....and Coastal just got drug by Virginia 48-7. FCS/FBS. What's the difference when you are not good.
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It's really all about depth. The smaller schools do bring in decent talent, as the transfer portal can attest, the just can't match the numbers of the big schools for all the various positions
This is not a correct statement, many G5 schools do expect a home and home, or a very lucrative payday . This is a list for just 2025 of P4 traveling to G5 to play games.
Northwestern @ Tulane
Duke @ Tulane
MIss St @ Southern Miss
UCLA @ UNLV
UNC @ Charlotte
Arkansas @ Memphis
BYU @ E. Carolina
Utah @ Wymoning
So it'll cost more to get some P4's to give up the return home game.
So, it comes back to money. We pay worthless, warm up games to save money.
Many of those G5 games would be just as worthless. For example, we played State 3 years ago and won 50-10. I predict that we will beat Coastal by a similar spread. So, the spread is somehow better just because Coastal is G5? Finally, with us going to 9 Conference games next year, there won't be much room to schedule these games when you add Clemson to the schedule. Those are 10 tests that will be pretty stiff. Think the team could stand a break or two to heal up and hone our schools in an environment with not much pressure. Gives players on our team that are buried on the depth chart a chance to play. Gives your new freshman a chance to get out there without burning a redshirt if they need it. Everything about the program can't be about the fan experience.
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Yes.
Playing a G5 team is better than playing an FCS team, regardless of what you imagine the spread will be.
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....and everything in the program can't be based on Lurker's opinion. 50-10 is 50-10 whether you beat Alabama or Charleston Southern. Finally, the Sun Belt and C-USA are nothing but glorified FCS Conferences anyway. They are loaded with former FCS teams that are just filling the spots of programs that moved to the American or ACC. Their talent base is basically the same. They just have G5 in front of their names.
And nothing in the program is based on your opinion either. Did you seriously think otherwise?
Beating Alabama 50-10 is world's apart from beating Charleston Southern 50-10. Your inability to understand that is not a surprise.
So Akron is world's apart from Wofford just because in they are in the MAC? No. Akron is terrible and we beat them 50-7 with a backup QB playing most of the game. Wofford would definitely give a program like Akron a good game. We beat the lowly FCS team (Wofford) 56-12 with our starting QB playing almost 3 quarters. When you look at the two games without bias, Wofford definitely gave us the better game. Had a receiver go well over 100 yds receiving. Hit us on a couple deep balls and had us in a game through half-time (21-9). I think you have an issue with SC State instead of FCS. That's just to cover your issue. I have been here for years. I didn't see all this whining about us playing Wofford.
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The BOTs always find a topic to beat into the ground and argue endlessly.
Is it really that important that we play a Coastal vs. an SC State?
Nope. The college football world expects you to win the game regardless and the SOS impact is marginal at best.
So all it really does is open you up to the greater chance of losing a game everyone has you winning.
Do you not read English? I said Alabama and Charleston Southern were worlds apart. What is wrong with you? Does Akron equal Alabama to you because they start with the same letter?
Playing P4 teams is better than playing G5 teams, which is better than playing FCS teams, which is better than playing highschool teams.
If you want to try and pick an exception to the general rule, knock yourself out. I dont care to repeatedly point out the obvious to you so that you can just play dumb.
I've also been here for years, and remember the "why do we waste time on these FCS teams" comments.
I don't see it that way. I see a much-needed easy win with a brutal schedule and help out an in-state school financially. Also, if you named 10 lowly schools, I and most people couldn't tell you if they were G5 or FCS. Do you get bonus points towards a bowl or playoff spot if the team is G5 as opposed to FCS?
I guess what I am saying/asking is.... does it move the needle in any meaningful way?
You might want to share your research with Mississippi State because they played at Southern Miss this past weekend. And they're gonna do it again in 2030.
Not wanting to put words in your mouth, but if youre saying (and set aside the money for now) that scheduling an FCS vs a G5 game is scheduling an easier win, then youre saying that there is in fact a difference in the two. And I am agreeing.
