling genius a few years ago at Stevenson, right? Now all the sudden he’s outcoached? I wouldn’t go that far. It’s what we do. Gotta live with it.

Apples and oranges. That was a fake punt call at Stevenson. It was great. When you line up for a 2 pt conversion, you telegraph your intent. Apples and oranges. In addition, I disagree that the situation called for going for 2 at that point of the game. Again, if you think otherwise, are you therefore going to be disappointed that we don't go for 2 pts all the time now?

Look, if I were given the choice of Holecek or Lynch to coach my high school team, or my kid, I'd pick Holecek 10 out of 10 times. Lynch has a high school coaching body of work of three whole games. Holecek is a much more proven and successful commodity, but that does not mean that he should be immune from criticism when it is deserved, and nor does it mean that it is impossible for him to be outcoached in a single game every now and then.

My opinion is that, overall, LA was outcoached on Saturday. Does that mean that Lynch outcoached Holecek? Not necessarily, but I think an argument could be made. Others in this thread think that way. Check out Edgy's Coach of the Week thread. Most posters in that thread are lobbying for Lynch.
 
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That’s not his style. He has a brilliant sense of humor.

LA will never be out-humored.

 
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LWE Coach Z has done this since 2003-2004. I think he is in the discussion. East has never missed the playoffs and has won State 2 times.
No doubt . I just think MS and Loyola have had more success. He’s third?
I’m no history buff, and I’m not interested in a history lesson, but LWE record over the last two years against these two programs is pretty dang good.
 
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