USC paying SC State

[Gamecock J]

As is the norm in these types of games, SC State will walk away with a loss and a huge chunk of money.

However, I recall SC State having significant financial and accreditation issues that resulted in SC State being absorbed into the USC system.

Am I wrong about this, are they still separate entities, or can someone explain how the two Universities are organized in a way that would make USC paying SC State make sense?

 

[18IsTheMan]

For what we're paying them, they better let our OL get some push up the middle.

 

[Piscis]

As is the norm in these types of games, SC State will walk away with a loss and a huge chunk of money.

However, I recall SC State having significant financial and accreditation issues that resulted in SC State being absorbed into the USC system.

Am I wrong about this, are they still separate entities, or can someone explain how the two Universities are organized in a way that would make USC paying SC State make sense?

I don't think they are part of the USC system. Their problems were about 10 years ago. They only have about 2600 students so playing them in football is sort of embarrassing. I don't think P4 programs should be allowed to play any school that small.

 

[HI Cock1]

Let's keep the money in state. No sense in playing an out of state patsy so the money leaves SC.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Let's keep the money in state. No sense in playing an out of state patsy so the money leaves SC.

I wish Lander had a football program.

 

[Uscg1984]

Let's keep the money in state. No sense in playing an out of state patsy so the money leaves SC.

I agree. If we're going to schedule an FCS team anyway, I think it builds some goodwill to schedule in-state teams.

 

[92Pony]

I wish Lander had a football program.

Newberry has one.

 

[Piscis]

I agree. If we're going to schedule an FCS team anyway, I think it builds some goodwill to schedule in-state teams.

I don't think P4 teams should be allowed to play FCS teams.

 

[adcoop]

If we are going to play an FCS team, may as well play an in-state one. We just played Wofford and their enrollment is smaller than SC State. Also, Wofford just lost to State last week. Personally, I think it is a good dress rehearsal for the season. Would have preferred this have been our first game instead of jumping right in against Virginia Tech. Good to get the win though.

 

[Piscis]

If we are going to play an FCS team, may as well play an in-state one. We just played Wofford and their enrollment is smaller than SC State. Also, Wofford just lost to State last week. Personally, I think it is a good dress rehearsal for the season. Would have preferred this have been our first game instead of jumping right in against Virginia Tech. Good to get the win though.

I think it is ridiculous and shameful that any SEC team would play a football game against a team from a school with enrollment less than some large high schools. This is akin to Byrnes playing a game against a middle school.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Newberry has one.

I didn't go to Newberry.

 

[adcoop]

I think it is ridiculous and shameful that any SEC team would play a football game against a team from a school with enrollment less than some large high schools. This is akin to Byrnes playing a game against a middle school.

So, was it ridiculous for us to play Wofford last year? I guess we played a pretty good middle school team last year because we were only up 21-9 against Wofford at halftime.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I think it is ridiculous and shameful that any SEC team would play a football game against a team from a school with enrollment less than some large high schools. This is akin to Byrnes playing a game against a middle school.

Presumably the smaller schools like it for the payday and the opportunity it gives their players to play on a big stage.

I just don't really see the utility of these games any longer. Why even bother bringing in a team who has essentially a 0% chance of not getting blown out?

 

[Piscis]

So, was it ridiculous for us to play Wofford last year?

Absolutely! South Carolina should be ashamed of playing a team like that. I feel the same way about playing South Carolina State, The Citadel or any small FCS school. That wins against FCS teams count towards bowl eligibility is absurd. Any coach who is bowl eligible because of wins against any FCS teams should have the pride and dignity to refuse to accept a bowl invitation.

 

[Piscis]

Presumably the smaller schools like it for the payday and the opportunity it gives their players to play on a big stage.

I just don't really see the utility of these games any longer. Why even bother bringing in a team who has essentially a 0% chance of not getting blown out?

I'm sure they like the money but I'm not sure the players like playing the game.

Now that players are paid, it is asinine to have them playing against teams that have basically 0% chance of winning.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I'm sure they like the money but I'm not sure the players like playing the game.

Now that players are paid, it is asinine to have them playing against teams that have basically 0% chance of winning.

My grandson grew up a big tiger fan and dreamed of playing on their field. He ended up at Coastal but did get to play against them on that field. He'll never forget that.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I'm sure they like the money but I'm not sure the players like playing the game.