Then we're down to discussing if that easier win is worth playing a team with virtually no chance of winning vs playing a game against a team with almost virtually no chance of winning.
I get the easy win argument. I also get the idea of a payday for local schools. I just think it's a waste of our time. Yes, it would mean a harder schedule. But I dont get excited for any game where we are ridiculously outmanning our opponents.
Of course! It always comes back to money, and now more than ever. Occasionally, those G5 teams Piscis listed will take a fat paycheck to come to your place with no return trip to their place, but it will cost you a heck of a lot more than what SC State is going to get. For example, in 2027, Southern Miss goes to WVU for a $1.1m guarantee. It just depends on how badly we need that extra $500k - $700K. In this day and age of revenue sharing, maybe that's the difference between landing a couple of 4-star OLs vs a couple of 3-stars.
Also, it depends on who you play. Most of the strong FCS schools in the south have moved up to FBS. However, I would much rather play Charlotte (FBS) than a ND State or a Montana St. Those are well-coached FCS teams that won't beat themselves. A lot of these low level FBS teams are bad. Kennesaw State is a bad FBS team. However, with Wake Forest's coach retiring they were almost equally bad and squeaked out a 10-9 win at home. I only watched a part of this game because it was Week 1 and you will watch anybody in Week 1. FBS/FCS. Doesn't matter. Both teams are terrible. Some want to give Coastal money so bad because they are FBS. Watched some of them too. They are terrible. Had one kid make an unbelievable 1-handed catch, but took a beatdown from Virginia beyond that. To me, the lines between FBS and FCS are being blurred with all these teams moving up. Their programs are no better. They are just moving up.Of course! It always comes back to money, and now more than ever. Occasionally, those G5 teams Piscis listed will take a fat paycheck to come to your place with no return trip to their place, but it will cost you a heck of a lot more than what SC State is going to get. For example, in 2027, Southern Miss goes to WVU for a $1.1m guarantee. It just depends on how badly we need that extra $500k - $700K. In this day and age of revenue sharing, maybe that's the difference between landing a couple of 4-star OLs vs a couple of 3-stars.
It wasn't used improperly. I was about cuss your dumb aas out, but I realized that what guys like you want and erased it. Now go bot some more with 18 and Pisces and complain about the problems of the world.
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It wasn't used improperly? Lmao
You quoted me and uscg and then replied to only him. You admit you erased what you intended to type to me, but still left me partially quoted in your response.
Maybe you just dont know what "improperly" means. I mean, your reading comprehension has been really suspect in this thread.
But you have me worried. You were going to cuss? Wow. Tough guy.
Lol
It is a paid for practice during the season. We should use it to work out kinks. But it offers little else.
No, it's not, but in guys like Lurker's world an HBcU can't be paid money like that. That's their real issue here. They are just tap dancing around it with this FCS nonsense. So we should be playing a program like Charlotte. A program that's had 6 coaches in 13 years just because they are designated as FBS. Any reasonable person knows that makes no sense. I was going to tap dance around it too, but since Lurk wants to be an A**hole, I guess I will put him out there. How's that for being a one-trick pony Lurk?
What in the heck are you even talking about? Hbcu?
Holy crap! Historically Black College? You're now trying to play the race card and play victim again?
Lmao
Classic adcoop. Have to make it about race. Yep, I'd call you a one trick pony, but crying about women's sports and screwing up the quote function are other favorites of mine.
Thank you though. I didn't think you could top how ridiculous you were being, but pulling the race card is the perfect topper. You are a complete moron.
And you just quoted your own post without replying.
You can't make this stuff up. Lmao
Go look up "improperly".
You can't make this stuff up. Lmao
Go look up "improperly".
You ain't slick That's exactly what you are doing. I was going to let you ride and play along, but you got disrespectful and I find it easy to put you on out there. Nobody heard a peep out of you when we played Wofford last year. Now, it's some big issue that needs to be fixed. Now, go on to your Anti-DEI or CRT meeting. I don't know. You tell me.