Now that players are paid, it is asinine to have them playing against teams that have basically 0% chance of winning.

It seems cruel for a school to send their players to take an a**-beating just so they can cash a check. At best these teams can usually hope to just perform decently enough not to get vaporized. Once every few years there's an upset.

 

[adcoop]

Presumably the smaller schools like it for the payday and the opportunity it gives their players to play on a big stage.

I just don't really see the utility of these games any longer. Why even bother bringing in a team who has essentially a 0% chance of not getting blown out?

It depends on what type of team you have. I remember in the not so distant past that we paid this money out to the Citadel and lost. ....and that was with Spurrier as the coach. Had another loss against the Citadel when I was in law school in the 90s. I almost guarantee you that there will be a P4 school that will lose one of these games this year.

 

[Lawjjusc]

It depends on what type of team you have. I remember in the not so distant past that we paid this money out to the Citadel and lost. ....and that was with Spurrier as the coach. Had another loss against the Citadel when I was in law school in the 90s. I almost guarantee you that there will be a P4 school that will lose one of these games this year.

Spurrier had left, Shawn Elliot coached that game.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It depends on what type of team you have. I remember in the not so distant past that we paid this money out to the Citadel and lost. ....and that was with Spurrier as the coach. Had another loss against the Citadel when I was in law school in the 90s. I almost guarantee you that there will be a P4 school that will lose one of these games this year.

I think the Citadel loss was after Spurrier had retired/quit and was also the year we had a walk-on at QB...and not like a surprisingly good walk-on who took the league by storm. We were flat-out awful that season, in every way. A team with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, and they still only beat us by 1. That tells you what it usually takes to level the field.

Yes, I know there's usually a win for the FCS teams somewhere...rarely over a good FBS team. They usually pick off someone who is struggling, like our terrible 2015 team.. But the overall average margin of victory for FBS teams is around 30 points. They are just ridiculous games for the most part.

 

[Uscg1984]

I don't think P4 teams should be allowed to play FCS teams.

I don't necessarily disagree, hence the "If we're going to schedule an FCS team anyway . . ." part of my post.

 

[adcoop]

Spurrier had left, Shawn Elliot coached that game.

Forgot that detail, but the gist of what I was saying remains the same. Spurrier knew we were bad and got out of dodge.

 

[Uscg1984]

It seems cruel for a school to send their players to take an a**-beating just so they can cash a check. At best these teams can usually hope to just perform decently enough not to get vaporized. Once every few years there's an upset.

I'd be fine with the SEC establishing a "no FCS" rule, but I hardly think it's cruel or inhumane to pit one group of college-aged athletes against another. The former FCS players I've known generally speak fondly of the games they played against FBS teams, usually explaining the butt-whooping they took with a smile on their face.

There's also the issue of the financial viability of the FCS programs. I don't know about the veracity of the claims, but I've often heard FCS programs depend on those payouts as one of their main sources of revenue for the season.

 

[adcoop]

My grandson grew up a big tiger fan and dreamed of playing on their field. He ended up at Coastal but did get to play against them on that field. He'll never forget that.

They may not like the game when they are down 51-7 in the 4th Quarter, but most athletes believe that they were overlooked and could compete with P4 athletes. Even the ones that don't would like to see how they measure up. Good experience for FCS Kids IMO and a memory for a lifetime. I, also, don't think the SC State game and the Coastal Carolina game will be much different BTW. Coastal hasn't been the same since Chadwell left.

 

[18IsTheMan]

The talent gap between FCS and FBS and the typical outcome would be about like a high school varsity team playing a JV l team in a real game that counted. Sure the JVers would be jacked up to play the big boys and see how they stack up. But that doesn't make it sporting.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

The talent gap between FCS and FBS and the typical outcome would be about like a high school varsity team playing a JV l team in a real game that counted. Sure the JVers would be jacked up to play the big boys and see how they stack up. But that doesn't make it sporting.

No, when FCS plays FBS the players are the same age.

 

[Skuddy]

With a 9 game SEC schedule plus Clemson, who should we schedule so that it is a manly man schedule?

 

[18IsTheMan]

No, when FCS plays FBS the players are the same age.

I didn't compare ages, just talent.

 

[18IsTheMan]

With a 9 game SEC schedule plus Clemson, who should we schedule so that it is a manly man schedule?

There are PLENTY of lower tier FBS teams to choose from. You may not win 66-0, but it's still pretty much a guaranteed win.

 

[Cobie]

As is the norm in these types of games, SC State will walk away with a loss and a huge chunk of money.

However, I recall SC State having significant financial and accreditation issues that resulted in SC State being absorbed into the USC system.

Am I wrong about this, are they still separate entities, or can someone explain how the two Universities are organized in a way that would make USC paying SC State make sense?

SC State and the University of South Carolina remainn entirely separate institutions -- each with its own independent governance, accreditation, and operational structure.

There has never been any absorption or merger of SC State into the USC system. Both are public universities funded by the state of South Carolina, but they operate as distinct entities.

SC State makes about $500K for the game I believe.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

As is the norm in these types of games, SC State will walk away with a loss and a huge chunk of money.

However, I recall SC State having significant financial and accreditation issues that resulted in SC State being absorbed into the USC system.

Am I wrong about this, are they still separate entities, or can someone explain how the two Universities are organized in a way that would make USC paying SC State make sense?

In these situations, the bigger school (USC) is paying SC State an agreed amount so USC will not have to play a home and home, so the payoff is to forgo playing at their stadium, and the monies paid would be the expected revenue of the missed game.
A very simplistic explanation, but that is essentially the gist of the situation.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I didn't compare ages, just talent.

I thought you said JV. My bad.

 

[Lurker123]

In these situations, the bigger school (USC) is paying SC State an agreed amount so USC will not have to play a home and home, so the payoff is to forgo playing at their stadium, and the monies paid would be the expected revenue of the missed game.
A very simplistic explanation, but that is essentially the gist of the situation.

This is true, and I hadn't thought about that. Any P4 team will probably require a home and home.

But surely there are G5 teams that would forego their home game for money?

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

This is true, and I hadn't thought about that. Any P4 team will probably require a home and home.

But surely there are G5 teams that would forego their home game for money?

I would doubt that, only has to go back to the USC/App st series.
For a G5 to bring in a P4 is most likely the biggest game of the year, almost taking Bowl like status, and the hopes to maybe bring in Alumni/Fans from out of town.

 

[Cobie]

It seems cruel for a school to send their players to take an a**-beating just so they can cash a check. At best these teams can usually hope to just perform decently enough not to get vaporized. Once every few years there's an upset.

Wha? Athletes are athletes. I'm certain SC State players very much looking forward to taking a stab a us.

And let's be honest - we've been stabbed before and will be stabbed again.

There's also been plenty of games that made us sweat inbetween.

 

[adcoop]

I didn't compare ages, just talent.

It's not really talent. It's usually size. Most football coaches have a set height, weight, speed scale in their minds for P4. High School film is evaluated, but there is not enough time to really go into detail. Therefore, there are a lot of misses. You can see that with all the guys that move up from FCS to P4 in the transfer portal each year.

 

[Piscis]

Wha? Athletes are athletes. I'm certain SC State players very much looking forward to taking a stab a us.

And let's be honest - we've been stabbed before and will be stabbed again.

There's also been plenty of games that made us sweat inbetween.

If athletes are athletes, why does anyone put any stock in recruiting rankings?

 

[Piscis]

With a 9 game SEC schedule plus Clemson, who should we schedule so that it is a manly man schedule?

There are loads of G5 teams that would come for the payday and the competition would be better. Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, East Carolina, Southern Mississippi to name a few. None of them would expect a home and home and they are all FBS schools.

 

[The Reel Ess]

As is the norm in these types of games, SC State will walk away with a loss and a huge chunk of money.

However, I recall SC State having significant financial and accreditation issues that resulted in SC State being absorbed into the USC system.

Am I wrong about this, are they still separate entities, or can someone explain how the two Universities are organized in a way that would make USC paying SC State make sense?

I believe when OBC was here the in-state schools came to an agreement to try to keep that money in state.

 

[Cobie]

If athletes are athletes, why does anyone put any stock in recruiting rankings?

Wha? I was referring to motivation and the idea that your brother-in-arms (18IsTheBot) believes that the game is cruel for the SC State Players.

That's total nonsense. It's the opposite. They want a swipe at us.