Absolutely. And we should win walking away. I hate playing these games.
But, they better be focused to work out those kinks if they are going to get better. They can't be like I was this week. I was at Folly Beach Tuesday, Wednesday until late this afternoon. I was not focused, except to be "abreast" of my surroundings, if you know what I mean.
Absolutley priceless.
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I’ve seen reactions all over the place: 4-8 here we come 8-9 wins is possible Sellers was electric SEC will eat Sellers up Loggain’s offense looked smooth and fluid Loggain’s offense was dull and boring Basically every take possible. I didn’t see the game. Any reasonable/rational takes here.
"I agree on dropping the FCS games completely."
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The mighty tiggers open the season with Georgia Tech in Atlanta, then home against Furman, FURMAN FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!, and then have LA TECH at home before going to Wake Forest in week 4. How those inbreds can point to their record with any pride is completely beyond me.
"I agree (I don't think P5 teams should be allowed to play FCS teams and if they are allowed to, the games should not count towards bowl eligibility. ) I seem to remember many years ago that some teams did not count towards win totals when qualifying for bowls.
But I agree with the idea. It seems like the only benefit is the money that goes to the smaller school, and the fact that a return game is not required, so a home game is scheduled every year in that slot."
Most people would stop when they've made an absolute *** out of themselves like you have at this point. I bet you double down though. And probably screw up the quote function again while doing it.
Tell us all again how its that evil wacism.
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Hey guys, I have not read this whole thread. I'm too tired to do so. Say what you want to say but be nice about. There have been times I have not been. I know my faults. But, I am trying to get better. Being nice does not cost anything. It's easy. And it's real cheap. Got to go to get to bed. Got to get up real early to get to my physical therapy at 8 am.
That is focused, in a way.
I suppose that is a benefit I hadn't thought of. When I call FCS glorified practices, there is some benefit in that. We get a chance to work the kinks out without any real threat of losing. Basically another spring game, or scrimmage.
I find them dull and uninspiring and a waste of time though.
"Shutting the F up is free too. "
Before you get mad, its a line from Deadpool and Wolverine. Hysterical movie.
What you say is true, though. I consider my low threshold a failing.
Those would be the games I gave away tickets for.That is focused, in a way.
I suppose that is a benefit I hadn't thought of. When I call FCS glorified practices, there is some benefit in that. We get a chance to work the kinks out without any real threat of losing. Basically another spring game, or scrimmage.
I find them dull and uninspiring and a waste of time though.
FCS Wofford's program declined drastically when Coach Mike Ayers retired and they failed to install Wade Lang as HC...then they abandoned the option offense...they were competitive then...recall the short hair dogs taking Carolina and Clemson to the fourth quarter in games...they were able to put 22 players on the field / depth was their issue. I think their enrollment is approaching 1800-2000 students.
Yes, although I remember now another benefit. When my kids were very young, those would be the games I could go to and tailgate, then leave after a quarter or half because it wasn't competitive. (And the kids weren't up for much more than that)
Lurker is really upset about tomorrow's matchup.
We've played SC State a total of six times over our 100+ year history. (last in 2019).
Somehow, we'll get through it and move on.
This frog on the other hand....
Number of scholarships is a big difference, FCS teams get 63, FBS get 105. It is far from a level playing field.
That is 8 games out of many hundreds. Most P4/G5 matchups involve a payday for the G5 program to avoid the return game. The G5 programs generally prefer it that way. They don't see much value in bringing a P4 team to their stadium to pummel them in front of a home crowd and the G5 fans enjoy the away trip to a bigger venue.
I will say, Arkansas/Memphis isn't that outlandish. Memphis is a pretty big program and their stadium is the Liberty Bowl stadium so it isn't like Arkansas is going to be playing in front of 25,000 people.
I don't really believe that G5 prefer not to host a big name program to come to their stadium, however since the motivation is for monies received than it may be better financially to take the payoff.
Since I am not privy to these negotiations, I am making an educated guess, and would not presume that I know the definitive answer.